User talk:Qcne/Archives/2024/May

DW(Music Producer)

Thank you for your note. I've made adjustments to fit a neutral tone. Itme42069 (talk) 11:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Itme42069, "creating a distinctive sound that resonates with a broad audience. His music reflects the eclectic fusion of cultures he has experienced in his life, from the rhythmic beats of Mexico to the gritty trap sounds of Atlanta" is still present, which is still unsuitable for Wikipedia.

Wikipedia should only summarise what sources state about a subject. Qcne (talk) 11:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for flagging. I've made adjustments. Itme42069 (talk) 11:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I've made the requested changes. Is it good to go? Itme42069 (talk) 17:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Is this approved? Itme42069 (talk) 00:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Itme42069, it's certainly written better and is now in the review pile. To ensure acceptability, it would be good to see three sources (only three) which prove notability under WP:NMUSIC. The three sources must be independent (no interviews), secondary (not from his own label), reliable (not Reddit or Twitter), and show significant coverage (not just a passing mention). Qcne (talk) 10:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Your engagement at User talk:Lord Milner

It's past the point of being constructive. At this point let us admins handle any unblock requests. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, you're right. Qcne (talk) 15:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes it's best to let people scream into the void for a while. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

A question

Hi Qnce, I have a question: if the subject have enough popular but don’t have good sources, can it be an article or no? And I will crete a draft about Newton’s Third law, because the subject is popular, and if it become an article, I will crete drafts about the other Newton’s laws. علي العالم (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @علي العالم, I am confused as we already have an article on Newton's laws of motion. Could you explain a bit more what you mean? Qcne (talk) 17:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Newton’s laws are popular, and need to be articles, so I will create drafts for them, at first, I will create a draft about the third law. And you don’t answer my question. علي العالم (talk) 18:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@علي العالم I am really sorry, but I do not understand your question. We already have an article on Newton's laws of motion, please do not create a draft about the third law. You are free to improve on the existing article. Qcne (talk) 18:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Leevale Athletic Club - Submission of new article

Hi Qcne, May I discuss 'Leevale Athletic Club' please.

Firstly, let me bring to your attention 2 other athletic clubs in cork that already have published articles.

Raheny Shamrock Athletic Club - I would argue this has less mentions of the actual club than those I have provided for Leevale. It also has less Olympians and successful athletes.

Letterkenny Athletic club - The only links I can see to establish this is a club are links to its own website. Again I have provided more in the way of external club references and also club members who have been olympians.

I have also had the argument posed that wikipedia cannot publish articles on all clubs. This I understand, but this club is over 50 years in the making, is arguably the most successful club in Ireland (most definitely the most successful club outside of Dublin) and has boasted numerous Olympians throughout its history.

Letterkenny & Raheny regularly compete against Leevale - hence the relevance

I also see numerous US based track & field clubs - scanning these, again I see numerous mentions of notable athletes, people who have been members & coaches, but very little if anything linked to which establishes that the club even exists.

I maybe wrong, but I thought the whole idea re Wikipedia was to have an ever evolving/ upto date encyclopaedia of information. I wouldn't know the complete story of Leevale's history and success. My thought process was to have something published which would allow for others to then contribute to.

I think I need to understand (given the 2 Irish athletic clubs noted above) what is it they have that the Leevale article does not?

Regards Peter PeterO888 (talk) 15:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @PeterO888.

It's very unfortunate but Wikipedia has many tens of thousands of poor quality articles that no one has bothered to update or delete yet.

Raheny Shamrock Athletic Club and Letterkenny Athletic Club are both very poor articles which were created in 2007 and 2008, before Wikipedia had refined it's notability policies. I would not accept them if they came through the review process and have now tagged them both as possibly not being notable.

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, but instead an encyclopaedia of "notable" topics, using our special definition of notability we have developed over the last 20 years. If we had no policies on what merits an article or not we would quickly be completely overwhelmed by spam, something which seems to eventually happen to every popular website. As such we do gate keep what topics can have their own article, but because we're all volunteers and we get several hundreds of new articles a day it is a constant battle.

The core issue with your draft, then, is that you haven't proven notability through the use of your sources. Notability is not inherited, so even if the club has connections to various notable athletes that fact does not make the club inherently notable, unless you can prove notability through the use of multiple independent reliable sources that significantly cover the club. Note that sources do not have to be accessible online, just published.

