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DyingScene.com

Good day Girl - I'm writing to you today because someone at wikipedia is practicing favoritism regarding the extension DyingScene.com. I am unable to use this extension as a valid citation source due to the fact it was blacklisted over 7 years ago. How can DS not be considered a valid news source when sites like punknews.org and absolutepunk.net are? They do more interviews, album reviews, exclusive premieres and publish more original content then either of those sites. This week, an admin deleted a page I created because wiki will not accept DS as a valid source. Please instruct on what avenues we must pursue to get justice in this matter, thank you. Robzwop (talk) 15:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

• I'll reply on your userpage. On a side note, it's usually better to just approach one person than to go posting on multiple pages. A good place to start is usually at the WP:TEAHOUSE or at WP:RS/N for reliable source questions. However since this was blacklisted, it becomes slightly more complicated. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:37, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

FYI

Sorry to read that "I'd actually gotten pretty heavily insulted in the process and accused of WP:BADFAITH deletions" because of the removal of some of the articles I have written. I can assure you that if I could I would defend all my posts, with detailed references & bibliography.....but admins like user:Vituzzu NEVER allow a defense (to get more information on him please go to [1] and click on Manmer2015 ....so you'll understand more about who really is this "deletionist" damaging Wikipedia with his "evilness", as he wrote on his user page). I hope you are the kind of people who listen to both sides before making judgments about a person accused of vandalism on Wikipedia: so allow me to defend myself pinpointing that I have never damaged Wikipedia ....while I have written more than 100,000 posts on Wikipedia in 8 years after my "ban", that was based on complete lack of justice (only if you are hurt like me, you'll behave the way I did: a vandal will abandon Wikipedia soon or later as all of them do, don't you agree?). Anyway, I wish you the best in your life....BD

PS: A lot of the sections of what I wrote on "Christian Berbers" -just to show you a simple example- was transferred from other articles like Early African Church, Muslim conquest of the Maghreb, etc...but no one has complained about these articles for many months, while User:Berean Hunter with a bit of malignity found that "..In short, verifiability would be a nightmare.." on the article written by me ..........but if I could I'd be showing all the references & data needed, be sure of that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.176.2 (talk) 18:20, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

• Are you referring to the Brunodam articles and if so, are you Brunodam? If you are then posting on my talk page isn't really a good way to go about contesting this since this can be seen as a block evasion. You need to first contest your block, which will require that you explain your edits, why you did things the way you did, and how you can go about writing in a way that Wikipedia prefers. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

The Wikinomics Project page

Hi there,

This is an EU publicly funded project with results openly available.

Thank for helping me to better develop this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanough (talk • contribs) 10:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

• I deleted the page for promotion, but it was also taken from this site, which has its copyright information clearly marked. You can write a new version of the project but you will have to write it in your own words in a neutral tone. You will also need to show how this project has received coverage in independent and reliable sources per WP:RS. The project's existence does not automatically make it notable (WP:ITEXISTS). Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Submission declined of Draft:Meadows

HiTokyogirl79! I made use of the sources you mentioned and I would be glad to make any other suggested changes if this needs another round of revisions. But I worked carefully, and believe this will meet the requirements. I have added in lots of new sources.

On the question of notable literary awards, the following url shows the notable poets in Wikipedia who, like Deborah Meadows, have been awarded the Gertrude Stein Award: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=gertrude+Stein+award&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go

I understand that items published on university sites are held to high standards of truth and faculty members could be charged with fraud if they erroneously publish information about their degrees and publications.

FYI. This is published on the Jacket2 site as a description of their mission, editorial process, and affiliation with the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Penn.

About us

Jacket2 offers commentary on modern and contemporary poetry and poetics. We publish articles, reviews, interviews, discussions and collaborative responses, archival documents, podcasts, and descriptions of poetry symposia and projects. We also publish discursive explorations and transcripts of material in the PennSound archive. Features in Jacket2 present a wide range of materials about and responses to the work of a single poet or group, and might include reissued or original poems. Jacket2 is also committed to preserving a full, searchable archive of Jacket Magazine issues 1–40, published between 1997 and 2010 by John Tranter, a database of more than a thousand pieces of criticism on contemporary poetry in addition to more than a thousand original works by poets from around the world.

Jacket2 (ISSN 2167-2326) is associated with PennSound and the Kelly Writers House at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. We gratefully acknowledge the ongoing support of Harry Groome (C’63), whose generous endowment gift helps sustain this website. Other supporters include Elisa Caterfino Mandel (C’83), the Center for Programs in Contemporary Writing, and the Office of the Provost at the University of Pennsylvania.

SUBMISSIONS

Jacket2 does not read unsolicited submissions. We will be reading unsolicited queries during the month of January 2016. Please note that Jacket2 publishes new poetry only as part of critical commentaries and features; we are not currently reading submissions of poetry.

