User talk:Renata3/archive4

MOREOVER

Then she thought of the tale she had told to Hagen, though she durst not say a whit. The noble queen began to rue that she was ever born. Lord Siegfried's wife wept out of measure. She spake to the knight: "Let be your hunting. I had an evil dream last night, how two wild boars did chase you across the heath; then flowers grew red. I have in truth great cause to weep so sore. I be much adread of sundry plans and whether we have not misserved some who might bear us hostile hate. Tarry here, dear my lord, that I counsel by my troth."

Thank you

... very much for the update. The CBB is perfect! I hope people will like it and will use it. The Cheat Sheet was just an idea, and I figured it would be very hard to make it work, but I still think it is a pretty good idea. Now with your help project... If you see my new year wiki resolutions on my user page... it is right up there. :) So I will try to help, but given my current situation, not too likely. Anyways, thank you! Renata 16:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I think I want to become the overseer of the CBB :) I like the idea too much :)

I made quite a few changes: simplified the rules (at least that's what I think); I put pulldate in front to be easily spotted by editors (readers don't see it anyways); put everything in chronological order (abc does not make a slightest sense to me); put 7 days as pulldate (now people are putting whatever they want, I project that it's gonna get waaaay to long in the future when people will start using it); put everything into simple formating (uniform, less flashy); I don't think that outside articles belong here (village pump is doing just fine with that).

How do you want to archive it? Renata 05:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and may I also suggest putting "new featured content" under the CBB and not under the collabs? Renata 05:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I tried that, and it seemed to clutter the box. And I can't figure out how to get 2 horizontal boxes in a row with that table formatting code. --Go for it!

I like your changes. They're sensible. I agree that links to outside articles are inappropriate unless there's a Wikipedia discussion that can be pointed to with it. Otherwise, it's totally external news (for Current Events) and not Wikipedia news (announcements of discussions are appropriate CBB items).

Archiving is unnecessary, since the CBB is automatically archived in the template's history. If a more formal archive is needed later, such can be provided as a list of links to specific versions in the template's history. Anything else is labor-intensive, and prone to missed deadlines. See Wikipedia:Goings-on which is already passed its deadline for archiving today.

As for you being overseer of the CBB, I support you 100%. If you ever need me, just drop me a note, and I'll come running. --Go for it! 10:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: For the help project, the team and I will be working on navigation tools for the Wikipedia and Help namespaces, so your cheat sheet idea will be on my mind throughout. As I come across links for it, I'll add them to a list. I started working on a similar project, "Wikipedia by department", but haven't gotten far with it yet.

Now I have another thing that bothers me: the CBB is getting very long and it's just a couple of days. Any ideas how to make it smaller? (I am pretty sure someone will complain pretty soon) Renata 11:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we struck a nerve! It looks like we put it in the right spot. Don't worry about the size, it's a one-week buffer and items will start dropping off and the list will level-out. Also, we're experiencing a grand-opening surge, because everyone with an event from the past 2 or 3 weeks who didn't know where to post it, are discovering the CBB and are putting up their announcements late. The surge should subside in a week or two. Besides, the page is 4 times as fun as it used to be, and more people are checking it out, so more people will browse the rest of the features on the page. And since the CBB changes often, users may visit the page daily or even more frequently, making it more likely they'll check out the other features too.

Another benefit with increased traffic will be that the other features will likely get more editing attention. --Go for it! 14:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I feel much better now :) You have the power in your words :) Anyway, I found another reason to worry: the location. I mean its real address is Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board. Now there is no Template:Announcements. So the beginning looks weird. Also, this could be a nice stand-alone page. So I would consider it moving to Wikipedia:Community bulletin board. You can include WP namespace articles just like templates so the comm portal won't be affected. What do you say? Renata 03:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

There wasn't a Template:Announcements because I hadn't built it yet (it exists now though). The reason the CBB is placed under "Template:Announcements" is because the CBB is an announcement template, and because it has sister templates. As a standard practice, placing announcement templates under Template:/Announcement/ makes them all easier to find using the special page "All pages". And Wikipedia is chaotic enough without having them strewn all about under unrelated names. Currently, there are 3 pages listed there, and there will be more in the future

Also, the CBB is a template because it is planned specifically for transclusion. It will likely be displayed in at least one other place (the page "Goings-on" is a good candidate host page).

There's one last reason why the CBB should remain a template: it isn't designed to be a stand-alone page. It opens specifically with a heading, because when headings are provided in a template, their edit buttons are active in all pages where the template is transcluded. The price is that the editor opens up for that "section" only in the template, so if the page has any opening material of its own before the heading, it won't show up in the edit window. So it really isn't a stand-alone page.

I hope this answers your questions to your satisfaction. --Go for it! 04:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

moving my talk page

Hi Renata, can you help me out with something? I moved my talk page to User talk:Fang Aili/Archive1, but now I can't get to my regular talk page without it redirecting me to the Archive. How can I get to my regular talk page?? Thanks. --Fang Aili 18:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually I just figured it out. Thanks anyway! --Fang Aili 18:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar!