I wonder if instead a better approach to take would be to add a brief section to the various Leevale athletes's Wikipedia articles explaining their connection to the club (with a reliable source, of course). This may be a lower barrier of entry.

Writing a Wikipedia article is really difficult, and I'm sorry this is a frustrating process. I hope the above helps, but do let me know if you have further questions.

Best, Qcne (talk) 15:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

HI, thanks for your reply.. It was most helpful. Quick question, can I continue to edit the Leevale article, (continue to build it) or do I need to start again?

Rgds PeterO888 (talk) 07:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@PeterO888 Absolutely you can continue to improve it. And if you think you can prove notability, do let me know and I would be happy to have another look before you submit for another review.

Drafts get deleted after three months of no activity, but you will get notified before that happens.

I'd recommend closely reading WP:NORG which will help you understand our notability guidelines.

Best, Qcne (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

InZOI draft question

Hello Qnce, thank you very much for taking the time to review my article. I had some questions about the whole "too soon" thing, and also similar games that have wikipedia articles. Currently the life sim genre has other titles that have wikipedia articles, like "Life by You" and "Paralives", that also have a similar amount of sources. Due to the fact that InZOI has information from the official Krafton website and showcase trailers, along with articles like Gamespot and and PCgamer, (which the other two game wikipedia articles use), it would be OK for the InZOI article to use too, especially when it is confirmed and sourced correctly. Many games before release already have Wikipedia articles, without offical reviews of it. I think also with a game of this size, being produced by a company of this size (also responsible for making PUBG), it isn't too soon for it to have an article. I hope my article can be reconsidered for publishing

thank you Loftt 01 (talk) 10:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Loftt 01.

We review articles on their own merit, not compared to existing Wikipedia articles. Wikipedia unfortunately has many thousands of poor quality articles that no one has gotten around to improving or removing yet.

New topics must meet our notability criteria. You prove notability by showing significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent, secondary sources.

Regarding Draft:InZOI, please find my analysis of the sources:

1. From the game's own website - so not independent.
2. This source is okay.
3. A press release, so not independent.
4. This is an average source, but GameSpot can be unreliable sometimes.
5. The publisher's Youtube, so not independent.
6. A press release, so not independent.
7. This is an okay source.
8. The publisher's Youtube, so not independent.

So you have two okay sources and one average - so you're nearly there! We typically would like to see three good sources. If you can find some more analysis/discussion/evaluation/commentary of the game from mainstream independent game journalists which are not just regurgitated press releases, it is probably ready to be accepted.

Hope that helps, Qcne (talk) 14:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Mein (TV Series)

Hey there, Hope you're doing great. I wanted to work on the mentioned draft and then submit it as per WP: Articles for creation after adding citations in it. Kindly guide me how can I submit it after doing so? Appreciate your cooperation in this matter.182.182.127.226 (talk) 14:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for adding sources. I have unrejected the draft and submitted it for review. Qcne (talk) 15:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your immediate action. Let me know if there are any other issues related to it.182.182.122.61 (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft: VTOL Vr

Hello, I noticed that you have declined my VTOL Vr submission. If you could please specify what I would need to improve to heighten my chances for getting approved, I would greatly appreciate it. Daniel the mc goat (talk) 16:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Daniel the mc goat. Basically what I said in the decline comment. Your draft currently lists the sort of information which is better suited to the game's own internal wiki, or a forum or blog or something.

Wikipedia articles should mainly paraphrase what reliable independent secondary sources state about a subject. So in VTOL VR's case it could be game journalism websites that review the game or discuss it's development. You'd then build the draft based off those sources, paraphrasing and summarising them.

You'd end up with a simple and short article that would consist of sections discussing the game development, the release, the reception, and basic information about the features. All that must be referenced from those reliable independent secondary sources. That means don't use the VTOL VR Fandom Wiki or wiki.gg, and avoid as much as possible the Bdynamic studio's website.

A useful guide to read might be WP:NVIDEOGAMES.

Hope that explains but do let me know if you have any further questions. Qcne (talk) 16:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Daniel the mc goat (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

damn

i have been caught in the act AWETheBird (talk) 17:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Please don't vandalise Wikipedia, @AWETheBird. You're wasting our time and this will lead to your account being blocked. Let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 17:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Nomination of Draft

Hello,

Last night my draft has deleted with the reason `A tag has been placed on Draft:Mojé Assefjah, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.` I think now it`s proper: The language is neutral and sources are solid, there is no promotional or advertising activity. Could you please check it again?

