User talk:Ramaksoud2000/Archive 1
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Delhi Public School Noida AFC
you recently reviewed the article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Delhi Public School Noida. you said that the school is not notable enough. I would like to inform that there already are articles for the same chain of schools like Delhi Public School, R. K. Puram and Delhi Public School, Mathura Road. This information may not be notable to the world, but where I live, it is the most prestigious institution for elementary education. The page may seem incomplete, but I can assure you, that if a page this small is created, it will provide a base for more information on the topic. And after a year or so, you will definitely have a reasonably big article. And by the way, I live in an extremely well developed Urban Area right next to the capital of India.
- Your article did not have any reliable secondary sources as outlined here. Based on the sources you submitted, I can not accept your article and create it myself. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Reviewer granted
Hi Ramaksoud2000, I just wanted to let you know that I have granted the reviewer userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges. A full list of articles that have pending changes protection turned on will be at Special:StablePages.
Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, please contact me and I will remove it for you at any time.
See also:
- Wikipedia:Reviewing, the guideline on reviewing
- Wikipedia:Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes
- Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.
Feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Happy editing! ~ Amory (u • t • c) 03:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with a delete (for now) but, as explained at the AFD, the topic is credible and has plenty of available sources. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you so much for helping with my Melissa Tantaquidgeon Zobel page!!! DPWinslow (talk) 01:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC) |
AFC
Hi Ramaksoud2000, Since you were such great help to DPWinslow with the Melissa Tantaquidgeon Zobel page, I was hoping you might be able to help me with my article. I submitted my article on Trace DeMeyer, which was denied today by a user that appears to be pretty new to Wikipedia. Do you have any advice or suggestions on how to better my article so that it can be created? Thanks! Ame283 (talk) 15:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- Sure. I'd be happy to help. Looking at your article, it seems that your subject is not covered heavily in multiple independent sources as prescribed here WP:BIO and here [[1]]. A made a google search of your subject and most sources found were published by the subject. An article may not be based primarily on such sources as prescribed here [[2]]. If you can find more sources that report on the subject in depth and not briefly mention the subject, then you can make a much stronger argument for the subject's notability. Help in identifying good sources can be found here WP:IRS and here WP:VERIFY. If you have any more questions please feel free to ask me. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:06, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Proposed Deletion of Leslie Gabriel page
Hello, my recent page that I created for Leslie Gabriel has been flagged for deletion because I hadn't added my sources yet. I have since added my reliable sources but it's still telling me that the page is subject for deletion. Is there something that I am missing? How can I improve the page so that it doesn't get deleted? Washvb (talk) 18:42, 18 April 2013 (UTC)Thanks
- Hello. The sources you added seem to all be either from Wikipedia(which is not accepted as a reliable source as outlined here WP:WPNOTRS) or a self-published source. An article can't rely on self-published sources as outlined here Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Using_the_subject_as_a_self-published_source. To stop your article from being deleted, reliable third party sources that report in depth on the subject need to be introduced. Help in identifying reliable sources can be found here WP:IRS and here WP:VERIFY. If you have any questions please ask me. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:14, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Peter Taliangis Page
Ramaksoud2000 - regarding my article titled Peter Taliangis, I apologise as I had just copy and pasted from the Real Estate website for a description that I was to go back and edit later. I was writing an article that was not supposed to be (or read) like self promotion and as I am still learning the Wikipedia platform I had not yet worked out how to reference. I would like to post an article just stating who I am as a person not for promotional reason but for informative as I am a LinkedIn coach and am trying to establish and show people how to use a number of social media tools in terms of marketing and networking within an online community. It is a good tool to have along with Facebook and Twitter.
Regards
--Taliangis.peter (talk) 07:13, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. It is strongly discouraged to write an autobiography about yourself. See here. Also, you may not be notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 00:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Re the listing for wlnt-lp
My name is Richard Lynn, general manager of WLNT radio. I recently removed articles from the wiki page for WLNT. This was erroneously marked as vandalism. The estates of two deceased persons mentioned in the articles, along with our board of directors have asked me to remove all information regarding WLNT. Also, we do not wish to have WLNT listed as a low power station, while we do carry the legacy -LP designator we operate with a TPO of127 watts; by definition, any station operating with more than 100 watts is a full power class d station and not a low power fm station. We have decided to no longer make unneeded information about the station public, as much of it is out of date. 96.38.96.128 (talk) 06:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hello. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not censor our encyclopedia. Unless the content violates one of our Wikipedia:List_of_policies_and_guidelines or is not verifiable, it generally won't be removed. Can you please tell me more about why you want so much information to be removed and I can see if I can remove some of it if it is in violation of one of our guidelines and policies. Also, I can designate your station as a full power station if you can give me a source that shows that it is. Currently, I have found this source [3] that states you are 100 watts, which would count as low-power. Thanks! Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Comments Deleted for WBFZ
Greetings Ramaksoud2000, The following comment is in response to the information you extracted regarding WBFZ:
The information that you left on wikipedia is false and negative about a radio station which serves an expansive community. How you arbitrarily made the decision to delete updated information about the current status of WBFZ and allow something which is neither educational nor constructive to be left on wikipedia pages makes me question your motive. Can you please explain your decision to take off updated and accurate information which exposes the inaccuracy of a statement posed on wikipedia that is lebelous to WBFZ as a business entity which serves are large community? In fact, my question to you is why you did not delete an item that has no expressed purpose except to be destructive to WBFZ. It is unconscionable to allow information to stay on Wikipedia falsely about WBFZ when it is still operating and it is still owned by Imani Communications. So in your estimation you seem to think that it is positive to falsify the existing status of a station on Wikipedia by not updating records to reflect current status? Your action makes it appear like you are a collaborative part of sharing mis-information regarding WBFZ or you are unwittingly creating a cause of action of libel for the entity of WBFZ as exposed via wikipedia. In either case, your decision to remove the update was not founded upon sound reasoning. The problem is not with the addition to correct the falsification, the problem is with the inaccurate posting and motivation for same by the original poster in the first place. Given your response, it appears that you may not be aware that you are perpetuating a negative problem which has fiscal impact on a 50,000 watt radio station that broadcasts worldwide though Ipads, ipods, cell phones, computers etc. I encourage you to rethink your position on what constitutes negative. Furthermore, what qualification justifies your unilateral and arbitrary decision to delete this action. I await your response and reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WBFZ 105.3 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Miscellanies Article
