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Rank in MMA infoboxes

Hello! Thanks for your help with the MMA articles on Wikipedia -- we're always in need of enthusiastic and knowledgeable editors. When it comes to the "rank" section in the infobox is has always consistently been used to indicate the rank of the fighter in martial arts, like having a black belt in Karate. This is reflected in the page for the MMA infobox template which you can read here. The relevant text states "rank, current martial arts ranks and titles, eg: black belt Karate". If you think the definition of that parameter should be expanded or a new one created then the next thing to do is to bring it up for discussion at WT:MMA and achieve a consensus among your fellow MMA Wikipedia editors. If you have any questions or comments you can reach me on my talk page. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

You're absolutely right! There's specific parameter for wrestling in the template for mixer martial artists. I'm sorry, I should have double checked before doing it wrong twice. Thank you for your help. Psycho-Krillin (talk) 03:28, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

In the source you used, there's a bit about him being ranked #17 in collegiate wrestling in 2003. Not clear by whom, but if you can find out, that can go in the rank field (I assume). That says more than Division I does. Especially considering he got skunked at the championships, then retired after one season. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Or no, maybe not. It says current rank in that field description. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Sherdog

Sim, realmente eu concordo que ultimamente o Sherdog tem colocado como resultados coisas bem diferentes do que na verdade são. Von Flue choke virou Shoulder choke, a lesão no joelho do Condit foi como leg kick ao invés de knee injury... Gsfelipe94 (talk) 04:07, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

É, quando as submissões saem da norma, torna-se mais difícil identificá-las correctamente. No caso do Von Flue choke, viu-se bem ontem à noite que é uma dessas "técnicas obscuras". O Bruce Buffer anunciou a vitória dizendo apenas que tinha sido devido a submissão (mas não especificou), o Joe Rogan que é que identificou a técnica na entrevista.
Ainda que o Von Flue choke seja um tipo específico de shoulder choke (tal como o anaconda choke e o Darce choke são tipos específicos de arm triangles), se tem esse nome específico, use-se.
Ainda não tinha visto essa do Carlos Condit. "Leg kick" não faz sentido, a perna chutada nem foi a que ficou lesionada... Psycho-Krillin (talk) 16:13, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Ufc list of events

Hi you are a good editer of ufc list of events What do you think is the best name for the Kim vs. Hathaway event I think it is best called ufc Ultimate Fighter China Finale: Kim vs Hathaway Because that is its proper name and it follows with the nations finale But Gsfelipe94 keeps changing it and to top it off he sends me insulting comments Kind regards.Lukejordan02 (talk) 16:21, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I've been following your on-going "edit war" with Gsfelipe94 and i was thinking about stepping in but I hadn't had the time to do so. But here's what I think. The truth is there is no rule! The UFC keeps on changing it from finale to finale. Here are some examples:

• TUF Brazil 1 finale was UFC 147: Silva vs. Franklin II
• TUF Brazil 2 finale was UFC on Fuel TV: Nogueira vs. Werdum
• TUF Smashes finale was UFC on FX: Sotiropoulos vs. Pearson
• TUF China finale was UFC Fight Night: Kim vs. Hathaway
• TUF Nations finale was The Ultimate Fighter: Nations Finale

If you ask me, the official name should be the one the UFC uses / has used to list the event in their webpage. If the press (MMA Junkie, Sherdog, MMA Fighting, Bloody Elbow, etc) refers to an event using a (slightly) different name, that one is unofficial. Besides that, the finales for international editions of TUF (as in the ones that weren't aired in the US - TUF Brazil 1, TUF Brazil 2, TUF Smashes, TUF China) have been given "Fight Night" names. TUF Nations aired in the US so it got The Ultimate Fighter: Nations Finale. But it seems like TUF Brazil 3 final won't follow this "rule" and the name for the finale will be The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 3 Finale.

Whether we should use the main event as part of the name or not (e.g. The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil 3 Finale - dos Santos vs. Miocic), my opinion is that we shouldn't. Yet, I can't find a strong enough reason to do so.