Best regards, Thank you so much. Ozgunbatu (talk) 08:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ozgunbatu. It was speedily deleted and is no longer accessible. If you want to create it again you can but please very carefully read WP:SPAM. Qcne (talk) 10:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Genesis gym

Hello, these are the only references available, from the business itself so I am not sure how they are unreliable, every bit of information i have provided is backed up in the references, from the company and its parent. What do you need me to do? Thank you Dh545 (talk) 13:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dh545. I am afraid in that case the Gym does not merit a Wikipedia article at this time. Only organisations that have had significant coverage in multiple published independent secondary sources are considered "notable" enough for an article on Wikipedia. Qcne (talk) 14:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I've seen hundreds of businesses small enough have there own page, there is businesses local to me that are alot less notable than this gym, which is ran all over australia, even in the list of health clubs wikipedia there is heaps of less notable gyms. I have provided credible references all from the gym itself? I can also provide references to news outlets that have covered but there is no need as the references i've provided a contain all of the info i've written. Dh545 (talk) 15:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Dh545. Unfortunately Wikipedia has millions of articles and tens of thousands of them are poor quality - as we're all volunteers no one has gotten around to deleting them or improving them. If you link me some I can take appropriate action?

As per my above message, we need independent sources - so even though the gym itself is a reliable source, it is not independent of the gym for hopefully obvious reasons.

So, if you can find three sources that each are:

- independent of each other.

- independent of the gym (not interviews with the CEO or regurgitated press releases).

- from reliable places (not random blogs or social media).

Then I will take another look. Qcne (talk) 15:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Asking for fresh eyes is always good

I usually choose a different venue, WT:AFC where there is less chance of folk piling on and you still get a decent answer. I have commented on the thread there in a manner which I hope all parties will find helpful. This has the potential to become heated, which never usually works out well for the COI editor. The discussion touches upon WP:ACADEME which you may be familiar with 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, that's an essay I have not seen before. Thanks Tim, really useful. Qcne (talk) 08:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

It may be worth considering sharing the essay with the editor who has criticised you. While they are not the direct target audience there may be mutual benefit.

I started it off, and am proud of the way others developed it, which is precisely as it should be. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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About your review of this draft

Hey Qcne! I wanted to check in on whether you intend to continue this review as it's been a week since you marked it as in review. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@TechnoSquirrel69 Ack, I don't even remember clicking that. Must have been a mistake on my end! Please unmark it for me. Qcne (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem; done. For future reference, you can find the button to mark or unmark a draft as in review by opening AFCH and clicking the double chevrons («) on the right. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

AFC

Thank you for reviewed my previous articles. There is some new article about "foreign nationals detained in Iran". Please kindly and check:

• Draft:Louis Arnaud
• Draft:Bernard Phelan
• Draft:Mehran Raoof
• Draft:Shahab Dalili
• Draft:Massud Mossaheb
• Draft:Arrest of Topher Richwhite and Bridget Thackwray
• Draft:Arrest of Stefan Johansson and Jari Hjortmar
• Draft:Template:List of Iranian refugee and immigrant athletes
• Draft:Template:Victims of Iranian protests
• Draft:Dariush Zahedi
• Draft:Arrest of Nelly Erin-Cambervelle
• Draft:Gerald F. Seib
• Draft:Robin Shahini (declined for WP:BLP1E but clearly passed WP:GNG)

Claggy (talk) 16:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Image Race Cars - refusal

Thanks for your rapid response to my first article.

Have been reading style guides, content refs, etc., and have tried hard to do as it suggests. Am not quite clear at this point what it is that contravenes the standards for this article. Are you willing/able to be any more specific please? X444COM (talk) 15:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @X444COM. A few things:

- we can't use Forums to cite content, as they are not reliable.

- please do not link to copyrighted magazine images (the ibb.co links), just write a full reference that identifies the magazine.

- and finally, please format your references properly using in-line citations. There is a tutorial at WP:INTREFVE. This will auto-generate a References list for you and ensure all your citations are properly formatted.