Ze Original Barnstar

There you go, a barnstar to reward your continuing work in Wikipedia in spite of being busy in Real Life^TM. Enjoy it and keep up the good work! Cheers. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 00:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Latvian mythology

I believe most of those stubs came from Encyclopedia Mythica. Tuf-Kat 02:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

search box in main page draft

That version you put up wasn't showing up right on my screen either. I've put another version up, doesn't have the icons, but does have the search box, expanded portal matrix, etc. --Go for it! 06:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Angels boot

thanks for bringing that to my attention, I've taken care of it. --W.marsh 18:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Dates

That seems to make a lot of sense. In fact I have lots of ideas for improving the date pages, although at the moment I have been concentrating on creating them first for all of 2003, 2004 and 2005 (which is taking a while because of my lack of time for the project. Rest I assured I will cats for the remaining months as I do them but be warned I may create pages for a month and then go back and cats - it will be a more efficient use of copynpaste that way. Thanks for the interest. Pcb21 Pete 20:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Cat on GDL

Note that I have changed this category from Category:History of Poland. I was depopulating this category, moving various articles to related subcategories (or simply moving out of that category, if connection with Polish history was non-existent). Category:Polish historical regions, in my understanding, is supposed to collect all physical places connected with Polish history, and GDL was a part of PLC, after all. I am not happy with the name of current category, and that it lumps things like former voivodships, non-existent villages and old castles in one place, but I think it is a step in the right direction. On the other hand, as GDL article is more of a former state then a place article, perhaps I was too hasty here. Do you think History of Poland (1569–1795) would be more appopriate?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Šarūnas Jasikevičius

Hey, you wanted my input on if the Jasikevicius pronounciation sounded good.

To this Pacers fan, sounds just about dead on, though in the U.S. we tend to simplify the pronunciation slightly. Not really sure how to be much more specific than that.

But I like it, sounds great, and if that's the Lithuanian way of pronouncing it, let's go with it! ekedolphin 06:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Lietuvos istoriniai įvykiai

Laba, ka manai apie straipsnių "Vasario 16-oji" ir "Kovo 11-oji" sukūrimą? Tai istorinės datos, be kurių Wiki apie Lietuvą nepilna :) eLNuko 16:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Would you allow me the honor?

I would like to nominate you to be a Wikipedia Administrator. I noticed you recently declined a nomination, yet hope that you will reconsider and allow me to do the honors. Durin seems to have his hands full, and I believe you would make a wonderful sysadmin. Please see the nomination I wrote for you at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Renata3 (2). It would be my pleasure and a privilege to nominate you. Sincerely, --Go for it! 17:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that is very kind of you. You should complete the formatting - i.e. remove <nowiki> tags. Give me some time to think about it. Renata 17:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I was waiting for your reply to activate the timestamp, but as per your request, the formatting is now complete. I humbly await your response. --Go for it! 23:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Dėkui už paramą

Dėkui už paramą ir išlaikomą ramybę :) . Jei priimsi pasiūlymą dėl tapimo administratore aš jį paremsiu. DeirYassin 17:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Darn, that was fast

Hey, no problem! :) Cheers, Sango123 (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured lists

I'm glad to see I'm not the only nut asking people to properly format their web references. :-) <rant> It tends to annoy me when people come with this "oh, but this is only a list" attitude and think of it as a license to not do proper work... </rant>

On an unrelated note, I see the public is clamoring for you to become and admin. I think it was a wise decision to wait for Durin's assessment. I'm quite sure your patience will be rewarded. Cheers! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

TVRage.com

There has been no specific reason given for TvRage to be deleted from Wikipedia. We were listed once before, but were removed because, and I quote, "We were not in Alexa's top 100,000 websites." As of today, we currently rank #75,899. Link for proof: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=tvrage.com . Our recent discussions of being netural have been taken care of, as I personally went through and removed all the comments that were addressed by the user. We have met every single demand Wikipedia has thrown at us, and yet the website is still be demanded to be deleted. I demand to know why we have been brought up for deletion again! And we want actual reasons why, not just some biast user demanding we be removed because they don't like us. Or an opposing website demanding we be removed to get rid of competition. JohnQ.Public 06:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

-Response to your response, posted on My Talk page. (I have no idea how this place works as far as PM's go, and whether or not you get an alert. JohnQ.Public 10:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:MOTTO

Hi, I saw you are interested in the project. So I just wanted to let you know that I am actively trying to revive it. See post on Wikipedia talk:Community Portal. Renata 03:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Surely I'll support your idea, good luck! --ShiningEyes 22:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board

I need a second opinion on this: a bunch of the things on the CBB are not news put people looking for help on something. Should we get rid of it and restrict ourselves to news? Or, take a different route from WP:SIGN and welcome such requests?--HereToHelp (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day/week

I started to write procedures for the motto thing... and I caught myself making another bureaucracy with voting systems much like Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week. And then I remebered that it should be fun and easy-going and stress releasing... So I dunno what to do now. I could follow something like Wikipedia:Today's featured article where one man decides what to do (very efficient I should say). But... I dunno... a self-declared tyrant? :) It is very anti-democracy and anti-community and anti-me... So, um, any advice/ideas? Renata 07:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Whatever the procedure, it is probably best to keep it simple. Check out the instructions I wrote for the Tip of the day project. It takes 2 editors to ratify an entry. (Also, as coordinator, I watch over the whole operation and apply a bit of quality control of my own). --Go for it! 00:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

There's another tipster already!

