Profywld

December 2020

Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics, from its old location at User:Profywld/sandbox/Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer – this was in my opinion pretty presumptuous and unhelpful. You moved a page out of someone's userspace, and then various automated bureaucratic processes were kicked off which ultimately deleted the draft without the author's further involvement and with all of the relevant discussion done in terms of impersonal boilerplate templates (see the later banner notices plastered in the rest of the sections of this talk page). The result is pretty unfriendly and unwelcoming to a relatively infrequent contributor. In the future maybe encourage people to move their own drafts if they want, without forcing that on them. –jacobolus (t) 15:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jacobolus: I raised this point at wt:WikiProject Articles for creation#Preferred location for drafts & G13 and was reminded by a fellow AfC reviewer that WP:G13 applies equally to drafts in userspace as it does to drafts in draftspace. Therefore given the author's lack of activity on the draft for over six months it would have been deleted by an administrator monitoring Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions which is automatically populated by a bot. They could have prevented this by making a small edit to the draft.

If you wish to discuss further, feel free to add to the discussion that I started at the link above. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer – unless someone is egregiously abusing Wikipedia, deleting people's drafts is incredibly harmful (cf. Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers), whether or not they have been edited within 6 months. The policy to automatically do so by bot/script is horribly destructive and out of step with Wikipedia's entire mission. Unless they are abusing Wikipedia, moving anything from another person's userspace to any other destination without their consent seems extremely rude. In the future, please consider just asking them instead.

Did @Profywld ever put a {{AfC submission}} template on their draft page? If not, your link says among pages in userspace, only those with that template should be deleted like this. This kind of callous automated destruction is one among many good reasons for people to never add "draft" templates or put pages in draft namespace, and frankly to distrust Wikipedia policies and their rough impersonal enforcement.

The entirety of the messages below about why this article was declined is "No independent sourcing." with no effort by the reviewer to help find sources, no further guidance, and no conversation involved. Then a bunch of automated messages were left, and then the draft was unceremoniously deleted. This kind of process is a great way to chase away potential good contributors. Instead they should have been directed to Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals, with maybe a couple of experienced editors there pinged to help them out. From the title, not otherwise knowing anything about this journal, it seems at least plausible (perhaps likely) that this subject is notable and worth having an article about. –jacobolus (t) 23:17, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

*grabs admin goggles to examine deleted edits* Yes, Profywld added the AFC submission template (in the submitted state, requesting a review) in their second edit to the page. After that, a gnome came by, then Curb Safe Charmer came by. Anyway, you seem a bit upset by this draft's deletion. Would undeleting it solve the issue? Am happy to do so if you want. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae I was at this user page because @Profywld translated a CC-BY-SA 3.0 image at Commons from German to English (and must have intended to license the translation as CC-BY-SA), but it was deleted at Commons for lack of an explicit license statement, 1 week after someone left a template message at @c:User:Profywld.

Judging from their submission history @Profywld is someone who only makes very occasional Wikipedia edits (once every few months) and doesn't seem to be super engaged with policies etc., but at a glance generally seems to be making useful contributions. I think we should be trying to welcome and encourage such contributors instead of repeatedly deleting their efforts with very limited human engagement and a lot of scary automated warning banners.

I don't know anything in particular about this draft article (and don't really personally care strongly). I just think we should try to do better at hooking newcomer / sporadic users up with experienced editors willing to help them navigate otherwise frustrating processes. –jacobolus (t) 23:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Dear all, dear @Curb Safe Charmer thank you for your attention! Well, it was my fault not to push further our page about a Diamond Open Access journal [JTCAM]. Concerning this figure that @Novem Linguae mentioned, it was a waste of time because of the CC SA license imposed by the original author, so it was again my fault trying to translate it in English. Nevertheless, this discussion motivates me to get back to the [JTCAM] article and probably find some time to run all integrations with Runge-Kutta on my own in order to provide the English page with a relevant figure. Thanks! Kind regards.

P.S. Yet, it is true, as said @Novem Linguae my contributions are very sparse and occasional, however, whenever I see any inconsistency I try to fix it. Profywld (talk) 08:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics (December 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by I dream of horses were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
• If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Profywld! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics

Hello, Profywld. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion under CSD G13. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available here.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 23:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics (May 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Randykitty was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
• If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Randykitty (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics

Hello, Profywld. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Journal of Theoretical".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics (November 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Randykitty was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Randykitty (talk) 17:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Journal of Theoretical, Computational and Applied Mechanics

Hello, Profywld. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Journal of Theoretical".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Runge-Kutta translation image was deleted at Commons

Hi Profywld, when you added File:Comparison of the Runge-Kutta methods for the differential equation (red is the exact solution).svg to Wikimedia commons, you didn't add any information about licensing. As a result it was deleted. (Wikimedia commons only hosts images with clearly stated free licenses.) If you want you could request the image be undeleted, or upload it again, but make sure that you repeat the creative commons license from the original image on the new image page. All the best, –jacobolus (t) 15:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Jacobolus, actually, I think I stated the license but it was CC SA one so, normally the translation was not allowed. The original figure was in German and without consulting with the German page on the Runge-Kutta it was of no help for the English wikipedia, so I simply translated the image. Whenever I have time, I could run this integration on my own, but now I have no time. So, if the translated version is deleted, no problem... That's a pity that the author put CC SA. Kind regards. Profywld (talk) 08:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Profywld – the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license on File:Runge-kutta.svg says that you can make and redistribute derivative works, but you need to (a) credit the original author, and (b) release any derivative work under the same license. Translation is certainly allowed. The issue here was that you apparently forgot to explicitly copy the license statement to the new image page, so the folks patrolling images without explicit license templates included came to delete it. –jacobolus (t) 14:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

You are right @Jacobolus, I've misinterpreted "SA" statement. All right, I'll try to resubmit the figure with an appropriate CC BY SA 3.0 license. Thanks a lot for your help! Profywld (talk) 15:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

@Profywld I asked for File:Comparison of the Runge-Kutta methods for the differential equation (red is the exact solution).svg to be undeleted, then edited the metadata to indicate the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license. Feel free to check over and make any other updates you would like to the metadata there. –jacobolus (t) 18:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much @Jacobolus! Meanwhile I've also submitted an undeletion request, but somehow it worked more straightforwardly with your intervention! Thanks again! Kind regards Profywld (talk) 20:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)