Hi Ramaksoud2000,
I understand your concern at the existence of a previous article on the Anthology, in considering my article on Miscellanies. I was already aware of the Anthology article, and do refer to anthologies in my Miscellany article, in order to better explain the difference between them; but it is probably the case that I should state this difference in the article lead. Indeed, you are right that the basic definition of anthologies and miscellanies is very similar and might be confused. To avoid this I have briefly explained the historical and aesthetic differences between anthologies and miscellanies in the article lead, and of course backed this up with secondary sources. I have included an internal section link (Succession of anthologies) to later in the article where I further discuss recent criticism arguing for the distinction between anthologies and miscellanies. I also direct attention to the section "Significance and recognition", where I quote Michael Suarez:
- The miscellany, then, typically celebrates – and indeed constructs – taste, novelty and contemporaneity in assembling a synchronous body of material. It should be distinguished from the anthology, which honours – and perpetuates – the value of historicity and the perdurance of established canons of artistic discrimination in gathering texts recognized for their aesthetic legitimacy.
Not only are miscellanies considered different from anthologies, but there is a growing body of literary criticism attending to their importance. The study of eighteenth-century miscellanies is at a real turning-point, particularly with the anticipated launch of a free online database (The Digital Miscellanies Index) later this year. I think a separate miscellanies article is justified in terms of notability and distinctiveness of the subject, and it will be very useful to anyone wanting to know more about the unappreciated but phenomenal output of miscellanies in the eighteenth century (over 1000 were published in that century alone). I have tried to include a range of quite specific information about the growth and decline of miscellanies, and have repeatedly referred to how they were succeeded by anthologies. I have made changes to the article lead, therefore, to make it more clear why miscellanies are different from anthologies. I realise that this is crucial to the article now, and hope I have rectified the confusion. Can you let me know what you think and, also, since this is my first wikipedia article, how else I might improve my contributions?
Many thanks,
BridgenAJ (talk) 10:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I am waiting for Miscellanies to be deleted so that I can accept your article. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 21:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, most appreciated. BridgenAJ (talk) 08:33, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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For your nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Farrell (artist). Bearian (talk) 17:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC) |
Jesse Mosher
Thanks for reviewing the work-in-progress article, you suggested more sources, which parts need additional sourcing? We have magazine and newspaper sources as well as the grand opening of the Jack Kerouac museum for which Jesse did the permanent artwork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deedrey (talk • contribs) 17:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Please see WP:IRS to see which sources are considered reliable. I suggested reliable sources. Your article lacks reliable sources. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 20:14, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Regarding 'vandalism' block
I noticed that an editor, with the user name ENRYCH, has been blocked from editing because he added the information to Graeme Garden's page that Graeme is a patron of ENRYCH. I checked out the ENRYCH website and discovered that Graeme Garden is, in actual fact, a patron of ENRYCH and has been patron since 2010.
Because of what I discovered, I have reverted back to user ENRYCH's comment about this, on Graeme Garden's page, and have added a reference regarding it. Figaro (talk) 12:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- The block was not for vandalism. It was for having a promotional username. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 15:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I did not know. All the best. Figaro (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Listening should have my article not deleted cuz it's about some one i like plzz let it gi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.224.162 (talk) 20:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Could you please clarify what you are saying? Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 20:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
unsinged user
That does not matter, it will be deleted if its bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themacman4me (talk • contribs) 21:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- This does not address what I told you. Administrators may be misled to believe that the deletion is contested. Also, if you need to provide a rationale for your speedy deletion outside of the rationale provided automatically by the templates and criteria here then it may not meet these strictly defined criteria. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 22:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Jim Fox (Lion and Fox Recording Studios)
Greetings: I am just seeking clarification on what I need to change in order for this article to be acceptable. Any guidance would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midnightraverblog (talk • contribs) 01:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. The subject of your article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline and the notability guideline for people. To prove your subject's notability, you must cite some reliable sources. If you have any questions, please ask. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Can you Help
With my articles I made and/or be my wikipedia mentor :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC12345 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Sure! What do you need help with? I'm about to place a template with lots of helpful links. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 20:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Like a mentor and help with the articles I made :) like tinkerbella nana and teach me the in's and out's of wikipedia :)
- Sure. First thing, remember to end all your comments to other users with four tildes
~~~~