Somebody came by and provided a tip, and is proudly displaying the tipster userbox on his userpage:

This user is a Wikipedia tipster.

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My RFA

Thank you for supporting me in my successful RFA. The admin tools will definitely be handy for dealing with vandalism more swiftly. And, I'm glad to do anything possible to work with you, Go for it!, and others on improving the community portal and help pages. Thanks again. --Aude (talk | contribs) 00:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

About jotvingiai and lt.wikipedia problem

There is false article about Belorrussia history in lt.wikipedia.org - Lukashenka is not a dictator - no mentioning of murdered Baltic tribe Jotvingiai - lived in the south of todays Belorussia. I"ve made some corrections and was immediately attacked and even repressed. So, please study roots of conflict more deep, and only then make decissions against my possition. I'm fighting for basic human rights - freedom of information spreeding and so on. Good luck - UFO -user turbo195.182.77.103 18:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi

How's the motto thing coming along? Have you figured out a system yet? --Go for it! 14:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Newbie tip ideas?

For the tip of the day project, what tips do you think I should write for newbies? --Go for it! 14:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Stone picture

Sure, go ahead and crop it. The problem is that I took the picture at an angle. BTW, is mentioning Polish names of Lithuanian towns really annoying ? I thought it's useful and good to show some common history, good or bad. It's not supposed to imply that Poland was "better" or "worse" than Lithuania or that these places are "Polish", it's only that the names were often historically used because of centuries of Polonization. What do you think ? --_Lysy^talk 21:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

All right, thanks for resonding to this. As I'm sure you've noticed, I'm one of these "hardcore" editors who keep on restoring Polish names every here and there. I'd like to take the opportunity to explain that I'm not doing this in any bad faith and the last thing I wanted would be to suggest that Poland could have any claims etc. (in fact I've never heard of any such claims in Poland). It's only that for one reason or another Lithuania was heavily Polonized for years, we've had centuries of common history and culture. To claim otherwise would be like to pretend that e.g. Wrocław/Breslau/Vroclavas did not have German history and culture. Silly isn't it? Anyway, I just wanted to excuse myself, thanks for understanding. --_Lysy^talk 21:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I share your opinion on using foreign names in the body of the articles. Sometimes it may be pure ignorance but I know a couple of editors (not only Polish) who insist that names should be used according to their historic context. Personally, I find this confusing and sometimes simply POV pushing. Other's mileage may vary, though. --_Lysy^talk 22:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Solicitation

Would you be so kind to peer review List of Mexico City metro stations whenever you get the time for it? You are allowed (entitled!) to release all your constrained FLC nastiness without any hard feelings ;-) Deal? Thank you! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 22:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

¡Gracias!

I highly appreciate the praise (and the review!). Reply is mostly point-like because it's late and I'm feeling a tad too lazy to write brilliant prose. :-) Longish reply because information wants to be free and you deserve to know:

• The copyright status of the logos by themselves is not so clear, so I'm hesitant to include them anywhere else on the list other than the maps (where Carnildo already okayed their inclusion). I'm definitely doing research into the issue in any case.
• I'm asking Panchosama for the original svg, however he's not a frequent editor :-( I may end up redrawing the whole map myself, which shouldn't take more than a day. In any case Carnildo pointed out some problems with the readability of the font, so that needs to be fixed too.
• Train pictures are surprisingly hard to come by, although I'm still looking around for them on the net. If I were in Mexico I'd just spend one weekend snapping my camera away, but sadly that's not the case.
• Thanks for looking into the formatting glitch. I had an idea something like that could happen, but no clue on how to prevent it.

Incidentally, I'm also working on the individual station articles. However it is a long (and honestly, boring) process that must be done systematically; half of my Sandbox is dedicated to it. I finished rewriting the stations in line 2, where I implemented some of the very suggestions you mentioned (logo, ethymology) so if you're really interested start with Metro Cuatro Caminos and read away. Actually I wanted to get this list sorted out first so I can reproduce some of the information in the individual articles. Kind of a central place where to start working from.

Thanks again! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 01:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

More soliciting ;) If you can, could you pop back to WP:FLC to vote fr or against Timeline of first orbital launches by nationality. You have made a number of commetns but not voted, and it has 3 votes for and none against, so is at risk of failing due to lack of interest. Thanks! -- ALoan (Talk) 19:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata

I agree with you on the template, and I'm working on an overall solution. But I had a feeling you'd agree that it (or rather, its content, belonged somewhere on the community portal.  :-) I just placed it where there was room, for the time being. I'm working on an overall fix, because the table format used by the community portal is too finnicky to even describe, and has thwarted my efforts to further modularize the page. So I'm on the hunt for more stable (yet more versatile) code. Unfortunately, all table structures have their ideosyncracies, and the one I've adopted has me confounded on a column spacing problem (see Village Pump, where I've thrown up a column spacing sample to get help).