Let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 15:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

School for Commercial Communication

Need assistance. Not able to solve problems. In my eyes it's an interesting (historical) subject. Worth saving it. MJJdeG (talk) 21:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MJJdeG.

You need references. All information must be referenced on Wikipedia using published sources. You have a blank References section in your draft and then a bunch of External Links which are not formatted like a proper reference.

Imagine you are writing a scientific paper, do you think your current draft would be acceptable with no references and random external links?

To solve this is relatively easy: please follow the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE which uses the Visual Editor (like Microsoft Word). After every statement you need to cite, just click the Cite button to add an in-line citation.

However, it is worth noting that only notable topics merit a Wikipedia article, using our special definition of notability which you can find here. You prove notability by showing significant coverage of the topic in multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources which are then referenced using in-line citations following the above. Currently it is hard to reviewers to determine notability because of your poorly formatted references. Note: sources do not need to be online, only published. The WP:INTREFVE tutorial can help you format the references properly.

Finally, I presume from your username you are Marien de Goffau. This means you have a conflict of interest in this topic and need to be careful when writing about it. You should also declare your conflict of interest. Please see that link for guidance.

Writing a Wikipedia article from scratch is really difficult - akin to performing in an orchestra when you've never played a musical instrument before.

I hope that answers your questions, but let me know if you have any further ones.

Best, Qcne (talk) 22:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I completely agree with you and for me your answers are clear. Still, everything remains (a bit) difficult for me. I'll try to make adjustments using your directions. Please provide the necessary help and corrections. 62.45.104.189 (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I completely agree with you and for me your answers are clear. Still, everything remains a bit difficult for me. I'll try to make adjustments using your directions. Please provide the necessary help and corrections. MJJdeG (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MJJdeG, hopefully the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE will help. Qcne (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I have a source (published). Available as a JPG and not on line. How can I use that?

The available sources are in Dutch. How is that work? MJJdeG (talk) 22:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @MJJdeG.

You can't link the image directly, but it's totally fine to use an off-line non-English source. Cite it appropriately (if it's a book, cite it as a book; if it's a journal, cite it as a journal; etc). You may have to use the manual cite feature. Qcne (talk) 07:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't get the explanation about an off-line source.

How do I do that?

Used 3 references. Is that done OK? MJJdeG (talk) 15:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

References on Wikipedia can be online (accessibly via a web address) or offline (only accessible by going to a physical location such as a library). As long as you format the reference correctly so it can be identified correctly by readers, we don't mind offline sources.

Thanks for adding some more sources, I don't think it is quite there to pass WP:NSCHOOL or WP:ORG yet, however. Qcne (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I myself cannot develop further. My limits have been reached. The question is whether this stage is reasonable or should further development follow? To continue is beyond my capabilities. Then I need a helping hand from others.

In my opinion, this subject is really historically important. Was a transitional moment in the European advertising world (Netherlands Belgium France Germany). It would be a shame not to document this. MJJdeG (talk) 12:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

What is an advice? MJJdeG (talk) 21:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@MJJdeG unfortunately I just don't see this organisation meeting WP:NORG criteria, if those are the only sources you can find. Qcne (talk) 11:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Bharat Mehra draft page

Resubmitted. I am learning a lot!! Thanks @Qcne

Researcherasc (talk) 20:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey again @Researcherasc. I can't seem to access source #6, and it would be good to have a citation in the second paragraph of Education and career. Qcne (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep - I'm having the same difficulty now - I listened to whole interview a month or so ago - and so I went to Wayback Machine and here's the link: https://web.archive.org/web/20200802175719/https://digital.lib.utk.edu/collections/islandora/object/voloh:10 - I can read transcript and listen to interview as welll. UTK's Islandora must be down (I used to run these various library servers...).

As for second para I was told to remove external links - reinstate as citation?