So, to sum it up:

• TUF China finale's official name is UFC Fight Night: Kim vs. Hathaway. Unofficially it's also referred to as The Ultimate Fighter: China Finale. It follows the rule for international TUF season finales.
• TUF Nations finale's official name is The Ultimate Fighter: Nations Finale. Unofficially, it is known as UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs. Kennedy (and, event if this was the name featuring on the production notes I've been sent, it was not the name under which it was advertised to the public).Psycho-Krillin (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi thank you very much for the reply, I respect you as an editor so I'm very glad you have responded

I agree that the name of the events should be what you have listed above with the exception of The Ultimate Fighter China

because where the poster artwork for the events such as (UFC on Fuel TV: Nogueira vs. Werdum/UFC on FX: Sotiropoulos vs. Pearson & The Ultimate Fighter: Nations Finale list them names. The poster for the TUF CHINA does not but It does say The Ultimate China Finale.

Also the ultimate fighter china is not officially recognised as a fight night (at least in the numbers e.g UFC fight night 37.)

I hope I make a good point. Please reply and feel free to disagree. Lukejordan02 (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I still think that UFC.com should be the reference point for official names of events. A poster is simply a poster. There can be several different posters for the same event. Each poster can have different names for the event, depending on what market it is targeted to (e.g. for China, it's more important to mention that there are Chinese fighters in the card competing to be the first Ultimate Fighter; for the rest of the world, it's a fight night card which happens to have bouts with Chinese fighters). In the end of the day, UFC.com is surest reference for event names.Psycho-Krillin (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I understand your point but I thought that the poster art (the poster art on the wiki page) always has the official name on the event on it. That is what seems to be the case if you look at the events you mentioned above. Like if you search through the past events section of the page all the names listed match the name on the official poster.

Kind regards and thank you for being polite and not aggressive like the other guy is. Lukejordan02 (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

This official ufc page also lists TUF NATIONS As a fight night http://www.ufc.tv/archives Lukejordan02 (talk) 21:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

That's true. But...

• The text that pops out when I move the pointer over the poster mentions "The Ultimate Fighter Nations Finale".
• All UFC on Fox cards are listed as UFC Fight Nights (and the UFC calls them Fox UFC Saturdays!).

Like I said before, there is fixed ruled when naming events but my opinion is that we should follow what UFC.com says (http://www.ufc.com/event/Past_Events and http://www.ufc.com/schedule/event).Psycho-Krillin (talk) 22:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Having checked out the link I agree thank you for showing me a link rather than just stating your opinion The only one annoyance that I have is that the TUF CHINA poster doesn't say fight night like all the others do But rather just states TUF CHINA thank you for the reply and sorry for any inconvenience Kind regards Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad I was able to help ;) Psycho-Krillin (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Oleksiy Oliynyk / scarf hold headlock

Hello. The source you are quoting states "'I used a special technique tonight that paid off,' Oliynyk said. 'It was not a neck crank despite what they announced. It's actually a position that attacks the diaphragm and makes it very difficult for your opponent to breath.'" He does not call it a scarf hold. I read the two articles you linked to and nothing is mentioned in them about "attacking the diaphragm". His description seems pretty generic and not specific to any hold you are mentioning. To conclude that his hold is the same as a scarf hold requires someone knowledgeable about the subject to make that connection which is a clear violation of the Wikipedia policy against Original Research. Until you can find a reliable source that calls it a scarf hold, or whatever, our only option is to go with whatever Sherdog states. SQGibbon (talk) 16:05, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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E aí, Psycho-Krillin. Tudo bem? Regarding your update on UFC 251, they have always been considered catchweights due to one person or both not meeting the weight limit for that division. Another thing: usually all catchweights are just named like that, with no specification on "women's" catchweight or similar. At least that's the standard procedure for all events so far. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 12:13, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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I've never started a Wikipedia article about a Swedish fighter, no, if that's what you're asking. But I guess I have edited/added to articles about Swedish fighters in the past. You had any particular fighter in mind?

Infobox already sourced

Hi. Thanks for your ongoing and good editing. Please bear in mind, however, that MMA infoboxes go by Sherdog, the source at the bottom of the infobox. UFC is a primary source and not reliable, either.NEDOCHAN (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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