Now for a question: do you think it would be better to include the Signpost items in their own section (without the template border and extraneous background color), or just include each story as an announcement in the CBB? --Go for it! 12:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Mottos

At first I thought some of them looked more like slogans than mottos, but when I looked up "slogan", I found that slogans and mottos are the same thing. :-) Are they all slated for display except for those you marked "unsuitable"? I'm working on page sectioning, and will let you know when I'm done. --Go for it! 04:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing Latin Phrases

Hi! I looked at the phrases you sent me on my talk page, and I translated them for you. However, a couple of them were imcomplete, or had improper spelling/ phrasing, therefor leading to incorrect translating or improper grammer. Feel free to ask for anything. Nice working w/ you on wiki :) Whatupshorty45 06:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

     Hey no problem! anything else, just holla! Whatupshorty45 20:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

List of municipalities of Portugal

Hello! I've noticed you were the major contributor to the List of municipalities of Lithuania. You also use to participate in the FL candidates page. Inspired on that featured list, I started a major reorganization of the List of municipalities of Portugal, would you please take a quick look on it and tell me if there is anything you would change? It is very incomplete and it will give a lot of work, mainly because there is no table with such data (population, area, density, parishes) compiled on the internet, or at least, I haven't found any. It's like a puzzle and there are only 3 districts complete, when all is finished, I'll make the ranks. I would really thank you if you say something. Regards. Afonso Silva 12:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much Renata! I've read your suggestions and they were really useful.

1. The coats of arms have a regular copyright status, I think, they are uploaded in the commons and are licensed under GNU FDL, as the author allowed them to be used. Anyway, I'll search the Portuguese law in order to find a issue like that one in Lithuania, which is used in the Lithuanian coats of arms, that makes that kind of symbols free of copyright.
2. About the symbols of the parties, you are right, and I've decided to use a color scheme, at the moment it is just applied in the district of Beja. That also makes coalitions easier to illustrate.
3. The ranks will be really difficult, I will think about them again, but I have a method. I'll copy the names of the municipalities and the data to an Excel sheet and then order the values, of course I'll have to place 308 * 3 values by hand in a table, it's hard. I'll consider removing them.
4. I have maps mande by myself, like this one with the ruling parties: Image:Portuguese municipalities parties.PNG. I'll make other about density. I think it is better to create a bigger map to each district and then put them near each table like you suggested, after shrinking the tables.
5. I pay attention to the disambiguation of the links and that will not be a problem as I am working at the same time in placing the infobox in all articles about Portuguese municipalities and in creating the missing articles. I link from the list, so, I'll spot any bad link.
6. About the capital city, that is a problem, because a municipality is not a city and a city may be composed by several parishes but in most cases only by one, and the municipalities have their names, it's a total confusion, I have been discussing that with other Portuguese contributors and we still haven't found a solution.
7. I'll mention the number of parishes, thanks for the suggestion, they are 4261.
8. I'll also use that thing of moving the TOC, that huge space is really ugly.

Thanks again and if you ever need my help, I'll be glad to give it. Regards! Afonso Silva 17:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

• He said terrible things about you, but I'm afraid you'll have to learn Portuguese to understand it. Just kidding. Thanks for the clue, I'll put numbers instead of names, but you are right, it's very confusing. And of course I'm not thinking about creating 4261 articles, hehe, I have a life. This 308 articles are already giving enough trouble. I'll continue building the list and I hope I can ask you for more comments as you are one of the most active list creators I've found in wikipedia. Thanks! Afonso Silva 19:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Motto rules

Ok, I drafted something. I used a lot of ideas fromWikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award. I don't really like it. I need some feedback. Do you think it is too complicated? (I know that the wording is awful and it needs more explanation) Also, it is missing about the overseer. Might I talk you into becoming a co-overseer? In previous link, the "unfit" would need two more votes to be removed. I just tried to organize the list and see what are the results so I could decide something on rules.

BTW0, do you think those unfit are really unfit? BTW1, looks like TotD is gathering some interest. Congrats! :) BTW2, I have one more crazy idea for comm portal... :) BTW3, why you don't have your email enabled? BTW4, WP:WOTTA :) Renata 19:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The goal is to generate a bunch of mottos to include as motto of the day on the Community Portal, right? My advice is to keep it simple. Advertise for motto submissions (the more submissions the better), and then grab a couple people (or advertise for volunteer judges). Three judges should be enough. Have them go over the list and yeah or nay each entry. Those entries that get 2 out of 3 yeahs, get added to the scheduling queue. See Wikipedia:POTD row for an example of a scheduling queue (each page is named by date). Then a template is used with a date variable which automatically displays the motto from the page in the queue with the current day's date. It doesn't matter if there are hundreds of winners. Just stick them in the scheduling queue, and the project will run automatically until the pages run out.

I'd be glad to help.

BTW0: #5 from the "too longs" is a good one (it's Jimbo's main quote, isn't it?) I agree with you on the rest.

BTW1: Thank you. Though we still need more tipsters! What are your favorite Wikitricks?

BTW2: What's your crazy CP idea?

BTW3: I didn't have any reason to enable it, until now that is.  :-) I'll enable it today.