and that produces your signature, which would be something like this: Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC) . Also, your article looks like a good stub stub. I'll be improving your articles with suggestions. Also, looking at your edits. I see for this user, User:ShaazHusainkhan, you mistook their user page as their user talk page. To communicate with other edits, leave a note on their talk page, not their user page. If you are interested in insects, see Portal:Insects and WP:WikiProject Insects. Also, be sure to look through the links I left you on your talk page. Anymore questions, just ask. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)- can you adopt me :D JC (talk) 23:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)and thanks for the info :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC12345 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC) and help expand the articles I made :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC12345 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not really a good teacher, whoever there is a whole group of users dedicated to adopting people that can be found here. I will help to improve your articles. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- can you adopt me :D JC (talk) 23:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)and thanks for the info :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC12345 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC) and help expand the articles I made :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JC12345 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- Sure. First thing, remember to end all your comments to other users with four tildes
- Like a mentor and help with the articles I made :) like tinkerbella nana and teach me the in's and out's of wikipedia :)
Thank you for your warm welcome! <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrian only (talk • contribs) 23:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Conscious Leadership
Response TO Ramaksoud200 regarding Conscious Leadership • I authored this, and have NO knowledge of previous submissions for this term. I am a professor at Pepperdine University, and I assure you that the source "Conscious Capitalism" is not self published...it's from Harvard Business Press, is a Wallstreet Journal Bestseller, in currently in the top 3 of three Amazon business book lists and in the top 1100 of ALL Amazon book sales. My effort was to clear up the misunderstandings of the difference of CSR, Conscious Capitalism, Conscious Businesses, and Conscious Leadership. I thought if it's good enough for Stanford, Harvard, Wharton, and yes, Pepperdine, and a term being used by media such as NY Times, Forbes, and NPR, others might be interested, too. OBillyHill (talk) 00:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have reconsidered your article and moved into the mainspace. The reason for the previous decline was that most of your sources were self-published, amazon, or youtube. These aren't considered reliable sources. Anyways, I have accepted your article. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reconsideration. As I am researching this, I will improve sourcing wherever and whenever possible. 71.133.70.233 (talk) 15:22, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
doh
Heya there, this is about the file request I made that you fulfilled a bit ago (File:USAF Pararescueman PJ Colon-Lopez in Afghanistan in 2004.jpg) "Pararescueman" and "PJ" are synonymous, PJ is the acronym for Pararescuemen, would you be opposed to removing one or the other from the filename? :3 Thanks for the move, — -dainomite 05:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Done Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- thank you! — -dainomite 15:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Bear Gryllis edit request
Can you believe it? I did a slight modification on the article text regarding Bear's consideration of joining the Indian Army. I was about to post an answer on the talk page re the edit request, when I got an edit conflict!. My first thought was "WTF?!" Not that I'm gripping, I just had to mention to you, the instigator of the EC, that it had happened! Happy editing. – S. Rich (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Send friend request on Facebook.
Hi! Want to talk with you. Send friend request on Facebook by following this link: http://www.facebook.com/Dushason
Hope so, you send friend request. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dushason (talk • contribs) 16:23, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. I'd prefer you talk to me here. If it is something confidential, you can email me. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 16:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Linkrot
You can't change old revisions of articles that still link to the old images; for example, had I deleted File:MPMK audio CD cover.jpg, this revision of Moondru Per Moondru Kadal would have its file link broken. Meanwhile, it's never appropriate to use G6 for purposes specifically excluded from other criteria, and the deletion of redirects created by pagemoves is specifically excluded by R3, recently created redirects. Nyttend (talk) 02:42, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
We're All for the Hall
I saw your removal of the A7 CSD I placed, I have added the {{under construction}} template to the page to avoid someone else tagging for CSD again. Feel free to remove the template when you are done --Cameron11598 (Converse) 05:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Be more careful when accepting changes
This change should not have been accepted, per MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Notifications box replacement prototypes released
Hey Ramaksoud2000; Kaldari has finished scripting a set of potential replacements available to test and give feedback on. Please go to this thread for more detail on how to enable them. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:00, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Removing AfD template
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I am at a loss at my article .. please help me :(
please help me improve my article ... i am really at a loss ... please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brydenbusran (talk • contribs) 01:52, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Which article are you referring to? Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:33, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
-> this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ioannis_Anastassakis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brydenbusran (talk • contribs) 12:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- The subject of your article does not appear to meet the general notability guideline or the muscician notability guideline. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Jacob Allan
Hi,
Just wanted to know why you want to delete the page: Jacob Allan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeallan76 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Because I don't personally think it meets Wikipedia's notability guideline for people because I could not find any reliable sources for this person. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Friendly question about revert of being reviewed banner on Majolica Building
Hi there, Just wondered why you took down my 'article being reviewed banner', which is a pretty standard thing that editors do when they want to review a page but need a bit of time to work through the material and check it. In your explanation you said that you set it to being reviewed over eight hours previously. I certainly didn't see the green banner there when I took this page on and certainly wouldn't have reverted your banner and placed my own there! I was rather looking forward to working on the page as I've previously reviewed a page by the architect who designed the building. I'd happily hand it over to you to review, nonetheless, but you don't appear to have a banner on it now, so do let me know if you plan to review it because, if not, I'd very much like to continue with the review as planned and place the under review banner back up there. Many thanks Libby norman (talk) 07:56, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, of course. I thought you had forgot about it because it was so long ago. I just wanted to put it back into the system in case you forgot it. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:22, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I only put it under review on the 8th – I must be a bit slower as a reviewer than you! Cheers. Libby norman (talk) 13:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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edit made to Vilayat Inayat Khan article under students
