RIVA02906

Providence neighborhoods

Riva, I noticed you put a lot of work into the Providence article and I didn't want to revert it wholesale without discussing. I would like to remove everything after and including "There are many unofficial neighborhoods in Providence", except for the East Side, and maybe the South Side. It just reads like a laundry list, and lengthens the article while decreasing readability. One thing I'm particularly proud of in bringing Providence to FA status is how short and densely packed the prose is. The only reason I leave East (and South) Sides is these are exceedingly common terms that most people are under the mistaken notion that these are actually the names of neighborhoods. The rest is just trivia.--Loodog 05:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

And what is the list of official neighborhoods above? Another laundry list? Most of those terms listed are in common use, some more common than the official neighborhood names. Do you think anybody in Providence says they live in 'South Elmwood' or that they are visiting 'Upper South Providence?'No. But they do say that of West Broadway and the Jewelry District.

Many of the official neighborhood names are undated and arbitrary. To remove all mention of places like the Jewelry District, the Armory District, and West Broadway is a disservice to wikipedia users. Its also extremely reactionary.

Oh btw:

http://www.wbna.org/ http://www.jewelrydistrict.org/

Oh, and an amusing anecdote: A google search of <Providence "south elmwood"> gets 15,600 responses. <Providence "West Broadway"> gets 70,500. This is not true of all the unofficial names of course, but my point is this: sometimes, unofficial names are used more than official ones. It is inappropriate to withhold information about them.

RIVA02906 14:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)RIVA02906

Oh, and another point, the unofficial neighborhood list includes a description of each area. The "official list" does not. Which is more reminiscent of a laundry list? RIVA02906 14:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

In an effort to reach a compromise, I ahve removed 'West Side' and 'Armory District.' Both are recognizable in Providence as 'neighborhood names,' but they are used less frequently than the other unofficcal neighborhoods I listed. RIVA02906 17:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. Though I wouldn't called the second list "unofficial" since it is recognized by the website.

In terms of a useless laundry list, we could look at where each item is used later in the article. The crime and demographics sections do use some of the "official neighborhoods", though that doesn't mean we have to list them, as we could just wikilink them.

As it appears on the page, there's too much neighborhood info. We also have the option of removing the "official" neighborhoods and keep the agglomerations. Perhaps a separate article listing "official" neighborhoods is in order here.--Loodog 18:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

A short seperate article listing the neighborhoods: the 'offical 25' and the 'unofficial'seems approrpiate. We could put the link to this article in the neighborhoods section and then put in a quick blurb about more general 'super-neighborhoods' like the East Side and South Providence. RIVA02906 19:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I've stripped it down to the superblocks only, wikilinking the rest. Also, you don't have to keep citing the same source as I noticed you did, if it's understood that a large chunk of text all comes from that same source. And please use the [[Template:Cite web]] template for refs. I had to go through quite a bit of work in standardizing the refs before they'd pass it as an FA.--Loodog 03:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, you should be advised that I have composed an article for Downtown, Providence, RI.

Yup, I saw that. Nice work.--Loodog 19:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks RIVA02906 19:45, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages

Also, please add new topics to the bottom of talk pages, and sign your posts with 4 tildas like so: ~~~~. This makes talk pages easier to follow and organize. Thanks.--Loodog 05:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks RIVA02906 17:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Neigborhood agglomerations

I took your point on the more frequently used collective neighborhood names and brought it to its logical conclusion: they are now included on the Providence neighborhoods template. I essentially copied the format of the Providence Skyscrapers template to organize the entries.--Loodog 15:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! Also, as an FYI, i have composed a new 'Upper South Providence' article and have expanded the Elmwood & Downtown article. RIVA02906 16:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Besides the Neighborhood Profiles, which derive much of their data from the 1990 census, I have also used the Providence Plan. They are a good source, used by many private and municipal agencies in the city. RIVA02906 16:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

3RR

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Blind reverts

Hi, please don't make blind reverts as you did here. If you are not happy with something use the discussion page.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 21:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

You added an overtly POV section without consensus - don't lecture me on the ethics. RIVA02906 (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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