BTW4: IAGIMY YMWF ILFTRYE
Go for it! 21:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

2 Days to Vegas

Why did you want a speedy deletion on 2 Days to Vegas? It was a legit game. --Thorpe | talk 01:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Signpost on the CBB

As per your request to place Signpost in the CBB (rather than in the New featured content section), I've created a test template and have included it on the bulletin board. I've removed the background color but left the box the same. Let me know how you like it. Once we have figured out exactly how you want it to look, then I can approach the Signpost staff with a specific proposal to fork the data to two templates (the current subscription template and the new one for the CBB). --Go for it! 07:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I tried emailing you...

...but all I got was this error message:

"This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users."

As per your (implied) request, I've activated my email. --Go for it! 06:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Royal Consorts of the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England

Hi, I have been trying to improve the list, Royal Consorts of the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England, thanks to your help. However, I am finding it hard to make the table size consitant... can you help? Sotakeit 21:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

When you say to sort out the copyright issue on the list, what exactley is allowed and not allowed... is it just fair use images that are not allowed? Sotakeit 20:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Image problems seem to be sorted out and as for referances, what do I put - I only used Wikipedia to help start the article...? Sotakeit 11:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You're next for my RfA review

Renata, I wanted to let you know that I finally got the person in line in front of you processed and his nomination completed (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cactus.man). I'm slower than the slowest civil servant ;) I apologize, I've just been too back logged with real life to do much in the way of heavy work here. So, you're under my microscope now, and as soon as I get the review done, I'll let you know. I may need to chat with you on IRC to help with this. Do you use #wikipedia IRC? If so, under what nick? Thanks for your patience, --Durin 21:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Latin mottos

As requested, I've gone through the Latin phrases at Renata3/motto. Sorry I took so long, but I've finally got around to doing it, and here are my comments:

1. Ephemera et cetera (Ephemera and the rest)

   ephemera isn't a Latin word as far as I know, and I would remark that many people will be unsure as to the meaning of ephemera, so having it as an official motto may be unwise.

2. Aut disce aut discede. (Either learn or leave)

   No problems. (This is the singular imperative form; the plural would be aut discete aut discedete which might apply if the motto was seen as appealing to the community of Web users or Wikipedians as a whole, whereas the singular addresses the individual reading it.)

3. Conscientia Hominis Universitas or Universitas Hominis Conscientia(Whole/total human consciousness/knowledge)

   Would be better as conscientiae hominis universitas (the whole of human consciousness/knowledge/etc.); universitas is a noun, and can't be used as an adjective. conscientia hominis universita would work, using the adjective universitus.

4. Omne ignotum pro magnifico (Everything unknown is taken for magnificent [1])

   No problems.

5. Caveat lector (Reader, beware of mistakes)

   More accurate translation: let the reader beware

6. Ordo ab Chao. (Order out of chaos.)

   No problems. (Remember that most classical languages had no official upper- and lowercase, which is why most classicists write Latin, Ancient Greek etc. in lowercase, only capitalising the first letter of a word if it were a proper noun such as a name.)

7. Veritas ab Chao (Truth from chaos.)

   No problems. (See #6)

8. Semper ubi sub ubi (Always where under where)

   Used as a joke by classicists and classics students to mean "always wear underwear"; phrase itself is nonsensical.

9. Scientia est Potentia (Latin for "Knowledge is Power")

   No problems. (See #6)

10. Scientia et Sapientia (Latin for "Science and Knowledge")

    scientia is from scio (I know) and sapientia from sapiens (wise); the phrase would therefore be better translated as "knowledge and wisdom". (Also see #6)

11. Scientia in bonus fides (Knowledge in good faith)

    Awful use of cases! The correct phrase would be scientia in bona fide (the preposition in takes the ablative). It makes no difference to the meaning, but how about rearranging it to in bona fide scientia?

12. Humani nihil a nobis alienum (Latin: "Nothing human is alien to us")

    Literally: "nothing of man to us is alien", so it should be OK.

13. Per Populum et Pro Populo (Latin, "by the people and for the people")

    Unsure about the use of per here; when meaning "by", it really signifies the agent of an action, such as "I was clubbed to death by my father with a baseball bat". (Even then, a or ab is mainly used and per is rarely seen.) If I were to use this motto, I would use a populo pro populo, although I still have a huge doubt as to whether it is correct. (Also see #6)

14. Per aspera ad absurdum (Through hardships to the absurd)

    A perfectly good translation; literally, aspera means "desperate times", "hopeless occasions" or anything of that nature.

15. Sapientia et doctrina stabilitas (Wisdom and doctrine steadfastness)

    doctrina used here to mean "knowledge", therefore phrase means "wisdom and knowledge bring stability" or something like that.

16. Rosa rubicundior lilio candidior omnibus formosior semper in te glorior (Rosa rubicundior lilio openly omnibus beauty always upon you to pride oneself)
    • Redder than the rose, whiter than the lilies, fairer than everything, I will always glory in thee. - motto from here.

    lilio is singular, so "whiter than the lily" would be more accurate. omnibus is literally "all things", which I personally think sounds better than "everything", but that's pretty subjunctive as to whether it's preferable. (Oh no! A self-reference!) Also, glorior is present, so I suppose gloriabor (future tense) would be slightly better to use, although both versions are acceptable.