I'm new to trying to edit Wikipedia, so I apologize for any mistakes I may have previously made. I previously have been listed for several years as one of the students under the listing for Vilayat Inayat Khan. In my initial edit today, I tried to add two self-published books, but I now understand self-published books are not to be listed. I deleted these, as well as deleting a link to a website describing work stemming from Pir Vilayat's teachings. I corrected the previously listed title of my published book to include the full title, as well as adding the publisher and date of publication. I hope that these are acceptable edits to the original listing. I meant to add a signature to my edit, but I wasn't sure how to do this (e.g., where to insert Drdonw 23:33, 9 May 2013 (UTC)). Please let me know if I've gotten the edit correct this time. The book I include after my name has an extensive foreword by Pir Vilayat. Thank you. Drdonw 23:33, 9 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drdonw (talk • contribs)
- To sign your comments put four tildes at the end like this
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. I suggest you stay away from the article about yourself to avoid any problems and discuss issues you find on the article on the talk page or with other editors. The edits you have described to me seem fine(removing your books and adding little details), however I'm unfamiliar with your article and you. It may be best to take it up with the editor you had a dispute with here. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 17:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)- Hi Ramaksoud2000, the edits to which Drdonw refers are unacceptable, and were reverted multiple times by me and then by an administrator--I'm not sure why he consulted you, but he ignored all suggestions and warnings I left at his talk page. The controversial edits were persistent re-postings of non-notable persons, as well as mention of himself and his books. None of the edits were sourced. Anyway, I explained all of this at the user's talk page, but wanted to bring you up to speed as well. Cheers, 99.136.252.252 (talk) 18:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Sockpuppet/Block Tagging
I decided it was more convenient to just reply here than at my talk. Anywho, thanks for letting me know. I'm glad you assumed good faith there. Thanks and while it is not a big deal, it is not a mistake I'll do again. Next time, I'll just ask the blocking admin to put the block tag on talkpage (sock or not, but no sock block). Thanks. World Traveller101 21:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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For assuming good faith towards me. We all mess up, but I mess up a ton. Well anyway, cheers! World Traveller101 22:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Vela Whisper
What can I do to further improve the Vela Whisper - The Trial page? I am new to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velawhisper (talk • contribs) 19:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
- The concern is notability. It appears to not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline or the guideline for albums. Notability can be proven by adding multiple reliable sources to an article. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 19:31, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Do you just go through and disaprove edits
? Do you get paid by Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaTreezz (talk • contribs) 03:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I take it you don't have a life
Go away :) and I will leave you alone as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaTreezz (talk • contribs) 04:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
You Are A Complete Idiot
I didn't create this account just for promotion, thought I could actually start editing wikipedia articles since I find so many that are complete useless when I do google searches. But thanks for being a complete idiot. The only warning I should be getting is for personal attacks against your stupidity. You pissed me off and now its gonna suck for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshuaTreezz (talk • contribs) 04:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
about deltion
i am agree with you, that assamese poem/articale sumit by me at my english wiki page is not rulls. pls. delete that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kandarpajit Kallol (talk • contribs) 07:37, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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Ingrid Rossellini
Ramaksoud2000, thanks for your intervention in the redirect of Ingrid Rossellini to Ingrid Bergman. It completely defeats the purpose of an encyclopedia but I am sure that this is not the first time anyone has insinuated that your intrusive style is more destructive than constructive. If we did this for other entries in the encyclopedia no one would create articles and we would have a series of interwoven links leading nowhere... But as in the case of an open encyclopedia anyone can contribute whether they are capable or not of adding anything to the conversation. Thanks again... Stevenmitchell (talk) 02:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- Calm down and explain? I was at Special:Shortpages when I saw that you blanked a redirect that had been placed because an editor thought that it didn't meet the notability guideline. You blanked the page citing that the subject was the daughter of the target, not the target. Well, we can't have blank pages, and I felt the redirect was appropriate, so I put the redirect back. What do you think happened that has gotten you so riled up? Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
post about Carrie Spinney Grover
Hello - sorry, but I don't know how to respond directly on the sandbox page to your comments on my post about Carrie Spinney Grover, so I am writing them here. Would you be willing to suggest ideas as to how I could page this post conform to Wikipedia standards? I understand the issue is related to not being able to justify the importance of the person. My family has noted that: She wrote a book "Heritage of Songs" which has drawn interest from a large number of folk musicians over the past 60 years, and many of these songs have subsequently been recorded by them. A folk musician is currently writing a book about Mrs Grover's book (I wouldn't add this to the post until the book is published). She has recordings in the Library of Congress.
I thought that this would be a source of information for people who discover the book and/or her name credited in other recordings by more current musicians. My father and I are contacted occasionally by people who are interested in either recording some of the songs she passed on or by radio disk jockeys who ask permission to play the songs on the radio (most recent was a DJ who lived in Slovenia working for Radio Europe!).
Anyway, if that doesn't qualify I can accept it, I was just wondering if there was just a different approach I should be taking here.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forcarrie (talk • contribs) 03:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. I'd love to help. The standards for notability are detailed at WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Currently the only source I can find online(but it doesn't have to be an online source) is the library of congress notice. I personally feel that this does not meet the criteria because it doesn't report on the subject, merely collecting the subject's work, and classifies as a primary source. Others may disagree. If you have any sources, please add them to the article. Instructions can be found here. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
excuse me i like to ask .. i open a page for yourself . are this legaly ore not ?? you write me !!