BOOK REVIEWS

Publishers, please send review copies to: Michelle Taransky, Reviews Editor, Jacket2, Kelly Writers House, 3805 Locust Walk, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6150. Please note that we cannot guarantee reviews of books sent for consideration.

Also I wanted to let you know that I did contact the Poetry Foundation to ask them if the bio was written by the poet or a press agent of Meadows. Here is what they wrote back to me:

From: Poetry Foundation <info@poetryfoundation.org> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 8:37 AM To: Jenny Carden Subject: RE: Contact Submission for PoetryFoundation.org Hi Jenny, Thank you for your email. Our site’s biographies come from a variety of sources and were written by various critics, scholars, and freelance writers and are edited by the website editors, with periodic updates by other writers, and so on. Unfortunately, we did not keep records for each bio, but you could cite unattributed biographies properly using this template:

     PoetryFoundation.org. “Biography of [Poet].” The Poetry Foundation, n.d. Web. [Date of access.]

This template comes from Purdue University’s guide to MLA format: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/747/08/. None of the bios are self-authored, but relevant information and publications can be emailed to James Sitar, Senior Editor, atjsitar@poetryfoundation.org. Thank you for your interest in POETRY. Sincerely, The Editors From: no-reply=poetryfoundation.org@mailgun.org [no-reply=poetryfoundation.org@mailgun.org] on behalf of PF Contact [no-reply@poetryfoundation.org] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 12:03 AM To: Poetry Foundation Subject: Contact Submission for PoetryFoundation.org

Jenny Carden (jennycarden@gmail.com) has sent the following: I have a general inquiry.

Can you please direct me to a place on your site that shows the Poetry Foundation's policy on who authors the biographic materials of poets listed on the site. That is, is it safe to assume that it is impermissible for self-authored biographic descriptions? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennycarden (talk • contribs) 20:49, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hoax

Hi, I'm not sure why but I remember you as someone with an eye for hoaxes. Would you have any interest in archiving Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reede-drum to Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia? The article was out there for 7yrs 7mos so it has a decent pedigree and even a bit of humor (note the kangaroo skin part). Cheers, Vrac (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

• Can do! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you! Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Green Thumb

Hi Tokyogirl79, just to let you know i have contributed to the above afd based on your recent edits on the article, did you forget to do so?

Coolabahapple (talk) 14:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Request on 16:38:47, 21 July 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by MJR Creative Group

• MJR Creative Group (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Autumn Glory Apple (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Tokyogirl79,

I am looking for feedback in regards to your declining of the submission of our draft for the Autumn Glory Apple (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Autumn_Glory_Apple). I was wondering if you could help with any suggestions to make the page less promotional as you suggested. There are more sources that I found now, but it is a new product that is only grown by one grower, Domex Superfresh Growers, and was introduced in 2011 so it's difficult to find too many sources. Is there anyone that can assist or people for hire who specialize in helping companies publish content to Wikipedia? Thank you!

MJR Creative Group (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've soft-blocked this account given they were warned and asked to do so back in March but never bothered, nor did they disclose their obvious COI. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 16:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Uninvolved Admin

Hi Tokyogirl79, I would request you to consider giving your opinion, as an uninvolved Admin, on an ARCA discussion featuring me:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Amendment_request:_Imposition_of_an_Arbitration_Enforced_Sanction_against_me_by_Bishonen Soham321 (talk) 02:24, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

• I'm going to decline since I'm friendly with Bishonen, Spaceman Spiff, and Ogress, and thus more likely to think well of them. One thing I can recommend though: learn how to be more concise when writing out things. I've limited experience with arb requests, but I can say that being lengthy does not always work in your favor there - especially if the people you're complaining about can summarize their arguments in far less words. After a while people will start to just skim what you've been written and their eyes will glaze over - this is not something you want to happen at at arbitration. I've got a tendency to be wordy, but I'm trying to get better about that. I also want to suggest that you try not to bring up past things that the other editors have done unless it directly pertains to your editing. Not only will that help keep things shorter, but bringing up other editors' past conflicts (especially if you weren't involved) doesn't show that you're really WP:AGF. Only bring up something if you think that it mirrors your current issues. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Re. User:Imthi nadubail

Hi Tokyogirl79,

• On June 2 you indeffed Imthi nadubail (talk · contribs) [2]. (AKA Mohammed Imthiyaz Nadubail (talk · contribs))
• On June 4 Nadubailhero (talk · contribs) was created [3].

I came across 'Imthi' edit warring over the name and many moves [4] of the now Perla, Kasaragod page. The 'Nadubailhero' account created Perla City on 12 July 2015‎, which was almost empty but basically about the same place (as far as I could tell, the map seemed wrong), hard to tell as the original editor 'Imthi' wouldn't explain what they were doing in an understandable manner. I have redirected the duplicate page back to Perla, Kasaragod.