17. Festina Lentes (German equivalent is "Eile mit Weile", don't know the English one; basically means "don't stress yourself too much")

    festina lente - hurry slowly.

Also, "Personal tops" motto number 5 should be "Veni, Vidi, Viki" or "Veni, Vidi, Wiki" - the letter W did not exist in Latin, and to be honest the letter V didn't either - it's used because the letter U (which looks like a V in Latin) doesn't look right when used as the Romans used it as a consonant. Anyway, because it's a U, we usually pronounce "V" like a "W" (try saying "ueni, uidi, uici") but there was definitely no letter W in Latin...

Hope that all made sense. If you have any questions, don't hesistate to follow them up with me.

haz _(user talk)^e 16:17, 11 March 2006

Paris Participation

Hey, sorry for that posting on WP:CBB - That was abusive? Yikes, okay, lesson learned - thanks for catching my error. Can I ask you what you mean by "I see you have some editors interested in france to help you out"? - it's actually this I'm looking for! If you do know anyone, please tell me and I will request their aid.

Thanks,

THEPROMENADER 16:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

your deletion marked as minor

please take care not to mark deletions of other users contributions as minor, if your deletion is a revert. In that case it is more a disput over an article page than a minor edit. [2] regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 05:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

thx for your reply. Currently UTC+0:20 is a little longer. Not redirecting keeps the navigational template. But I can understand that you once made it a redirect. Let real live rule :-) best regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't support vandalism against Balts and Lithuania

Image:Pabalt_kult.png

Attention. This image is from the "Baltų archeologija" journal Nr.1. No copyright in this journal. Free license. This image is under personal attack organised by adminstrator Dirgela and user Qwarc in Lithuanian wikipedia -lt.wikipedia.org - they ignore information about no copyright in the journal.

Image:Balt_vietovard.png

Attention. This image is from the "Baltų archeologija" journal Nr.1. No copyright in this journal. Free license. This image is under personal attack organised by adminstrator Dirgela and user Qwarc in Lithuanian wikipedia -lt.wikipedia.org - they ignore information about no copyright in the journal.

Need a tip on image licensing

If I contact an owner of artwork (or something else) and they provide me with right to use their graphic material on Wikipedia, what combination of tags and copyright should I set?

Esperanza User Page Award

Hi Renata3! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! As you were the first judge to sign up, you've been assigned the first 3 userpages from the shortlist to examine. First of all, pick your favorite one and list it in the finalists section. Then award all 5 finalists 1-10 points in four categories:

• Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
• Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
• Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
• General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are a secret! Email KnowledgeOfSelf with your final scores, using the format on this page. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

Reply to your request

I had written a longish reply the other day, but it got lost after the short database lock-up and a computer crash :( The gist of it was that I think your proposal is a nice idea, but I'm a bit concerned with keeping people interested in the process and of it being a bit bureaucratic. I'd recommend you to cook up something based on the way the people at WP:BJAODN (of all places) select the name of the next page, although that thing is a bit messy and prolly needs a revamp. Still, I think it has more advantages than disadvantages and would reduce the time you may devote to this project substantially. Let me know what you think and good luck! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Susirasinejimas su Europos Parku del nuotrauku

Klausimas:

"Sveiki,

ar jus nieko pries kad jusu internetines svetaines medziaga panaudojau angliskos wikipedijos straipsniui

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europos_Parkas"

Atsakymas: "From: Europos Parkas

zinoma nieko pries nuosirdziai dekome, kad parasete.

Siunciame kelias fotografijas: Magdalena Abakanowicz. Space of Unknown Growth Gintaras Karosas. The Place

gal noresite panaudoti

nuosirdziai,

Lina Europos parkas Tel. 8 5 2377 077 Mobil. 8 698 309 23 www.europosparkas.lt"

Antras laiskas: "Sveiki, Sigitai, paziurejau - viskas atrodo puikiai!

Del licenzijos abejoju - cia yra tokiu autoriniu teisiu subtilybiu su meno kuriniais: del fotografijos taip- mes galime leisti naudoti fotografija, bet reikalas tas, kad autorius cia ne tik fotografijos, pacioje fotografijoje - meno kurinys, o meno kurinio autorius turi neturtine teise i tai, kad visuomet salia fotografijos privalo buti autoriaus vardas ir skulpturos pavadinimas, o sito duodami licenzija laisvai naudoti neuztikrinam.

tai, jei yra grieztesniu licenciju, manau, tiktu labiau.