15joonp (talk) AfD for Sota Fujimori
Hello, I'm the editor of article Sota Fujimori. I'm sorry for creating short stub page that have no meanings. I guess AfD of Sota Fujimori is because of same kind of reason. However, I putted all the information and finished my project. It is already over 20000 bytes, and it have the most information among all BEMANI artists. Since it is my project for school Computer Technology class, can you call off the AfD of this page? Please watch this page again, and decide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15joonp (talk • contribs) 03:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. The concern was and is notability, not length. The relevant guidelines can be found at WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Also, I couldn't "call off" the AfD even if I wanted to, because other editors have expressed opinions for deletion. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- Ok, When this AfD discussion ends? Is it just disappear when this issue blows over? The WP:AfD page says it only goes 7 days normally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15joonp (talk • contribs) 11:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- After 7 days, an administrator decides whether or not to delete the page. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 11:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- But it haven't deleted for this AfD. I checked template, but only left AfD nominated on May 5 is this article alone. I think it is time to decide. I am waiting permission to keep or delete that contributed in this AfD. When people admit to keep, can you just finish this article's AfD as 'No consensus' or 'SpeedKeep', and I will add 'Need Notability' box in the article. 15joonp (talk) 12:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- After 7 days, an administrator decides whether or not to delete the page. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 11:55, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
David McMurray
Hi, there is no David McMurray in the whole article. - There was a blue link for a David McMurray (who happens to play saxophone) in an article I worked on (Faruq Z. Bey), and this leads to that... And I didn't see you coming ;) MenkinAlRire 01:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MenkinAlRire (talk • contribs)
- But he is one of the writers at the paper. If you want to delete the redirect, follow the process at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. We cannot have blank pages. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
1.Thank you very much for renaming it!
2.I will have to bother you one more time; please rename it again due to the typo I had missed, i.e the missing h (see below); my bad , mea culpa, I apologise.
It should read Samothrace, Greece, wind turbines.jpg.
Thanx!
P.S. Don't bother renaming the link at my userpage; once you've renamed the image, I'll do it myself.
Thanatos|talk 23:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Done Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, you're great!! :) Thanatos|talk 00:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar | |
Thanks for helping out the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jonathan Yip. This is the last step to a long, hard process. Your edits are greatly appreciated. Thanks. WorldTraveller101(Trouble?/My Work) 00:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC) |
External Link objection
I replied on my talk page, but I am not sure if you will see it there. Sorry for the duplication. Regarding my external link on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparent_Data_Encryption
I believe that it constitutes valid information for SQL Server TDE users. However, if this is unaacceptable, please explain why the following third-party external links are acceptable:
- SafeNet Hardware Security Solutions for Microsoft SQL Server 2008 (pdf) (SafeNet, Inc.)
- Integration Guide: Oracle Database 11g TDE (Thales)
- TDE with PCI
Thanks. Neil Weicher (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing those links to my attention and replying here. I have removed those links. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 20:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
One more third party link (which is also a dead link):
Neil Weicher (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Next time, you can remove it yourself if you want. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 14:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Email from User:Abdicate
"Explain to me how it is a conflict of interest if a free service is provided on a site?" --User:Abdicate
- The service does not need to be paid to be considered advertising. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 22:50, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Mispelled small cap redirects?
Latest revision as of 05:45, 26 May 2013 (edit) (undo) Ramaksoud2000 (talk | contribs) (Redirects are there for a reason.)
- Hi Can you please explain to me the reason for a redirect Lloyd laing with a small l? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:47, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Redirects are generally kept unless it is completely implausible or is harmful. Also, it has multiple incoming links as seen here from various maintenance logs. See WP:Redirects#CRD. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 05:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Those links will evaporate in a few hours won't they. It could be harmful if someone is looking for Lloyd Laing the archaeologist. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- They won't evaporate. Also, since it appears there is no primary topic, Lloyd Laing should be a disambiguation page, and the lowercase redirect should redirect to the disambiguation page. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 06:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Understood, thanks for the explanation. In that case happy to leave as is redirecting to the Jamaica BLP, since there's now history of Lloyd laing relating to a Prod notice on the BLP (I removed it after finding a source), wheras it is extremely unlikely that anyone looking for the Celtic ceramics professor (who is WP:PRIMARY in Google Books and Google Scholar at least) will mispell his name. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- They won't evaporate. Also, since it appears there is no primary topic, Lloyd Laing should be a disambiguation page, and the lowercase redirect should redirect to the disambiguation page. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 06:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I have deleted the article. However, I don't think it's appropriate to mark the article as a copyright violation; the Wikipedia license explicitly allows copying of the content, and any attribution issues could have been easily resolved by mentioning the source on the article talk page. (The criterion A10 fits this case better.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 06:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ramaksoud2000! Article has been restarted under that title. I understood what it was about, but then again I really should add a "This user understand [sic] a professional level of very bad English" infobox to my userpage. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Memorial Day
JackFrost2121(Frostbitten?/ My Work) is wishing you a Happy Memorial Day! On this day, we recognize our fellow countrymen who have fought our nation's battles for the past several hundred years, protecting our freedom and safety. We remember those who paid the ultimate price and we support those who continue to willingly sacrifice their safety for the sake of their country. Happy Memorial Day!
Share this message by adding {{subst:Memorial Day}} to a fellow American's talk page.