Anyway, considering similar username and creation of a duplicate page about that place, almost 100% this Nadubailhero is a sock of Imthi nadubail. Just FYI. Pinging @RHaworth: as they were very involved with Perla, Kasaragod and 'Imthi' too, @GB fan: as they have reverted [5] related IP edits at Perla, which 'Imthi", and his other account, edited or edit warred at too, & @Agtx: involved with 'Imthi' & 'Perla' too. 220 of ^Borg 20:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Definitely a sock. We can get CheckUser to confirm it, but WP:DUCK is enough. Between the edits on Perla and creation of "Imthiyaz Mohammed," this is the same person and an immediate block is warranted. agtx 20:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

• Nadubailhero blocked. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:45, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Strewth! That block took about a quarter of the time it took me to write that message. 'Super Admin' strikes again! 220 of ^Borg 22:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oh wow - I missed some excitement once I went off WP for a few days (on vacation)! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:31, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

For moving Bhadravarman I. (I was going to just tag-thank you but on moves you can't do that.) Ogress _smash! 06:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, an article was previously deleted by yourself, and I would like to ask a few questions in general about wikipedia and keeping articles from being deleted. is it possible that we can discuss this on Skype, etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zazier (talk • contribs) 20:59, 26 July 2015‎

• Zazier, I don't really use things like Skype except for school and my personal life - I generally like to stick to Wikipedia for discussions about Wikipedia. I also need to note that I did try to reach out to you in June via your talk page and received this rather nasty attack on your talk page in response. I'm not really keen to give you my Skype information since I have to assume that a Skype chat would have a very high likelihood of you using it as a venue to launch more personal attacks to my face. Forgive me, but I would really be genuinely uncomfortable giving out anything even remotely personal to you when you made a comment like that. If you want to discuss pages that's fine, but it will have to take place on either my talk page or yours - and the first time you make a personal attack like that again, we're done. (I also need to warn you that making a personal attack like that again will bring a high chance of you getting blocked from editing.) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Vandal

Hello. Have you been in dispute with anybody recently? I only ask as this was posted to my user page, while this was conveyed to my colleague. Any ideas? Cassianto^Talk 09:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• I have been, actually - there was someone who got rather affronted when I moved their article to the draftspace and then suspected them of sockpuppetry. That doesn't seem their style, though... Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Levi Niblack

Hi you deleted my wiki page on Levi Niblack even though i clearly wasnt finished editing it. I read the wiki terms an conditions I know what I am doing thanks.

• @Levisfann:, when I'd deleted the page you had not edited for a few hours and I had to assume that there was a strong chance that you might not have come back. However at the same time, you also didn't really show how he would pass WP:NATHLETE and a search didn't bring up anything promising. From what I can see, it looks like this is someone who is only competing locally and has yet to compete on a national level that would gain him any coverage, as I can't really see where he's received coverage in independent and reliable sources. If you do want to try to continue to make an article, I would suggest going through WP:AfC rather than the mainspace. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:34, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Assistance

You helped with a similar matter regarding Cultural Marxist, whereby the fork of the deleted article was deleted and protected. This has happened again, at Cultural marxism. Can you please delete the "article" and protect the redirect, in line with the community deletion result? RGloucester — ☎ 14:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

It has already been dealt with. Much obliged for your potential assistance. RGloucester — ☎ 14:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

fyrtyjry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.17.175.21 (talk) 23:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Murtaza Khojami

Can you have a look at this: Murtaza Khojami (Musician). In 2014 you create-protected Murtaza Khojami, but I figured the new article should either be moved there or deleted (for whatever reason, like A7 or block evasion). — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Nvm, taken care of. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 07:12, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Ana María Llona Málaga

I don't speak English very well, but I have studied Literature in Peru and I can attest that doña Ana María is a nonentity. Nobody knows who is this person, not even me, an scholar. Kerplunk! (talk) 01:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Kerplunk!, I declined the speedy since she has gained just enough coverage to where she would have the most basic assertion of notability. The thing about speedy deletions is that someone can pass a speedy deletion but still fail overall notability criteria. It's meant to really only take care of the articles that are so blatantly non-notable that they would be obvious, which usually means no newspaper coverage. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:35, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

My sister constantly interviewed on television and in newspapers. Should she appear therefore in Wikipedia? My photograph was published in a magazine because I won a literary contest. Should I be included in Wikipedia? We all have our "five minutes of fame". Is it possible consult with other editors on deleting of the article? Kerplunk! (talk) 09:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Please fix "what links here" before deleting

Hello, you deleted Darknet (overlay network) but didn't fix the wikilinks that linked there before doing so.

Please always do that before deleting articles/redirects, thanks.

--Fixuture (talk) 17:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

UnDeletion of my "Altruism in Medicine Institute" draft.