Lina Europos parkas Tel. 8 5 2377 077 Mobil. 8 698 309 23 www.europosparkas.lt"

Image question

Hi Renata. Does Wikipedia have a policy on images like this: Image:Idres-barzani.jpg? It looks like propaganda, plus it has an attribution on it. (Based on the username of the person who uploaded it (User:Mesoud4), I'd bet this is his work, but copyright isn't the issue I'm concerned with.) Thanks. --Fang Aili 20:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I was trying to wait a while in hopes of not WP:BITE, but.. the propaganda image probably does not belong, and the other at least needs a copyright tag of some sort. --Fang Aili 20:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully this was ok. --Fang Aili 20:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Renata3 has been killed by a truck load of real life

Don't do that again ! Please :->! Even if we don't know each other and most certainly never will, I was shocked quite a bit, when reading your banner with only half-open eyes ... :-> Best regards and good luck in handling your truck load --Gf1961 13:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC) (following your contributions on Lithuania and the other Baltic countries from time to time)

I concur... —Nightstallion (?) 14:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I read it wrong too :/ --Durin 16:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tags - sculptures

Renata, GFDL yra skirta textines informacijos licenzijavimui ("The license was designed for manuals, textbooks, other reference and instructional materials, and documentation which often accompanies GPL software. However, it can be used for any text-based work, regardless of subject matter."). Taigi manau kad GFDL netinka nuotraukoms. Manyciau, kad panasiausia i tai ko pageidauja muziejus, siulo Free Art license. Shi licenzija reikalauja panaudojant kurini nurodyti kur galima rasti originala - to ir pageidavo Europos parkas. Ka manai? Sigitas 17:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

a page in Lithuanian..?

Greetings Renata! Asking for your kind help with an article in Lithuanian (I believe it is?) -- if only you can spare a minute... a glance at Leonavičius Gytis - is it an article? worth translating? (I'm highly suspicious :) but can't be certain.) It is listed here: WP:PNT#Leonavičius Gytis, so if you can, please post there directly, or if more convenient, reply right here (I'll be watching for a couple of days), or at my talk, whichever works best for you. Many thanks - Introvert ~? 09:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Image in my signature

Well I appreciate you pointing that out to me! I'm actually surprised no one did up to this point. I'll remove the image right....--mmeinhart 19:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC) ..away ;-)

Visaginas

If you say this version is "better" than this one, I can not agree.

If you want to use left one - OK, but I prefer to use this right one. So don't delete old version.

Regards Julo 17:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Please take another look

I have tried to address your concerns and the concerns of others at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of largest suspension bridges. I hope you will take another look. Thanks. -- Samuel Wantman 07:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

List of largest suspension bridges

Certainly "it could not be better" is a fine criteria. But, the things that you list mean that it is totally impractical to bring this list to that point, and that seems unreasonable. Here's why:

1. I noticed that your list of cities are manually numbered. This is possible for the list of bridges but with the current state of Wiki software totally impractical. How often do they add a city ranked #2 or #3 on the list? This happens regularly with bridges. If you look at the list, you'll see that the #3 spot was just completed a few months ago. A new #1 spot is beginning construction, as are some other bridges that will be high up on the list. Every time a new bridge opens someone would have to manually renumber the entire list. Frankly, this is something I wouldn't want to do, and if it means this list would never be featured, so be it. I like that the external links bring up the homepages of each bridge and also number the list. I don't see them as references, and there is a note that explains what they are. I could link each to an external page about the bridge, but then some would be linked to home pages, and others would not. I don't see this as an improvement.
2. This list is what is being nominated, not the entire category of suspension bridges. People are complaining about red links, but it is also frowned upon to create two line sub-stubs. I've started creating these stubs, which basically only have the information that is in the list. I think this is silly. Red-links serve an important function. They tell the user that there isn't an article. By me making these sub-stubs, it gives the false impression that there is more information to be found. I'll do this to get the list accepted, but it seems like a bad policy to promote.
3. There are no unverified dates. What gave you the idea that any dates were unverified?
4. There are missing pictures of bridges in obscure places that tourists don't go to. How is anyone going to obtain a GFDL picture of these bridges? This list is unlikely to EVER have a complete set of pictures. Many featured lists have few pictures. If I removed all the pictures and just scattered them here or there it would look like many other featured lists. I don't see that as an improvement. I could shorten the list to include many less bridges and that would make most of the bridges have pictures. This makes the list less usefull and informative for the sake of being prettier.

I am more than willing to work on this list and bring it to a much higher standard. I would appreciate suggestions which are possible to achieve and improve the usefullness of the list. --Samuel Wantman 20:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

• I have fixed the reference section.
• The reason there are duplicate pictures is because the bridges have multiple spans, and they are both in the picture. If I find two pictures of the same bridge, like the double spans of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge I use both of them. But since most of these double and triple bridges are in Japan, I haven't been lucky enough to find more than one good image.
• I don't know how to solve some of the photo problems. Carnildo wants me to figure out who the photographer is of the pictures from Japanese Wikipedia and other foreign languages. I can't read Japanese, my browser doesn't even display it.
• I've been thinking a bit about the external link issue. While I like the way it is, it seems to be problematic to many other people, probably because it is a very unusual way of doing things. So I will bend my position. I'm considering linking the bridges without homepages to the page about the bridge at structurae.de, a good source of information, but an extremely slow site. I notice that most featured lists do not have a cite for each entry. I started doing this because I had to use external references to get auto-numbering, and I saw the same thing being done at List of bridges by length. It seems to be an extra feature that this list could be linked to so many sites, an extra feature that is now being held up to oppose this nomination from becoming a featured list because it is not complete. --Samuel Wantman 09:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Template for deletion discussion you may be interested in