- Not sure if you are American or not but anyways. JackFrost2121(Frostbitten?/ My Work) 02:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I am responding to you comment regarding the GigE Vision article. What I do not understand is why I am being called disruptive when it was not me but another user (Vswitchs) who recently inserted the paragraph in question into the article. After I removed some of his changes, he did not attempt to readd them, so there was no dispute there. Also if everybody has an equal right to edit articles, why my additions are getting deleted? For example, I added a remark that the AIA owns the standard (not just maintains it), but it was immediatelly removed by NorthBySouth. Finally, before contacting the Designated Agent, should I not try to resolve the dispute on the talk page? I do have some suggestion on how to handle this without removing the references to the products in question, but NorthBySouth does not seem to be interested in any discussion. Can I run some talking points with you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 03:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- You may, however, if this is for legal reasons, and you are the copyright owner, please contact the designated agent. If you are not the copyright holder, you may contact info-en-c wikimedia.org if you wish. What would you like to discuss and what is your side of the story? Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am not a copyright holder, but an AIA member, and every year I have to pay AIA a substantial licensing fee for using their standard in my products. The creators of the software in question refuse to do it. They are located outside of the US, and AIA does not have legal resources to go after them (other than giving them multiple warnings). The fact that they are now using Wikipedia as a free advertisement space makes this situation grossly unfair.
- I once tried to publish a link to one of our product on another Wikipedia page, but it was removed as being non-compliant with the “non-advertising” policy of Wikipedia. So my question is: why should not the same policy be applied to these products, especially considering the controversy that surrounds them? There are dozens of legitimate GigE Vision based hardware and software products (some of which are free), but none of them are mentioned in this article. It is a technical article and it should not be used to advertise anybody’s products or services. Do you think this argument (rather than a legal one) can be used to remove that paragraph?
- If not, how about the following option. We keep the paragraph in question in the article, but add a sentence stating that AIA treats those products as violating AIA’s trademark and intellectual property and advices companies and institutions not to use them. Notice that such a statement will not label these products as illegal – it will only indicate the position of the AIA towards them. If needed, I can obtain a statement from the AIA confirming this. Let me know what you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 05:24, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. First off, please read our conflict of interest policy. Second, could you please link to the edit you made inserting your product? Third, I have thoroughly reviewed this, and while these products are illegal, they do not fall under WP:LINKVIO. See the applicable court case at Bowers v. Baystate Technologies and the court decision text here. They are not illegal under copyright law as evidenced at Reverse-engineering#United_States. However, they are illegal because they violate the contract entered with AIA. WP:LINKVIO deals purely with copyright. Also, it would not be illegal for a user to use those products, it would only be illegal for the owner of those products to distribute and reverse-engineer them, apart from copyright. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 22:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking into this. I read the conflict-of-interest policy. Among other things it says: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vanity press, or forum for advertising or self-promotion". This is why I think no products should be advertised in a purely technical article. Two of those three projects are not even real. Just follow the links and you will see that the first one is nothing but an empty page, and the second one is an unfinished attempt to create a product. Whoever inserted this paragraph, referenced two other products as a distraction. The real goal was to promote the third one.
- I do not think that the case you cited applies here. This is not about copying ideas, but about using specific standard, certain numerical values, decoding algorithms etc. A proper analogy would be designing an illegal satellite decoder for receiving a commercial programming. Building the decoder (= software product) can be legal, but decoding an encrypted commercial signal (= video from GigE Vision cameras) is not legal. As for the reverse-engineering, keep in mind that this is just an excuse used by the creator to deflect the AIA’s claims. The standard is available for free, and nobody needs to use reverse-engineering for creating a compliant product. All the AIA requires is payment of the licensing fee once the product goes to distribution. It may be legal for a user to use illegal products internally, but if the user starts distributing their own product (built by using illegal components), their product will become illegal too as it will be not covered by the AIA license.
- In any case, if you agree that these products are illegal or at least carry some legal controversies, why should they be the ones advertised in this technical article? If we go this road, then we might as well include dozens of legitimate software products plus even more hardware products. Don’t you think that I was doing the right thing when I was trying to remove that insertion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 06:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have removed the paragraph solely because I felt it was unnecessary and a tad on the advertising side, not because of any legal concerns. I would not be opposed to another user re-inserting it as long as they give valid reasons why it should be included. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 16:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, I agree with your decision. However the paragraph was put back right away by BentelyCoon, and he did not provide any explanation. Looking at the history, he must be the one who inserted this paragraph in the first place (look at the modifications done on March 30 and Apr 11). Could you please ask him to explain his actions. This is a clear promotion of the Aravis software. It even contains a reference to a paper that mentions its use. How is it relevant? There are dozens of scientific and industrial publications that describe utilization of various GigE Vision products, but they have nothing to do with the context of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 23:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have contacted the editor in question to take a look here and chime in. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:56, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I did not originally add the paragraph to the article; however, I feel it is a valuable part of the article and should remain, at least until a consensus is formed as to whether it's "illegal" or not. --Leigh Hamilton 23:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- As you can see from our discussion above, while the question of legality of those products still remains (copyright vs license violation), the main point is that this is an advertisment of one specific product out of dozens GigE Vision products out there. Can we agree on this point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 04:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- Also please try to go to the first product mentioned there and find anything there. It is nothing but an empty page. So what value is in it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 04:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
- I did not originally add the paragraph to the article; however, I feel it is a valuable part of the article and should remain, at least until a consensus is formed as to whether it's "illegal" or not. --Leigh Hamilton 23:59, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have contacted the editor in question to take a look here and chime in. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:56, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, I agree with your decision. However the paragraph was put back right away by BentelyCoon, and he did not provide any explanation. Looking at the history, he must be the one who inserted this paragraph in the first place (look at the modifications done on March 30 and Apr 11). Could you please ask him to explain his actions. This is a clear promotion of the Aravis software. It even contains a reference to a paper that mentions its use. How is it relevant? There are dozens of scientific and industrial publications that describe utilization of various GigE Vision products, but they have nothing to do with the context of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeslerB (talk • contribs) 23:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have removed the paragraph solely because I felt it was unnecessary and a tad on the advertising side, not because of any legal concerns. I would not be opposed to another user re-inserting it as long as they give valid reasons why it should be included. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 16:19, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. First off, please read our conflict of interest policy. Second, could you please link to the edit you made inserting your product? Third, I have thoroughly reviewed this, and while these products are illegal, they do not fall under WP:LINKVIO. See the applicable court case at Bowers v. Baystate Technologies and the court decision text here. They are not illegal under copyright law as evidenced at Reverse-engineering#United_States. However, they are illegal because they violate the contract entered with AIA. WP:LINKVIO deals purely with copyright. Also, it would not be illegal for a user to use those products, it would only be illegal for the owner of those products to distribute and reverse-engineer them, apart from copyright. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 22:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Are you satisfied with BentlyCoon’s reasoning? I thought we would try to come to a consensus, but I do not think he is interested in any discussion. It appears that he wants to keep the references to those products solely based on their controversial legal status which is the only thing that distinguishes them (or rather one of them, as 2 out of 3 are not real) from other GigE Vision products. I think I gave a compelling argument why neither these nor any other products should be advertised in such an article. And here is more. Take a look at the following articles dedicated to other video standards: Camera Link, CoaXPress, ONVIF, Serial digital interface. None of them include references to specific software products. Should not this alone be enough reason for removing that insertion?