Hello Tokyo Girl 79. Please restore the article as I wish to work on it in future and make it more factual/less promotional. I do appreciate your intervention. Many thanks. I'm new here and on a learning curve - your advice on what I should have done to avoid deletion would be appreciated. Should I have worked on it on a User page or something? MacPraughan (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

• MacPraughan, I can't entirely restore it since it was fairly promotional, but I have e-mailed it to you. I'll try to take a second look at the article to see if there's anything I can recommend offhand. I would say that you should definitely get someone from WP:MEDICINE to help you with the article, since they will be used to writing medical themed articles and can think of good ways to rephrase things. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

AfC dission on Draft:Ruse (book)

Thanks for your review! I've moved your declining comment to the talk page Draft_talk:Ruse_(book), so I could respond, and we could discuss if you like.

You missed (or discounted) the second article that is about the book, both are from reliable sources. The book meets WP:NBOOK number 1 and number 3, even if you don't feel the author is notable with dozens of cites (NBOOK 5). I've made a few of your suggested edits, I'm looking for the better page-numbering template. The Amazon reference points to the Reviews page, not the Sales page. These links go to Reception, not Notability, I don't know where editors get the idea that every cite has to be confined to notability :( Resubmitting -- Cheers! -- 009o9 (talk) 17:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

• There's a lot wrong with your rationale on the talk page. I'll reply there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:19, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
• Basically it's an issue with verifiability. There are long, long, LONG histories of authors and publishers deliberately trying to sway reviews in one direction or another. I can give you a few case histories of authors who tried to jack up their ratings by making fake accounts and times where an author's rating went down because they made the site's denizens angry. We can't verify the reviews, so they shouldn't be added. This also doesn't mention the fact that Amazon is a merchant site and they're there to sell you stuff, so using their site comes across as Wikipedia endorsing the site and/or the product - an impression that you need to avoid making since you have a strong conflict of interest here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)

Orphaned non-free image File:The Midnight Swim film poster.jpg

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Thanks for uploading File:The Midnight Swim film poster.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 02:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

MaxxCAT Search Appliance

    You have recently deleted an article that I contributed to citing G11.   This article is written in a neutral viewpoint,   it is not spam and it is non promotional.  I followed the Wikipedia guidelines and worked through Article for Submission with other editors. The MaxxCAT Search Appliance is notable in the Search Appliance segment.  It is notable for it speed and was instrumental in helping to push the search appliance into popularity along with Google GSA, Thunderstone and others.  Proper channels were followed to ensure proper referencing and attribution to notable sources. MaxxCAT is notable globally among IT professionals in Enterprise Level Corporations.   Please reinstate the page if possible,  or if you could make the content userfied, so we can discuss what qualified it as G11, I can make the proper edits.     This was a very fast deletion and I didn't have the opportunity to discuss it with you.  GForsytheMC (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2015 (UTC)GForsytheMC
GForsytheMC (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)GForsytheMC

Also, I noted on DGG page since they nominated the page. What else can I do to avoid this in the future? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GForsytheMC (talk • contribs) 14:24, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

• I'll reply on DGG's talk page. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Btphelps/Sandbox/Walter E. Lauer

Thank you for your deletion of that page. I found it funny that I provided three CSD critera at the RFD and you ended up using WP:R3. R3 actually wouldn't apply to this redirect because it "does not apply to redirects created as a result of a page move." Since User:Btphelps/Sandbox/Walter E. Lauer was moved to Wikipedia:Walter E. Lauer and finally to Walter E. Lauer, those would be {{R from page move}}s. I'm just letting you know since it's commonly overlooked. Cheers, -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of List of NPOs in Nigeria

It was my understanding that G5 can only be used to speedy delete a page that was created by a blocked or banned user if the page was created by that person while the block or ban was in effect. With List of NPOs in Nigeria, it was created on June 6, but TejaswaChaudhary was not blocked until July 9. Is there an exception to the general G5 rule about the timing of creation for socks? If so, there are a few other page creations related to TejaswaChaudhary and/or Smileverse that I can request speedy deletion for instead of PROD tagging. Inks.LWC (talk) 19:41, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thank You, Tokyogirl79, for saving my article Bhola Rijal. Cheers! Ashish Lohorung (talk) 07:24, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Help me

I have make an article but now it is in draft. The draft link of artile is Arun Saha. Please move the article at Arun Saha (Actor) Shahadat Hossain (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Re:

Usually I never read his psychodrama, now I read what he wrote about you, though I must confess I had to jump several boring lines. He's such a big liar, I can still remember how "strongly" he pretended to be any of his different identities related to his sockpuppets. He actually lives in Miami area btw. Notwithstanding this any real life harassment actually damages more him than you for sure, I'm wondering about informing WMF's legal department. Anyway, my suggestion is ignoring his boring gibberish (don't read, just revert and salt, rants are never worth reading) but also share with fellow admins the burden of contrasting his recurring abuse. In my years here I got in touch with so many similar...err...it's hard to find a proper adjective...I'd need something meaning "someone who is able to make you facepalm 60 times a hour"! --Vituzzu (talk) 23:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Mike Rossi

