RedSoxlover28

Augustine of Hippo

Re: Augustine of Hippo, September 21: In your first comment you wrote ‘trivia’ instead of ‘trivium’ and left a period off that sentence. These typos probably immediately biased the other readers who quickly reverted (erased) both your contributions. I thought the second one had some merit, so it is a shame that it was deleted. You made a good point about Augustine’s ambitious and conscientious character. To be more acceptable, I think that you would have needed to work your ideas more carefully into the flow and reasoning of the paragraph where you were inserting it. You could also have simply started a separate paragraph in that section. As it was, your ideas did not quite seem to fit with the material around them. The first comment was also a good idea, although some of those facts were already included elsewhere in slightly different language. Grade: 2.5 --Jjhake 01:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Team assignment

Your team members are: K.B. and E.B. Your grade will depend on the quality of your contributions to this team.

However, you may also feel free to help the other teams or go to them with questions.

R.S., S.K., and D.S.

R.P., R.H., and J.T.

A.W., C.W., and O.F.

B.B., S.R., Z.P., and J.R.

Let me know if you have any questions. --Jjhake 03:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Team Member

Hi. You're on my team. I'm so glad he decided to have us do it in teams instead of by ourselves. I think it makes it more interesting. Spunkiel 01:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Team Member2

yeah, im on your team too! im glad we have smart people on our team :) resppaz8 00:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Assignment details

Your assignment is to improve (or suggest an improvement on the article's talk page) for any article that is directly related to the Franks or Ostrogoths. The assignment is due next Friday, October 13. You will be graded on the quality of your suggestions for your team. For those of you who do not have copies of the Cantor reading, you may need to complete this assignment after the break. This assignment should not be too hard as Cantor is full of great facts and many of these articles are not very polished. There is also ample opportunity to simply provide references for existing facts using Cantor. This is easily done with footnotes:

1. Place a <ref> ... </ref> where you want a footnote reference number to appear in an article—type the text of the note between the ref tags.
2. Place the <references/> tag in a "Notes" or "References" section near the end of the article—the list of notes will be generated here.

Here are some basic guidelines to follow for teamwork:

1. Team members should each find one or two improvements to recommend and post those recommendations on the article’s talk page.
2. When this is completed, team members should post a link to the appropriate article talk page on their teammates’ talk pages.
3. Teammates should then each look at each other’s suggestions and comment on which one they think the team should use.
4. Once a decision has been made, the suggestion may be left in its final form on the article’s talk page or one of the team members may go ahead and implement the improvement by editing the article itself.

Here is an example of how to leave a link to an article’s talk page where you have made a suggestion for your teammates:

Please see the suggestion I made for the article on Theodoric. It is under the heading “Assessment addition.”

You should also get in the habit of signing your username by clicking the shortcut button above your editing text box that has a picture of a signature on it. This allows people to easily surf to your talk page and leave you a note. --Jjhake 10:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

our first assignment

ok. do you have any suggestions for the assignment? if possible, do you think we can get this done before break is over? Spunkiel 13:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Theodoric

I already put what I think should be added to the article on Theodoric. I put it on the discussion page under Religion and Roman Influences. Can you give your suggestion and then can we finish up tomorrow night? Spunkiel 01:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

What's the plan?

What is the plan for getting this assignment done? I guess I just feel a little disorganized since we are just letting it go for now. Sorry. If possible, I would rather not have to do anything on Sunday, and not really Saturday. If all three of us can have our suggestions done by tomorrow afternoon, then we can each decide which we think we should do, and then just do it to get it done tomorrow after school so that we don't have to think about it over the weekend. And if that doesn't happen, it isn't the end of the world or anything. By the way, don't worry about making your suggestion late. It was just a due date that I set for myself so that I would get it done. It probably was a little unrealistic anyway. It's fine, especially since now it isn't due until Monday. Also, what should we do for our other user? I can't think of anything. Spunkiel 00:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

erin left us

um, katie, i think erin isnt in our group anymore. so i think its just me and you now. do have any suggestions on the article?resppaz8 19:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Apostolic Fathers

Probably the best online collection of texts by the Apostolic Fathers is at:

http://www.ccel.org/

You will also find relevant material at:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Most texts of the Apostolic Fathers are in volume one of Ante-Nicene Fathers edited by Roberts and Donaldson:

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.toc.html

The Shepherd of Hermas (also called the “Pastor” of Hermas) is in volume two of the ANF:

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.ii.i.html

The Second Epistle of Clement and the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (Didache) are in volume 7:

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf07.toc.html

Notice the indexes at the bottom of these pages. This are very useful tools. You may also search the text electronically with the search box in the page’s left-hand column.--Jjhake 21:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Searching apostolic father texts

Okay, to search within a particular text of the apostolic fathers, here is what you need to do.

Go to http://www.ccel.org/search?qu=&category=fulltext and the “Within Books” search tab should be selected already. You can search within any of the three volumes that contain the writings of the apostolic fathers. It will search the entire volume including other writings within that volume, but it will at least be limited to that volume.

So if you are looking for anything from Epistle to Diognetus, First Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians, Polycarp, Ignatius, Barnabas (or Pseudo Barnabas), or Papias, search inside of volume one and look for results that are from the author(s) you are researching. To search inside of volume one for any use of the word “baptism” you can cut and paste the following text.

baptism AND title:(ANF01)

(By the way, ANF01 stands for “Ante-Nicene Fathers, volume 1.”)

To search for anything in the Shepherd (or Pastor) of Hermas, look in volume two:

baptism AND title:( Fathers of the Second Century Hermas)

(A bug in their database does not allow ANF02 to work for this one.)

For anything from The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (or Didache) or The Second Epistle of Clement, look in volume seven:

baptism AND title:(ANF07)

For any of these you can replace the word “baptism” with any word such as “Moses” or “Eucharist” and it will give you every occurrence of that word in the text, introductions, and footnotes for that volume. Just be sure that you are in the “Within Books” search tab.

Finally, each volume has several indexes at the end of it that you can look through as well. The Scripture reference indexes may be particularly useful. There are also general indexes for all three volumes at the end of volume ten.