TeslerB (talk) 23:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm fine with it from a legal standpoint as I have thoroughly argued above, and the paragraph is not doing any harm being there. Also, it doesn't matter whether or not the articles you linked have a similar paragraph. You can add one yourself to those articles if you want. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 23:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
- It does not do any harm, but it promotes a specific product using Wikipedia. You yourself wrote to one of the users below that a service does not need to be free to be considered advertisement. How is this case different? TeslerB (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- This is not advertising. I suggest you read WP:GOI. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- All I am asking for is an explanation. You yourself deleted this paragraph based on the advertisement argument. The other editor put it back without providing any reasoning. Now you seem to have changed your mind and I do not understand why. You gave a good explanation on the legal question; could you please explain why it is not advertising. TeslerB (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- I said a tad on the advertising side, because I personally don't like external links in body paragraphs but I'm OK with them. It follows WP:NPOV, so it is not advertising. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- If it is inserted by a creator of a product, can it still be considered a neutral point of view? TeslerB (talk) 02:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes but usually it is hard to write that way if you are the creator. And please don't randomly accuse editors of having a WP:Conflict of interest. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you look at the history, there was an attempt to make this insertion on Nov 26, 2012 by EmmanuelP. The name of the owner of the Aravis software is Emmanuel Pacaud. At that time his insertion was removed (not by me), and nobody objected. In April somebody put it back, and you know the rest of the story. Can you at least delete the reference to a publication about the Aravis software (reference #7)? It describes how a particular customer decided to use that specific software as opposed to other software products. Referencing such an article is clearly not neutral and has a goal to steer the reader towards one product. TeslerB (talk) 04:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- No. I don't see anything wrong and am rather annoyed by your campaign against rival products. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 04:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Is there any path for me to appeal? I was told I was supposed to look for consensus, but none of my suggestions were accepted. These products do not compete with ours at all. However, as an engineer who participated in the development of the GigE Vision standard, I find the reference to this publication absolutely unnecessary and out of context. It was not even inserted by the user who put this paragraph there. It was inserted later on by NorthSouthBridge during the "edit war". And he was also the one who removed the sentence about the GigE Vision being a registered trademark of the AIA, which was always part of this article. Are you OK with this deletion as well?TeslerB (talk) 04:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- No. I don't see anything wrong and am rather annoyed by your campaign against rival products. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 04:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you look at the history, there was an attempt to make this insertion on Nov 26, 2012 by EmmanuelP. The name of the owner of the Aravis software is Emmanuel Pacaud. At that time his insertion was removed (not by me), and nobody objected. In April somebody put it back, and you know the rest of the story. Can you at least delete the reference to a publication about the Aravis software (reference #7)? It describes how a particular customer decided to use that specific software as opposed to other software products. Referencing such an article is clearly not neutral and has a goal to steer the reader towards one product. TeslerB (talk) 04:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yes but usually it is hard to write that way if you are the creator. And please don't randomly accuse editors of having a WP:Conflict of interest. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 03:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- If it is inserted by a creator of a product, can it still be considered a neutral point of view? TeslerB (talk) 02:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- I said a tad on the advertising side, because I personally don't like external links in body paragraphs but I'm OK with them. It follows WP:NPOV, so it is not advertising. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 02:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- All I am asking for is an explanation. You yourself deleted this paragraph based on the advertisement argument. The other editor put it back without providing any reasoning. Now you seem to have changed your mind and I do not understand why. You gave a good explanation on the legal question; could you please explain why it is not advertising. TeslerB (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- This is not advertising. I suggest you read WP:GOI. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 01:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- It does not do any harm, but it promotes a specific product using Wikipedia. You yourself wrote to one of the users below that a service does not need to be free to be considered advertisement. How is this case different? TeslerB (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
You can follow the steps at WP:DRN to "appeal". Point them to Talk:GigE vision, where I have left a note. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 05:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- I decided not to file a dispute, as enough time has already been spent on it. However I did put the AIA trademark sentence back into the article.TeslerB (talk) 05:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have removed it. It is not necessary to add who owns the trademark to what in every single article. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 05:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- But this sentence was in this article for more than 4 years. How can it be irrelevant if it directly relates to the topic of the article? The very fact that the AIA owns the trademark prohibits other companies from using the "GigE Vision" abbreviation without the AIA's consent. Even if you disagree with their policy, it is still quite an important piece of information.TeslerB (talk) 06:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- It is unnecessary to put in iPhone that Apple owns the trademark. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:06, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- iPhone is a product. The only way you can violate its trademark is by trying to create a counterfeit product with the same name. AIA on the other hand owns a trademark on a standard. You cannot buy a standard as a final product. You are buying a license that gives you the right to use the standard and associated trademark in your own products. This is not a typical scenario and it is worth mentioning in the article. When I argued with NorthBySouth, I pointed him to the trademark ownership. He then deleted this sentence from the article. What kind of counter-argument is this? Should we also delete the sentence about the AIA policy prohibiting the creation of open-source software, since puts into a question the status of the three products we were discussing?TeslerB (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- The only thing that they have registered with the United States Patent and Trademark Office is the word's "GigE vision" and logo. You can searh the records yourself at their website. I have also searched and not found any entries at The Copyright Office. Also, the AIA is headquartered in Washington, D.C., contrary to your claim that they are based internationally and cannot go after these products. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 18:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- You misunderstood me. The AIA is based in the US. It is the creators of the product in question who are based internationally, and this is why it is difficult for the AIA as a non-profit organization to go after them. Yes, they registered the word combination and logo. Isn't it how it is usually done? Also in the course of this dispute with different editors I never got a rebuttal to my argument that the use of the "GigE Vision" abbreviation in the product name is Trademark infringement. Can you comment on this please? TeslerB (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- The AIA is the sole party to the contract other than the distributors and are the only ones with the authority to go after the free software. The individual people who created it is irrelevant. No, this is not how it is usually done. For example, IEEE802.15.4a, a technology standard, is patented. AIA did no such thing. Also, are you seriously suggesting that this is trademark infringement? If so, please immediately leave Wikipedia and stop wasting my time. Actually read the first paragraph of the article you linked to. If you still think this is trademark infringement, waste some money at a lawyer who will laugh at you. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 18:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- The above paragraph may have been a bit harsh. I assumed you meant using the words in the article. Now I think you mean that the projects themselves violate trademark. Could you clarify? Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 19:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I am not trying to annoy you. Yes, I meant using the word combination in these products' names. TeslerB (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oh ok. Thanks. I can see how someone could reasonably think that. However, while the trademark status may be ambiguous, and we have already established above that the products themselves are illegal. It would not be an infringement to mention them as how this summary of many trademark cases is not illegal. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 19:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, this makes sense. Does the trademark infringement fall under WP:LINKVIO jurisdiction or is it different from the copyright violation (which as you explained is not the case here)? I am just curious if the AIA has any leverage here from the trademark standpoint. TeslerB (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Oh ok. Thanks. I can see how someone could reasonably think that. However, while the trademark status may be ambiguous, and we have already established above that the products themselves are illegal. It would not be an infringement to mention them as how this summary of many trademark cases is not illegal. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 19:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I am not trying to annoy you. Yes, I meant using the word combination in these products' names. TeslerB (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- You misunderstood me. The AIA is based in the US. It is the creators of the product in question who are based internationally, and this is why it is difficult for the AIA as a non-profit organization to go after them. Yes, they registered the word combination and logo. Isn't it how it is usually done? Also in the course of this dispute with different editors I never got a rebuttal to my argument that the use of the "GigE Vision" abbreviation in the product name is Trademark infringement. Can you comment on this please? TeslerB (talk) 18:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- The only thing that they have registered with the United States Patent and Trademark Office is the word's "GigE vision" and logo. You can searh the records yourself at their website. I have also searched and not found any entries at The Copyright Office. Also, the AIA is headquartered in Washington, D.C., contrary to your claim that they are based internationally and cannot go after these products. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 18:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- iPhone is a product. The only way you can violate its trademark is by trying to create a counterfeit product with the same name. AIA on the other hand owns a trademark on a standard. You cannot buy a standard as a final product. You are buying a license that gives you the right to use the standard and associated trademark in your own products. This is not a typical scenario and it is worth mentioning in the article. When I argued with NorthBySouth, I pointed him to the trademark ownership. He then deleted this sentence from the article. What kind of counter-argument is this? Should we also delete the sentence about the AIA policy prohibiting the creation of open-source software, since puts into a question the status of the three products we were discussing?TeslerB (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- It is unnecessary to put in iPhone that Apple owns the trademark. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:06, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- But this sentence was in this article for more than 4 years. How can it be irrelevant if it directly relates to the topic of the article? The very fact that the AIA owns the trademark prohibits other companies from using the "GigE Vision" abbreviation without the AIA's consent. Even if you disagree with their policy, it is still quite an important piece of information.TeslerB (talk) 06:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have removed it. It is not necessary to add who owns the trademark to what in every single article. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 05:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
WP:LINKVIO deals only with copyright and not any other legal aspects. For example, Wikipedia links to Silk Road (marketplace), even though the business is illegal, and Wikipedia links to The Pirate Bay, even though the Pirate Bay knowingly violates copyright (but Wikipedia doesn't link to any specific copyrighted works). Also, for an example about trademark. Marvel Comics registered the trademark "Superhero" back in the 60s, but Wikipedia has many articles and links that likely violate this trademark. Also, you may be interested to know that I uploaded the logo of GigE vision and used it in the article. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 21:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, this wraps it up for me. Since I am not disputing it anymore, can you please remove the Dispute section from the article's talk page? TeslerB (talk) 22:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)