Rabascius

Philharmonie

Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)For the Elbphi, the addition of "Hall" is good, but the German Philharmonie can just as well mean an orchestra, and we shouldn't suggest the correct translation always includes Hall (see Nordwestdeutsche Philharmonie, for example). No idea how to do that, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't think my change does suggest that Philharmonie always means concert hall. It is clear from the context ("The Elbphilharmonie (Elbe Philharmonic Hall) is a concert hall in the HafenCity quarter of Hamburg, Germany...") that it is simply a translation of the name of the subject of the article. If there were an orchestra called Elbphilharmonie (as opposed to NDR Elbphilharmonie Orchestra, which is based at the Elphi), an appropriate English translation might be "Elbe Philharmonic [Orchestra]", but this would not affect the translation of the name of the concert hall. Philharmonie can also mean philharmonic society, but, again, that is not relevant to this article, which is about a concert hall. Another point is that while the German noun Philharmonie has three different meanings (philharmonic hall, philharmonic orchestra and philharmonic society), the English adjective "philharmonic" is only used on its own (i.e. without a noun) when referring to an orchestra, for example the New York Philharmonic or, say, the Berlin Philharmonic [Orchestra] as a translation of Berliner Philharmoniker. English does not use the word "philharmonic" on its own to mean a concert hall. Even Jazz at the Philharmonic is merely an abbreviation of "Jazz at the Philharmonic Auditorium". Rabascius (talk) 16:13, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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