Collect suggested I contact you before I would revert his delete. While I don't dispute that Rossi is not notable enough to have his own article, I actually agree with it, his incident was more than notable and publicized enough to be part of Publicized incidents of disputed marathon results. Most of the incidents in the current list were half as notable as Rossi's and most of those have no Wikipedia articles either. He was offered $100,000 by two very notable and legitimate athletes running a major on-line running board and website to repeat the feat. Mike Rossi's LVM Marathon cheating is notable and big enough to be worthy of the entry on that page at the very least in the eyes of all legitimate runners in the running community. Thanks. GregTakacs (talk) 19:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I rather think the discussion which resulted in the deletion of the BLP was also an indication that the community did not assign weight to the affair sufficient to include it in any list on Wikipedia, and the claim that Rossi engaged in a fraud is a "contentious allegation" in any event. That other examples should be removed from that list hardly argues that this case should be included. Collect (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

The Marathon course-cutting article did not reference anything about fraud. It simply posted that Mike Rossi, based on the overwhelming evidence of prior race performances, lack of photos, expert opinion, and absolutely no evidence of actually running the LVM marathon in its entirety, is indeed a marathon cheat. The fact that there were dozens of news articles about Mike Rossi and his marathon "performance" qualifies it as a publicized event. If there is a list of such things, and currently there is, Mike Rossi should be on it. Whether such a list should exist in the first place on Wikipedia is a different discussion and should be discussed as such. Thanks. GregTakacs (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I would agree 100% with Greg Takacs here. Mike Rossi and his run or lack thereof at the 2014 Lehigh Valley VIA marathon is one of the most "publicized incidents of disputed marathon results" out there. Triathleteguru (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

• I would prefer that you not add it anywhere. The coverage of his alleged cheating is actually fairly light when it comes down to it. Most of the world focused on him pulling his children out of school, not the allegations. Some running websites did cover the cheating allegations, but by large most of them just sort of shrugged and moved on. I really don't think that this coverage is heavy enough to warrant adding this anywhere and to be completely honest, I'd actually prefer that the only people who are mentioned in the aforementioned article be people who have articles. There's a very bad trend on Wikipedia of people adding things to the site because it's recent or because they feel that they need to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and call people out on things - and there were certainly people participating in the AfD who felt that it was their duty to let everyone know that they felt that Rossi was a cheater. It's actually fairly common for people to add things and then for these things to be removed later on because ultimately the event had no lasting notability. If people are still talking about Rossi in 1-2 years then this could possibly be added, but I'm kind of doubting that they will. It also doesn't help that both of you have signed up for accounts for what looks like the sole purpose of trying to add Rossi to Wikipedia. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Notability State newspapers?

Hi Tokyogirl79, wandering around child lit stubby articles, i keep coming across ones with notability questions (you may notice that i occasionly put up stubbies for afd) as most only have 1 if any references. An example is The Z Was Zapped which at the moment has a reference to a piece in The Deseret News, the largest state newspaper in Utah. My question is - can state newspapers, what some editors might call 'local papers', be used for notability? thanks Coolabahapple (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

• Coolabahapple, yes and no. It ultimately depends on the type of coverage, although that's debatable. The general rule of thumb is to look at the type of paper. If it's a major paper for the area (like New York Times or such) then pretty much anything they'll put out will be considered usable (as long as it's in-depth). The Deseret News would likely fall under this criteria for just about any editor. Now when they get smaller, that's where it's a bit more tricky. I'm kind of halfsies on this since I tend to think that any newspaper with a reasonable circulation that has a verified editorial staff would be usable as a reliable source. However I do know that there are editors who argue that local sources will cover local people for human interest pieces or will be more likely to want to cover a local person as one of those "local boy/girl does good" type of deals. They argue that local sources are depreciated because they have an interest in covering local people since it makes them look better. I don't always agree with that, since there are a lot of people and stories that they don't cover - plus these sources would likely be considered usable if they covered an out of state news story. Although at the same time, some stories are obviously "slow news day" human interest pieces regardless of where they're posted, like a paper covering the Beatles memorabilia collection of a local teenager. Anywho, I'm getting off track. In this case the news source would be usable if it was a review for the book or an article about the book. However looking at the source, it looks like it's only a brief mention in relation to another book (meaning it's not the book being reviewed) so it'd be considered a trivial source at best. A quick look for sources does bring up a few things that look promising ([6], [7], [8], [9], [10]) so hopefully it can be rescued. I'll try to see if I can find anything later on tonight. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi tokyogirl, thankyou i will add your reply to my wiki useful bits file. thanks also for the article sources, i didn't have notability concerns with this article, just noticed it had the one newspaper source. By the way i've been reassessing the child lit stubbies, i have found quite a few 'starts' and even some 'c' class, also some caldecott and newbery winners and honors which i have upgraded to high and mid importance. i have now got long lists of articles which need improving - reviews/more references, infoboxes, possible mergers, and notability concerns. ps. also, when i have time i will be adding the occasional child lit article. will you able to assess them or is it okay for me to do so, they will of course have plenty of references so will be 'starts' and will probably be low or mid importance? Coolabahapple (talk) 07:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

• I can help out if you want - I've never really done article assessment before, but it's something I should probably learn. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

thanks, that would be great, i promise there won't be very many, to begin with... as there are still heaps of stubby articles to improve. Coolabahapple (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

The Virginia Barnstar - you deserve it!

