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I'm getting tired of scrolling w/o a scroll wheel on the schools stupid mouses. I read about something called a double redirect, what is it, why does it need to be fixed, and how do I fix them?RanDawg 14:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

If you study programming, you will find that redirects are like pointers. They point the readers to another page. For example, HKCL points to Hong Kong Central Library. Then we may have a representation like:

HKCL  -->  Hong Kong Central Library

However, note that the redirect is just an arrow. It does not specify the content of the target. The target could be anything. In case the target of a redirect is itself a redirect, then problems come up. Say:

Pagename 1 --> Pagename 2 --> Pagename 3

This kind of situation is called a double redirect.

In most cases double redirects, or better termed, "redirects that target redirects", aren't big problems, as the real target can be traced continuously following the arrows. However, as I've said before, the target can be any page. If the target can be a redirect, then why can't the redirects cause a cyclic flow and finally go back to the source? Say:

P1 --> P2 --> P3
 ^             |
 |             v
P5 <--------- P4

Normally when the user tries to retrieve a page which is a redirect, the target page will be displayed because the route is automatically traced by the server. However, the process ought not re-iterate in case the above cyclic situation happens. Otherwise the server will break down due to improper user data. (In this context "improper user data" refers to the cyclic redirects)

So to solve this problem, the MediaWiki engine could do nothing but to stop tracing redirects at one hop. In other words, if a reader tries to retrieve Pagename 1 as of the second chart above, the server will output Pagename 2 saying it is a redirect to Pagename 3, instead of hopping to Pagename 3. With this regulatory feature, the server will not crash when it encounters cycles.

But this causes a decrease in readability. When a user retrieves Pagename 1, he wouldn't get anything useful but a redirect link, which is Pagename 2 asking the user to click Pagename 3. So, to solve this problem, whenever editors see redirect targets as redirects, they should retarget the redirect. In the Pagename 1 case, you should edit Pagename 1 (instead of Pagename 2, which is what you get when you deliberately click Pagename 1 without forcing "redirect=no"). Then the situation becomes:

Pagename 1  (skipped) Pagename 2 ---> Pagename 3
  \                                     /
   -------------------------------------

This fixing process is called "fixing a double redirect".

Of course, the cyclic situation, as I've said above, is just a dramatic magnification of the double redirect situation. If something like that ever happens in real life, the pages would be brought to WP:RFD as "improper redirects" or even "deliberate technical vandalism".

Hope this long essay helps your understanding to the stuff. Exam in 10 hours, I ought not talk too much. --Deryck C. 14:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ouch. Forgot the first question. The keyboard up/down buttons have the same function as the scrollbar when you view webpages. Hope this trivia helps. --Deryck C. 14:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

That helped. Good luck on your exam!RanDawg 18:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

How did you do the boxes? Theres no wiki codeRanDawg 17:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Prepend a spacebar to the beginning of each line. Alternatively, you can use <pre> ... </pre>. --Deryck C. 05:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

For my page on Reform the resistance, I need to add references. How would I do that?RanDawg 14:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

There are actually a few ways to add references. One way is to simply add a "references" section and bullet/numbered-list the reference items in it. The other way, which creates numbered footnote anchors, required some wiki markup. At the point where you want to add the note flag (something like ^[1]) you add a <ref>Something</ref> tag, where the "Something" is the thing you want to display in the footnote. At the bottom of the page, you add a <references/> tag or a {{reflist}} template. For an example of both types of referencing, you may see an article that I've long been working on, Lam Tin. --Deryck C. 04:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

So how do I get it so when you click on the [1] it will go to the link at the bottom of the page? I saw this on the Lam Tin Article, but couldent get it to work.--RanDawg 17:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to look at Wikipedia:Footnotes for an elaborate tutorial on how to use the ref tags. I think that page will give a better explanation than I could. --Deryck C. 04:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Now there's a lot of security stuff about my password. Is this wikiwide or just me and I need to get a better password?--RanDawg 14:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It is wiki-wide. Everybody gets the same notice. Don't worry, and remember don't tell anybody your password even if it's very secure. --Deryck C. 05:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

How would I make a user taskbar?RanDawg 14:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

User taskbar? I'm not sure what specific thing are you referring to, but most likely the "taskbars" can be created as tables on user pages, or alternatively you might want to use {{to do}}. --Deryck C. 03:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I've been given permission to use pictures from a band, how would I upload them and prove I have permission to use them.--RanDawg 17:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

You should upload the picture and put a copy of the written permission given by the band into the Summary section. Then, according to the guidelines, you should also mail a copy of the written permission to (somewhere I forgot) as stated on the uploads page. --Deryck C. 06:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:ADOPT

I saw that you wish to be adopted. Is it okay if I become your adopter? Please reply at my talk page. Thanks. --Deryck C. 16:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

So it's my pleasure to adopt you. Happy working together =] What do you wish to start with? Or should you wait until you have a problem and then come to me? --Deryck C. 08:53, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I've change the template on your userpage to show that you've already been adopted by me. You can have a look at it. --Deryck C. 08:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to know how to create my own page, with references etc. i.e. how to do the [citation needed] RanDawg 13:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. To create a new page, you can start from a redlink on an existing article. (redlinks are links showing in red words; they link to edit pages of nonexistent articles) For the "citation needed" flag, you can use {{cn}}. How's your progress with the articles? --Deryck C. 15:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm doing pretty well with my articles, but progress is slow because I have dial-up at home and can only work on them at school. RanDawg 18:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't matter. But be aware that since you use shared computers, the IP you use may be previously used by vandals, and therefore you may be blocked due to collateral damage. Sometimes your IP will be blocked as "open proxies" when you actually aren't, because of the large number of vandals using the same IP. I encounter this situation fairly frequently. So if you encounter an autoblock due to collateral damage, leave a message so that some other admins or I can help you. --Deryck C. 11:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Good advice, as most of the people at my school would do that sort of thing. RanDawg 14:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a hard-ban against Open proxies. However, private or "closed" proxies are generally allowed. So you may consider using private proxy servers to edit, so as to avoid being rotated to IPs previously used by vandals. --Deryck C. 05:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

All the proxy servers are blocked by our school server. Which of course is mandated by law. I think that whole concept is stupid, but since I can't vote, I don't have a voice. Yeah, im ranting. sorry. RanDawg 14:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

How do I insert a image into a page/userbox. I tried to do that with my WCS userbox, but it didn't work.RanDawg 18:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

To insert an image, use the tag [[Image:(image name)|(optional formatting options, eg thumb, left, right, size; can be used in combination)|(optional caption)]].

For example, [[Image:Sin Fat Road, Sai Tso Wan.jpg|thumb|left|450px|Sin Fat Road near Sai Tso Wan Recreation Ground]] will become:

Sin Fat Road near Sai Tso Wan Recreation Ground

Sweet! After a few false starts, I finally got a picture of a wolverine in my WCS userbox. RanDawg 18:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Not bad, you can move on to more contentious edits. Then you will find your real purpose on Wikipedia. Everybody has something that others cannot produce. Show others your ability. --Deryck C. 10:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

What happens when two people edit the same page simutaniously? How will the edit come out? On an unrelated note, how do I make a page different colors?RanDawg 14:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

An edit conflict will occur. The editor who pressed the save button later will have his request rejected. To make a page show different colours, you can use HTML and CSS tags, for example, <font color=green>green text</font> will give green text. --Deryck C. 08:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to do a #REDIRECT command to an outside link?RanDawg 17:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Nope, redirect works only for pages within the same site. You may see Wikipedia:Soft redirect for further details. --Deryck C. 05:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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