Thanks! Researcherasc (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep! and you can add that archive.org URL to the citation. Qcne (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Both done! Thanks. Researcherasc (talk) 20:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Accepted! Please add some WP:CATEGORIES. I removed a couple of instances of peacock language too. Qcne (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@QcneDanke! Like I said I am learning a lot :). Super jazzed now. Will add categories...thanks again! Researcherasc (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is super complicated and writing a new article is a really daunting task, so well done on your first one. :) Qcne (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qcne thank you for saying that its complicated - my last edit, a mere improvement I thought to another academic's page also just before this weekend - got me dinged for copyright violation (super scary). I just wanted to give up. Forget about wikipedia and completing the Bharat Mehra page. I'm glad I persevered and got it done with your help. I need to go back to that and learn more about the 'copyright violation.' I've had a lot of my own research articles published and I used to teach intellectual property. We're allowed to quote and to be fair my mistake was I forgot to put the quotes. Oh well, that's for another day. Thanks again. Teahouse was a great tip too. I'll def be using that source again. Have a great week! Researcherasc (talk) 21:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Researcherasc Wikipedia is super strict on copyright - frankly even I (with near 30,000 edits) stays well clear! My advice is when in doubt: paraphrase. Qcne (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

On Memevietnam98

Hi, I notice that you are having a disagreement with the above user. I think your assessment of the page Draft:Spence Monroe is correct and it fails WP:SIGCOV. This is not the first time this user has dragged their feet through a very basic discussion about notability even when it has been spelled out to them, as on their talk page. I appreciate you taking the time to be polite and helpful and think you did a very good job. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 11:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Vrxces, appreciate that. Qcne (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

But don't bother wearing kids' gloves. Do not do his work for him. Do not let him push you around. If he wants a second opinion, that's his responsibility. Nerd271 (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

About Draft:Portonovo Lighthouse

Hello Qcne, I have successfully added some sources for [citation needed] - [when?] - [needs context] on the draft for your kind information. Ahamedpno (talk) 16:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I have accepted that draft now, thanks @Ahamedpno. Qcne (talk) 17:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much Qcne ❤ Ahamedpno (talk) 06:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from CSMention269 (22.05.2024)

Hi, Qcne it's CSM. I was revising the Portonovo Lighthouse's history page and I looked carefully. You helped in addressing the CIR issue and fixed the sources crisis. Just to know since I'm still a newbie in this, since you had done major edits, submitted it and accepted the draft. If I create a draft and if it pass GNG (in case of mine, NPOL articles), then can I submit it and accept the draft by myself? Or it is completely different from what you have done in the last draft I mentioned just now. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 04:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey @CSMention269!

I personally wouldn't accept my own articles via the AfC process. If I was going to create an article (which, I haven't in all my time editing Wikipedia!), I'd probably do it via AfC so that it could be reviewed by another experienced editor. But if you're pretty confident in your article writing skills and are sure the subject meets notability, you might as well create it directly in Mainspace.

With the Portonovo Lighthouse draft, the core of the draft was still the original author - I have no interest or knowledge in lighthouses - and so I just brought it up to editorial standards, submitted it on their behalf, and immediately accepted it. Qcne (talk) 07:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Got the point. Thanks for the clarification. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 10:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Abris Capital Partners

Hi - I am trying to get this page published, but the comment is that it reads too much like an advertisement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abris_Capital_Partners Could you give any guidance over which sections could be removed or edited to help with this? Spwbarton (talk) 11:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Spwbarton. The general feel of the draft is that it is telling the world what Abris Capital does. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company has to say about itself; instead we are interested in what third party independent secondary sources have to say about the company.

Basically the entire Strategy and Notable investments sections are the kind of PR words you'd see in a company profile in a trade magazine - not an encyclopaedic article.

Are you associated with Abris Capital Partners in some way? Qcne (talk) 18:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, @Spwbarton. Ah you perhaps Sam Barton? Your username makes me think you are.

This makes you a paid editor with a conflict of interest, as you are receiving financial compensation from Abris Capital to promote their organisation on Wikipedia. Please note it is prohibited from doing this without making a disclosure, you must follow the instructions at WP:COI and WP:PAID as the very next thing you do, otherwise your account will be blocked from editing. Failure to disclose is a breach of the Wikimedia Terms and Conditions.

As a marketing professional with a conflict of interest, you are perhaps going to find it very difficult to write for Abris Capital in a neutral, encyclopaedic way.

If you are determined to continue in this venture, my advice is to very carefully read WP:NPOV, WP:PEACOCK, WP:PROMOTION, and then WP:BOSS in that order.