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		For outstanding work in creating new content and improving existing content about Virginia subjects. Your work at the LVA has been a great benefit to the project. Thank you! Mojo Hand (talk) 20:33, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks! I have to admit that I'm surprised at the amount of early politicians (specifically African-American ones after the Civil War) that don't have articles. It kind of makes me want to write them just to make sure that they're not forgotten. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: Page moves

Hello, what I understood from your comment, was to do this. But apparently it is not valid. I always asked you to move the pages the to from the main article, as i have done here. Then I think that I have not understood well.--Philip J Fry • (talk) 12:50, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Jaspergeli

Hello Tokyogirl79! I just want to ask that why my article is deleted by you? What's the problem with my article? I just want to give the viewers some information about koi varieties. Now I will make again an article named, List of koi varieties and do not ever delete it again! Jaspergeli (talk) 08:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

• Jaspergeli, it looked like you had copied part of your article from another source. This is considered to be a copyright violation and is not acceptable on Wikipedia. It also didn't really expand on the section Koi#Varieties, which already covers the various koi varieties. I know that this is not the complete-complete list, but Wikipedia generally only covers the major stuff and isn't really meant to be a complete list of every variety/strain of something, especially if it is not recognized as "official" by the various people. (This happens mostly in the cat and dog articles, but can happen in just about any species that has different variations of type.) If you want to try to create a new article on the list of varieties then feel free (although you will still need to show that this could merit an individual entry), but reposting copyrighted material is not acceptable and will lead to you getting blocked from editing, either temporarily or permanently. I have already warned you about this once on your talk page, where I let you know that this was the main reason for it getting deleted. Please do not do this again. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Tokyogirl79! Sorry for that article its just because i'm not ready of making that article but i'll promise I will do that next time. I just copied it but later on I will change it. If you want to correct something just say it on my talk page and I will do it correctly not like forced deleting of my own article. So anyway I can create my article List of koi varieties again? But it's not copied on other source or in wikipedia? S O R R Y Jaspergeli (talk) 11:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Fair Stone Draft: Request help

Hi there Tokyogirl,

you were of much help last time that you reviewed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fair_Stone You even helped me with some manga tips, sadly that relationship is no more, so no more gifts ;) I have re-submitted the article a few times as you can see. Detailed feedback has been rare however. I have removed all peacock terms and marketing stuff, and dont see any claims in the article. It basically describes the standard and what it expects from its participants. Furthermore I have greatly condensed its contents. Would be grateful if you could give me some additional pointers.

Kind regards, Azradon Azradon (talk) 13:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

• I'm sorry to hear that! I'll try to take a look at the article some time tonight. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:29, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Smelling socks

Thanks for your recent blocks related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 ). I looked at the global accounts of the two editors and at the IP address mentioned in Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 ). All 3 users appear to be from the same country (appearances can be deceiving, but I digress). I am very tempted to ask the Checkusers to run a "non-public-disclosure/admins can ask for the results privately" check so that the checkuser-evidence will be preserved. The purpose of the check would be to facilitate WP:G5 (blocked-user) deletions if this person waited until after the checkuser information would have otherwise expired then created an account and re-created the article.

I am concerned that such a request would be interpreted as "fishing." What do you think?

Update: I have added information to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 )#Post-close news - looks less like WP:HOAX and more like blatant WP:PROMO. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

• I wouldn't have an issue with a check. I do think that it's possible that the musician is trying to make a movie, but some of the claims in the article were pure hoax cruft. I think that at best this is the guy's wish list for a film crew. It not only had Stephen Sondheim (misspelled Stephen Sondhem) doing the music, but it had some pretty well known actors participating in the cast. (Timothy Spall from Harry Potter fame, Sacha Baron Cohen of Borat fame, and Colleen Atwood, who isn't an actress but has won gobs of awards for her costumes.) Even if this film is a twinkle in his eye, there's no way that a film would have these cast and crew members and have zero coverage. I mean, look at the news explosion when Cohen was supposed to be playing Freddie Mercury. I doubt that the news circuit would be quiet if he was in a short film about 9/11. I think that this was probably the guy's way of trying to attract attention and maybe get these people to be in his film. It's kind of a mixture of a hoax and promotion at the same time. I'd definitely endorse a check for sleepers and to see the evidence, just to see if this is a case of them trying to get around a block. At the very least it's extremely unlikely that anyone other than this guy would be trying to create an article or anything about this film, given that there's zero coverage out there. I mean, even SCHMIDT didn't seem convinced in any of this and he's more likely to give things the benefit of the doubt at AfD. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
• davidwr, upon looking at the various articles, I'm getting the impression that everything is a hoax. I've name dropped you at the SPI I've opened. I'd like you to go and comment upon the evidence I've posted. Basically, I'm getting the impression that this is a guy who is trying to repeatedly insert hoaxes on Wikipedia. The guy has claimed to have worked with some A list names and released multiple albums through major labels, yet he's received pretty much zero coverage on the Internet. This film looks to be the latest attempt to insert a hoax to Wikipedia, so I doubt that the film is even remotely real. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hampton Sides & Books