Categories · Glossaries · Lists · Overviews · Portals · Questions · Reference · Site news · A-Z Index

Arts | Biography | Culture | Geography | History | Mathematics | Philosophy | Science | Society | Technology

The above bar, the category-based counterpart to the portal-based Browsebar, is up for deletion. I thought you might want to know about this. --Go for it! 18:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Template

Sorry, but I disagree with you :( Renata 23:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Which may mean I hold the wrong position on this issue. All the more reason to seek your feedback. Thank you for your input.  ;-) --Go for it! 00:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Motto of the day

Your project is ready to roll. Just place mottos from the discussion page into each page listed on the project page, to schedule them for display on the template. (Remove them from the discussion page as you do so, so that they aren't scheduled twice. Don't worry about voting, that can be put in place later for future submissions. If at any time the well runs dry of ideas for new mottos, then the template can be rewritten to display a random motto from the collection. --Go for it! 16:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I am out

For this whole week. I don't think I will be able to catch an hour of sleep this week... :( So I cannot do the motto thingie. If you want to take over - be my guest. Gosh, I cannot wait to graduate :) Renata 23:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

It can wait until you are ready. --Go for it! 23:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

CBB

Did I miss something? where are the CBB archives? That's a glaring problem that needs to be fixed. Also, the CBB needs to be better organized for people reading it. With topic headings, it's much easier for someone to scan and find what interests them. Headings are also very helpful for people using screen readers. The added work is nominal, and I wouldn't mind helping if I knew where the archives are. --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind. I found the archives on the talk page, and commented out on the CBB. I have inserted a link to the Archives on the CBB. Also, as you might be aware, there is some debate about the Community Portal and the design process. While Go for it! has done some nice things with the Community Portal, a number of people disagree with the process he's using and instead favor a collaborative process, with discussion. The CBB, being a key part of the Community Portal, is part of the discussion. Personally, I'd like keep the CBB prominently on the Community Portal, yet not bury everything else that used to be here. We're using a draft version of the community portal to try out options, rather than use the actual Community Portal as a guinea pig for experimenting. Your input to the discussions would be very welcome. Go for it!'s ideas would also be welcome there. --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

FL Tallest structures in Paris

You recently voted oppose for this article's request to become a featured list. The main or sole reason behind your choice to oppose was that there were many red links on the article. This was in the process of being attended to by Metropolitan well before I nominated this article for FL status, so I apologize that the article was not ready to become an FL as of then. Now, though, all but a few red links have been replaced by blue links.

For the time being, your oppose vote has been stricken out because your reason for opposing has been attended to. If you still believe this article should not become a featured list, please de-strike your comment and state a new reason. If you think that because of the lack of red links, it now deserves a support vote, kindly note that below your original vote and write "support". Thank you for your vote on that page. → J@red ^talk+ _ubx  02:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

My (HereToHelp’s) RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA. I’m proud to inform you that it passed with 75 support to 1 oppose to 2 neutral. I promise to make some great edits in the future (with edit summaries!) and use these powers to do all that I can to help. After all, that’s what I’m here for! (You didn’t think I could send a thank you note without a bad joke, could I?) --HereToHelp 13:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Renata

Remeber this? Well, I passed 4000 edits sometime around April 1. :) Cheers. --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 00:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL. Give me a few years! --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 02:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Backlogs

Please see Wikipedia:Cleanup process/Cleanup sorting proposal. I think it could an opportunity to re-introduce wiki-week. Renata 13:38, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up; I made some implementation suggestions there. And my sympathies; I have also been hit by a truckload of real life. -- Beland 03:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Notice

The Community Portal was recently reverted to a version that appeared months ago. Therefore, I've called for a vote to restore to the Community Portal the version that had developed here up until that reversion. There are three drafts competing for the privilege, each representing entirely different approaches, including the current revert version. To show your support for which design should be displayed as the Community Portal, VOTE HERE. Sincerely, --Go for it! 18:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA review

Renata, don't faint from shock...I've finally begun your review for RfA! :) I've done most everything except reviewing your various talk page contributions. That's a highly time consumptive step, since in your case it's hundreds of talk page edits. So, before I go any further, I'd like to ask if you are ready to go up for RfA at this point? I'm asking because I noticed that your studies are burdening you right now, so running a seven day RfA that you'd need to keep daily tabs on might not be the best thing at the moment.

Everything in my review so far is very good. I really like your distribution of edits within the Wikipedia project namespace; you've stuck your fingers into a lot of pies! I also saw you've made 480 contributions to Commons, and another >100 to the Lithuania language Wikipedia. Everything looks very good so far. --Durin 17:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

CBB archiving

I just updated the CBB archives, with everything up to what's presently listed on the CBB. I did that so the Portals, Collaborations, and WikiProjects announcements can say a little more than being just listed, as they are on the CBB (to keep the CBB more concise and compact). I also added a commented notice to the CBB page, asking people who add new items to the CBB to also list it on the archives page. Not sure how well people will follow that and do so. If they don't, I can follow up and take care of it. --Aude (talk | contribs) 20:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)