I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have, but please be aware we expect paid editors to put in the effort to learn how to write for Wikipedia. The rest of us are, after all, volunteers. Qcne (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

CSD rationale

When nominating a problematic page for deletion, please do not use the problem in the db reason itself. The entire point of deleting PII, libelous, or minor-related content is to avoid people seeing it, and using it as the nomination rationale means that everyone knows the content without having to even read the page. If there are pages that need quiet deletion, please email the Oversight Team or one of its members. Primefac (talk) 20:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac That.. yeah, that was stupid of me. I've done Oversight a few times this month, I should have realised. sorry about that. Qcne (talk) 20:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries, these things happen. Primefac (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Rejecting a draft

I believe your rejection of Younis Tirawi was incorrect. when you rejected it looked like this. The documentation for the decline rationale you chose was "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." in the draft, the sources were generally reliable but the formatting is wrong. in the list of decline reasons in Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions, there is nothing about formatting or reference formatting. that's an issue that is fixed with normal editing not deletion or rejection. (t · c) buidhe 00:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Buidhe, I declined the draft, not rejected it. I think there's an argument to be made that under WP:BLP all biographies should strictly use the Wikipedia in-line citation style. The draft did have that to an extent, but the ILCs had been placed in manually. But perhaps it should have been a comment, not a decline? What do you think? Qcne (talk) 09:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

In this case, it was clear which content went with which source. If you look at the numbering, the author was intending to put in inline citations but didn't get it right. Also, inline citations are not required for blps except in cases where they are required for all articles. Since there is not a policy/guideline basis for decline I would make it a comment instead. (t · c) buidhe 13:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, @Buidhe. I appreciate it and will definitely take that on board going forward. Qcne (talk) 13:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Question

Thank you very much for accepting my draft, but why is the article link in red (page does not exist)? 2600:8807:A781:2E00:C4A5:3E50:C29F:E19 (talk) 16:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC) Nevermind, I see that it has been fixed. Thank you very much!

Hi IP editor, it's at Mary_Abigail. Qcne (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Stella (Trane) Jackson

Hello. You just asked where all our information came from for our biography of Stella (Trane) Jackson. All of our information came from snippets of newspaper articles that are cited on the reference page.Adsimmel (talk) 14:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @Adsimmel. The newspapers do not seem to be accessible online, so much harder to verify.

A few things:

- Does every single piece of information stated in the article really come from the newspaper clippings? Does the clipping state her education, work experience, singing experience, marriage, home life, wider family, her hobbies etc? Any information *must* be from published sources, so not family records, or unpublished diaries, or interviews with grand children, etc.

- You say "our" information, can I ask if you are somehow related to Stella or have an association with TRANE?

- The draft really is written in a completely inappropriate tone for Wikipedia, it is full of promotional language like "pursued her passion", "honed her skills", "Her contributions, passion for music, and commitment to serving others endure" < all these examples serve purely to promote Stella (and perhaps, by association, TRANE?). This is why I believe you may have some kind of conflict of interest with Stella, as I can't imagine a disinterested party writing in such a gushing way.

Let me know, Qcne (talk) 14:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying so fast. I would like to point out that I am an intern working for Trane Technologies this summer and was tasked to upload this article that had already been written by another employee. We did get all of our information from newspaper clippings or previously published public information. If necessary, I can work on editing the article to make it sound more neutral to the topic.Adsimmel (talk) 14:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Adsimmel, to be clear, you are an intern currently? If so it is mandatory you make a disclosure by following the instructions at WP:PAID. Failure to do is a breach of the Wikimedia Terms and Conditions. You also have a conflict of interest, so should also make that disclosure by following the instructions at WP:COI. Again, manadotory.

The draft does need a total re-write; you should simply be summarising / paraphrasing those sources in your own words, not making any assertations. I am also not even sure if Stella Jackson merit's an article: we would usually need to see significant coverage of Stella in multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources. Brief newspaper clippers are rarely enough, and the other two URL sources on the draft do not provide significant coverage.

Finally, please have a read of WP:BOSS.

let me know if you have any questions!

Best, Qcne (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello again. I just submitted my information for both the PAID and COI pages, and I also attempted to fix some of the promotional language. I resubmitted my draft so please let me know if there is anything else I can do.Adsimmel (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Rejection of my draft

Greetings, I wrote a draft on Siachen Base Camp (Pakistan) which as rejected just after 70 seconds.

Can you please provide me with the reason?

What changes would be required to successfully publish this page.

Awaiting response. Markhor777 (talk) 15:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)