Purplechrain

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Thanks GPL93. I am pretty new to this world. I noticed that the list of cider companies is sorely lacking... especially in actual award winning ones. So I tried to add them to the cider company list and learned they couldn't be redlined. So I'm on a bit of a mission to get high quality cider companies listed. All of them are notable, just not huge corps. So...

... how do I make the page I did a draft and ask you to help me proof read it? :) Thanks! Purplechrain (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Your draft is submitted and so you generally will get feedback on what needs to be worked on both if its accepted or if the draft is rejected. The AfC reviewers will likely be able to give you better advice than I can, but I suggest reading some of the links above regarding creating articles as well as WP:NCORP, which is probably going to be the notability standard that you are going to have to pass by showing coverage of Haykin Family Cider by Reliable Sources. I hope I've helped out, if not just ask at Teahouse. Best, GPL93 (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 8 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,472 pending submissions waiting for review. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Haykin Family Cider

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Haykin Family Cider, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.Deb (talk) 09:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

DebI'm not advertising... there are company pages for a number of other cider companies but none of them are significant... they make mediocre cider. I like cider and follow the international competition glintcap so I planned to make pages for all the top cideries that make actual good cider instead of crummy cider. But wiki doesn't seem to care... and only rewards large companies rather than small batch companies. There are amazing cideries out there and wiki features none of them. That was what I was trying to do. Many of these cideries are quite notable... including Haykin... which won the most gold medals of any commercial cidery this year, which is why I started with them. Purplechrain (talk) 17:07, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing to stop you having another go at creating a draft. Just watch out for the things that are suggestive of promotional intent, especially anything that reads like a press release from the company. Unfortunately we don't reward quality; notability must be clearly shown. Deb (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I used other cider company pages as a template so I would fit the guidelines. It's similar to this page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Towns_Ciderhouse I fail to see the issue since I used content found in news reports about them. There's like 400 news reports about them. Tons of press. Also, building those tables were really difficult and time consuming. And it was just trashed. It's clear there's no concern to actual quality of product. And that's what I was aiming to fix by building pages for small and notable cideries. Purplechrain (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

There's a mismatch between the statement "I used other cider company pages as a template" and the perceived consequence "so I would fit the guidelines". See Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Deb (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

PS. I've been looking at your deleted content and I think I could help you get it through a review but I would need to remove a lot of it, including the tables (listing all their products was just asking for trouble). Do you want me to create a new draft for you to work on? Deb (talk) 07:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok. I mean I was looking for what was considered notable and how they were formulated as a precedent for how to structure the page so it wouldn't be considered advertising. Yes, I would appreciate that, if you can assist me so I can understand what you mean. Also, that's not all their products - that was their awards. They make 40+ unique vintage related ciders each year. Is it better to list their best in class and gold award winners then say "plus 12 silvers and 3 bronzes" or something like that? Purplechrain (talk) 20:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)