Thanks for your help Tokyogirl79! Regarding the copyvio issue, I thought that I had provided Wiki permissions with permissions from Penguin Random House (of which Doubleday is an imprint) allowing me to use copyrighted text as long as I properly cited what I was using. Perhaps the permission was not received? Anyhow, thanks for pointing that out, and I will take care to not infringe in the future.

As for COI regarding the subject (Sides), I am worried about making the pages too promotional, and would very much appreciate if you wanted to glance at the articles I have created. I have to say thank you very much for even offering to help, as previous editors have only pointed out faults w/o any suggestion of how to fix, so thank you for that!

I will also go back over the reviews I cited and add text!

Again, thanks for all your help, and please do not hesitate to let me know what else I can do to be a positive contributing member of the community. Artfuldodger06 (talk) 10:00 AM, August 29, 2015

• Artfuldodger06, I don't think I'd seen the OTRS tag on the article talk page. If you can get the OTRS team to put that up, the text can be used - just be careful since a lot of book jacket summaries can contain some promotional-ish prose. However that said, life would be a lot easier if we could use book jacket summaries for articles since re-writing them without closely paraphrasing or getting something wrong can be really difficult. I'd checked over some of your work the other day and offhand I don't really see much to worry about, although I'll take another look just in case. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, I made a request at requests for undeletion and I was wondering if you could review it. Thanks Tortle (talk) 06:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• Tortle, I'm not sure exactly how to move the old page history, to be honest, since restoring it would just restore it to that specific page. I don't think that there's a way to move specific page histories. I know that RHaworth deleted it and he has more experience with undeletion, so I'm going to tag him and see if he knows how to do it (and can then tell me how to do it as well). I also have to admit that I'm slightly concerned that you're taking on what looks like it'd be a fairly big project, considering that you're a very new user with less than 3,000 edits. This doesn't mean that I won't do it, just more that I'm curious as to why you chose to do something like this as one of your first big projects. Mostly I just kind of want to hear the reason for it and if you have someone helping you with this, preferably someone who is used to creating new WikiProjects. Jusdafax looks like he'd be down for the task, as does several of the people at the WikiProject Council. Making a new WikiProject is a huge, HUGE effort and I'd greatly prefer that you at least have a mentor on call for this. Again, not saying no and the major issue here is just that I'm not sure how to (or if we can) move a deleted edit history or if we just have to cut/paste the content, but I would feel better knowing that you have someone to help you with the overall details. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• I'm going to cut/paste this to the REFUND board as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• Hi, responding to the ping. I've never created a WikiProject and would not be a good choice for this. Thanks for thinking kindly of me! Tortle, TG is right and I strongly urge you take her advice. Good luck! Jusdafax 07:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Dolovis

I'm quite earnest about my offer to mentor/pre-approve new creations by Dolovis for a six month period, mentioned at AN/I. Articles for Creation is a broken system, forcing him to use that would not only flood it, it would result in a great deal of legitimate encyclopedic work languishing... —Tim //// Carrite (talk) 15:37, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

• I'm OK with you going through his articles as long as you make sure that they pass notability guidelines prior to accepting them. I know that he's created some articles that have passed notability guidelines, but he's also created many that did not, so I don't want this to turn into a situation where he uses and abuses your kindness. (IE, that he tries to get you to accept everything he makes and/or tries to sneak things past you, saying that you "approved" the article.) What bothers me so much about Dolovis is that I'm fairly certain that he knows policy and he knows what he should be doing - he just doesn't do it because he's more interested in driving up his article counts. I do think that there's a portion of him that means well, but I think that he's too overly focused on remaining in the top tier of article creators to the point where Wikipedia and other editors have suffered as a result, trying to clean up his mess. I do think that there should be a coda to this - if at the end of six months he isn't at least trying to meet the barest minimum of article sourcing, the probation should be extended. I do agree with you about AfC, although I'm trying to help out there where I can in order to try to clean it up some more. I just wish that AfC had a better image on the rest of Wikipedia- I think it'd then have more people coming in to help out. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

A Child lit article to assess.

