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Your submission at Articles for creation: Thomas Joseph Reiter (February 26)

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Star Mississippi 14:23, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Preiter4, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

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Hello Preiter4, I have restored the draft based on your request at Requests for Undeletion. I see that you are yet to respond to Star Mississippi's COI notice. See WP:DISCLOSE for details, or you can message me if you require help. Thanks. Jay 💬 14:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much, will do, this is my first time doing this, I wanted to memorialize my father with an article, but am more or less driving in the dark. I will look at that feedback and reach out if I have any questions. I’m a noobie! Thanks. Preiter4 (talk) 14:40, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you check on the COI disclosure requirements? If you are finding it hard to add the tags, I can do it on your user page. Jay 💬 09:21, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

HI Jay, thanks for the comment, Can you please do that? I'm still a noobie here. I am sourcing the wiki today and will submit after you graciously help me out. Any other advice you can give me would be appreciated. This is my first time at the rodeo here. - Pete Preiter4 (talk) 12:12, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

You continue to add inappropriate information, which I have removed again. This information, known only to you as a family member is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Please focus on what can be sourced to independent reliable sources. Star Mississippi 18:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

thanks for giving it a look, noobie here. Can to give me some pointers on the COI? I’m lost on that, I don’t know much about this obviously, thanks. Preiter4 (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

You have a COI because you want to memorialize your father. That is also against what the project is for (Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements.. You're not banned from editing about him, but it's hard to write neutrally, which is why it's not advised.

Part of the challenge you're going to face is information you want to include in tribute is not necessarily something that has been discussed in independent reliable sources. To build an article, whose goal should not be a memorial, you should start with what sources say, not what you want to include. I removed this information almost a year ago as well. Hobbies, sport fandoms, etc. are of course personally of interest to you as his son, but they're not or an encyclopedia article. He might be notable as an author, but you need information about his work, not from him, your family, or his work. Does that help? If you focus on that, it might be an article but the rest of this is best worked on elsewhere.

Does this help? Star Mississippi 18:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. But all I wanted to do is what others I know have done in the same case, or so o thought. So what do I have to do to get this approved? Any and all specific tips would be greatly appreciated so you can never hear from me again lol. Preiter4 (talk) 18:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

It is not going to be approved as is. What I would recommend is starting fresh. While Monmouth isn't independent, this article could be used for basic facts about his publications, this about his professorship, and this from the NEA for other facts. Stick to information such as that and other independent sources and resist temptation to add what you know about him. It's likely never going to work for an independent article and should be hosted elsewhere where you memorialize him. Does this help? Star Mississippi 18:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

OK I saw what you deleted, fair enough. I'll be honest, I would rather give up than start over. In your opinion, now that the personal stuff is deleted, is there no way to make this approvable now that the sources are in? I'm comparing the state of this article as it is now to other of his poet friends who have had articles published about them and it looks similar to me, but maybe I'm off. Do you think what is here is salvageable now that the personal stuff is out of it?

And thanks for your feedback, this has been a learning experience for sure, and appreciated. Preiter4 (talk) 18:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

It's not yet ready, but I think the named chair might be a pass for academic notability. I'm pinging my colleague @Randykitty who edits more frequently in areas of academics to advise on that.

If there's a reliable source for the named professorship (even the university's own website would be acceptable) then this would meet WP:NACADEMIC#5, establishing notability. Hope this helps. --Randykitty (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

How about this?

https://www.monmouth.edu/magazine/remembrance-thomas-reiter/ 2601:84:8380:3660:DD42:9B51:BB28:B1EC (talk) 16:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Randykitty

The '"Daily Register' article also has the named chair so we're good. @Preiter4I'll try to finish it this weekend. Star Mississippi 03:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd be happy to strip it down to what I think is sourceable and you can go from there. Let me know your thoughts? Don't worry about other articles. In a project this big there's a lot of maintenance needed. Star Mississippi 19:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I’d be your friend for life if you could do that for me Preiter4 (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll work on this over the next couple of days. Happy to help Star Mississippi 21:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

And I’m be indebted to you forever Preiter4 (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

There's some information I haven't been able to source independently. I'd accept this out of AfC. Do you want to re-submit @Preiter4? Star Mississippi 16:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

First off thank you SO MUCH for your help. It is very appreciated, truly.

Regarding the 3 citations needed, in order...

My ancestry coming from Alsace Lorraine is documented in the 1920 federal census, can that be cited?

Dad's dissertation on Wescott cannot be cited anywhere, I only know because that is the title of it and I have it on my desk.

Sienna College is only known because it is on his resume, I cannot find it anywhere else.

One small note, I noticed that you took out the quote from Brendan Galvin. Did you think that it is not appropriate? I was well-known for his SME-level knowledge on botany, and I have seen similar lines in other wikis. But if you think it is out of place, we can leave it out.

Again, thanks so much, I'll wait for your reply before any final-round changes before submission.

--Pete 2601:84:8380:3660:1DC1:D1FC:29D7:5AC3 (talk) 02:09, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Peter.

Ancestry and the census can't be used as they're primary sources. Is there anything in the county historical society about being a descendant of the first Reiter in the area? That might work depending on what it is. For the dissertation, did his university publish it? I can check JSTOR again, although it didn't come up. The challenge with Galvin's quote is it really needs to be well sourced since it's another person's own words. If we can find sourcing, I can re-add it. The good thing with a Wiki is it's not really final round, so if you or I find a source for say Siena College down the line, we can add it. If you're in NJ, do you have access to the local newspapers? I was only able to get the one through newspapers.com to help with the named chair, but there seem to be others about poetry festivals. Thanks for all your help as well! Star Mississippi 04:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi! In order...

Nothing that can be cited for the first settler and Alsace Lorraine, it is in ancestry and family notes and nowhere else so let's just strike those facts.

His dissertation was not published, the paper itself is the only source, so let's strike that fact as well.

I found the source of Galvin's quote about my father. It's a review he did of Dad's book PEARLY EVERLASTING in Tar River Poetry (literary magazine), Spring 2000 edition, volume unknown, p54. I have a printout of the page. But after doing some googling I see the following...

Tar River Poetry, Volume 59, Number 1, 2019 Fall

Tar River Poetry, Volume 60, Number 1, 2020 Fall

From this we can deduce that the Spring 2000 edition is Volume 59, Number 2. Would that be good enough to use as the citation for Galvin's quote?

I have nothing to use as a citation for Sienna, except his personal papers which aren't online anywhere. I wish I did. It was his very first job. None of the bios he used throughout his life mentioned that since it was his first job, it was a low-rung job, and he had many other more exciting things to talk about than that. 2601:84:8380:3660:8912:64F8:4C3C:BBAB (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

What do you think? Preiter4 (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

oh apologies @Preiter4, I missed this. Will look at it in the coming days and address per your notes. Thanks for flagging! Star Mississippi 23:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I re-added it. If you have the full title of Galvin's review, let me know?

You may click Resubmit @Preiter4 and I'll accept it. I'm also going to put a link to this discussion from the article's Talk so folks hae the background on the edits Star Mississippi 18:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

resubmitted! Preiter4 (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

All set. You can now find the article at Thomas Joseph Reiter.

If you find other information that is sourced, ping me at any time. Star Mississippi 03:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

All I have to say is, thank you so so so much! You're the best! Preiter4 (talk) 12:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help at any time, thank you for all your help on this as well. Star Mississippi 02:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Thomas Joseph Reiter has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Thomas Joseph Reiter. Thanks! Star Mississippi 14:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Thomas Joseph Reiter

Hello, Preiter4. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Thomas Joseph Reiter".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 01:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Star Mississippi 03:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)