Hi Tokyogirl79, I have recently added a children's book article to mainspace. It is called 365 Penguins and involves, as the title implies, lots of penguins (when i came across the book at my local library and being a member of the penguin cabal i knew it just had to have an article). I would appreciate if you could have a look at it and assess it for the child lit project. As previously discussed, i've made sure its got good references (its actually has a lot more references then i envisaged when i first started working on it). thanks Coolabahapple (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

• I'll try to take a look tonight! (I absolutely love penguins, so this might prove to be a bias... XD) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:38, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Squark, Squark!:))Coolabahapple (talk) 13:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

• It looked really, really good! And penguins.... Yay! (does happy dance) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

thanks Tokyogirl79, are you able to remove the 'unreviewed' tag from the article page and give it a quality and importance rating for child lit project (and the other projects if u like:)) on its talkpage so it doesn't appear on those pesky, oops, vitally important wikilists that editors regularly check? Coolabahapple (talk) 15:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

• Shoot - I always forget to remove tags. Sad to say, I forget to remove tags from things in my offline life as well. I can't tell you how many times my friends and family have told me to hold still so they can pull the shop tags off my clothing. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

thanks Tokyogirl79, sorry to be a pain but do you think its ok to assess it as a start class and low importance for the chid lit project? Coolabahapple (talk) 06:51, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

• I think so. I've tagged it as such. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Hooray!!!, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou.Coolabahapple (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry.

I promise not to cut and paste the same article into a new article again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceGoofsGeekerBoy (talk • contribs) 14:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

12:18:13, 7 September 2015 review of submission by 107.5.185.44

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  • Draft:Photofantasm Soundgarden (book) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

hi, I do not understand why this was declined. First the book is already out (August 10) , second you reference the sources and so far only one of which are pre-publication (High Voltage) and the other two are highly reliable KROQ and Loudwire (both are which are reviews of the book from two reliable sources). Thanks! 107.5.185.44 (talk) 12:55, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

107.5.185.44 (talk) 12:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

• The reason I declined it was because the coverage was fairly minor, as it was just coverage from about the same time saying that the book would release. What you need here are things like book reviews or something more to show a good depth of coverage. The book releasing makes it more likely that there would be coverage, but it's not a guarantee and a topic's existence (WP:ITEXISTS) does not automatically mean that something is notable. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:04, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

04:27:06, 8 September 2015 review of submission by P R Dongre

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  • Draft:How To Avert Great Depressions? (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Because the favourable re-review of my article and its consequent acceptance for publication should provide all concerned the so far unknown causalities of the Great Depression and enable them to take timely measures to avert the recession or the great depression in their respective national economies and ultimately save the mankind from avoidable miseries. Also, I wish to submit here for your consideration that to meet the requirements of acceptance of my article, should I undertake the following steps: First, to get a fresh article written on the subject make public by uploading it on my website - www.macroeconomicsps.com. Second, modify my already submitted article giving reference, inter alia, to the article uploaded in my above website. This will be done such that the already submitted article gets revised without expressing original opinions or without having appearing as an essay. I am seeking advice and clarification in all earnestness and sincerity and without ill-motives of any sort. P R Dongre (talk) 04:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

• The article is written like a personal essay, which is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for original thought or thesises. I'm sorry, but I don't see where your article will ever pass guidelines since it is essentially a guide on how to avoid a second GD. Don't take this personally - it's just that this is WP:NOT what Wikipedia is meant for. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Charlo Greene

Hey there. For reading just your WP:3O post here, it seems to me that 3O should be declined on two grounds: more than two editors being involved and for it being a conduct issue rather than a content. Wouldn't it be better to take it to some other venue? I recommend this. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• I wouldn't say that it's ready for dispute resolution just yet, although it's getting there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:48, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Psychology of eating meat

Thanks for your comments and suggestions at Draft:Psychology of eating meat. If you have time, you might want to check other articles I've written, such as Graham technique, Somatics, or Hedareb people, for similar problems. Again, thanks for your help! FourViolas (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Courtesy note: I've resubmitted the draft. I really appreciate your feedback, and hope you don't take this the wrong way. it's just that, as I explained at the talk page and the AFC help desk, I'm confident that the article is a neutral and accurate reflection of the available RS. If you could offer specific instances of places where I've overlooked something, I'd greatly appreciate your bringing them up. FourViolas (talk) 04:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• No worries, I don't take that badly. I'll try to take another look at it tonight. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:47, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Horror Society

Their editorial staff is listed on their site. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 06:56, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• But it is not clearly labeled as to who does what, so we have no way of knowing if there is an editor that looks over things or not. I'm inclined to see it as a probably usable source, but this is the sort of thing that tends to get exceedingly picked over by other editors, especially if the site is not frequently cited by RS. I've asked them to include this on their website. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:43, 10 September 2015 (UTC)