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Warwick course

Do you have any information on when the Warwick assignment will end? I think several of the articles need cleanup, but it seems best to wait until after the students are finished and have been assessed. Joe Roe (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Joe. I agree cleanup is needed, although I'm trying to encourage the students to do their own by pointing them to MOS and other pages that give guidance. I emailed that very question to the lecturer last week and he's just replied that the deadline is this Thursday 8 Dec, 23:59. He also gave me a link to the course page: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/University_of_Warwick/Human_Sexuality_(Autumn_2016)

I'll ask my contact at Wikimedia UK, Richard Nevell (WMUK) if he could perhaps drop a note to WT:WikiProject Medicine giving those sort of details the next time a course runs. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 16:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I think that would be for the best. I'm surprised to learn a course page exists after all. I see it lists the articles edited, but there's no form of link back to the course page from those articles? Joe Roe (talk) 22:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

No there isn't. Please feel free to express all of your concerns to any of the editors listed on the course page (i.e. not me). --RexxS (talk) 22:58, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello both. In future it would definitely be helpful for me to alert WP:MED. An interesting quirk of the dashboard is that the Education Dashboard automatically creates a page on Wikipedia about it but the Outreach Dashboard doesn't have that functionality (yet) meaning it isn't easy to find when you're starting on Wikipedia itself. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Richard, thanks for that. I did try to alert WikiProject Medicine on 18 November, but I didn't have all of that information. We'll know better next time. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@Richard Nevell (WMUK): thank you for responding. I think notifying relevant WikiProjects is certainly a good idea. But the people who are likely to become involved with this kind of thing first are editors doing WP:NPP, WP:AFC and/or those watching the particular articles being edited. For us it would be really helpful to have a template placed on articles' talk pages indicating that they're part of an educational assignment and linking to a page with contact information. That way when they're being patrolled etc. the community can try to reach out to address potential problems early and avoid messy cleanup after the fact that is problematic for everyone involved. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all this is already recommended by Wikipedia:Student assignments. Joe Roe (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

On the plus side, the student who moved the draft into mainspace originally has just submitted the "final" draft for AfC review and (properly) moved it from his sandbox to Draft: space himself! I'm not hopeful about the notability of the draft, but I'm pleased he's learned how to do the move in line with what the AfC reviewers have been telling him. --RexxS (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Commercial diving supervisors in UK

Hi RexxS, Do you know what the requirements are for registration of commercial diving supervisors in the UK for inshore/inland work (Not IMCA), and if available, for scientific, police and other professional diving. I tried contacting HSE but the fobbed me off with a non-answer, suggesting I apply to IMCA for training, and have not replied to my later queries. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 06:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Peter: As far as I'm aware, commercial divers in the UK are expected to hold at least an 'HSE part 4' qualification. I only have an 'HSE part 4 (restricted)' that allows paid training of recreational divers (not that I've ever used it). The list at http://www.hse.gov.uk/diving/qualifications/approved-list.pdf is where I'd look first to find out information - at least as a starting point. As far as I'm aware, the same qualifications are required for supervisors as are required for divers and stand-bys. To be precise, I don't know of any "registration", just the possession of an appropriate qualification defined by Diving at Work Regulations 1997 is what I understood to be needed. Is that any help?--RexxS (talk) 17:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

DWR 1997 states

Appointment of supervisor
9.—(1) Only one supervisor shall be appointed to supervise a diving operation at any one time.
(2) No person shall be appointed, or shall act, as a supervisor unless he is competent and, where appropriate, suitably qualified to perform the functions of supervisor in respect of the diving operation which he is appointed to supervise.

Does this mean there is no specific qualification for commercial diving supervisors in the UK? The diving contractor can appoint any diver that they consider suitably competent to supervise a diving operation? This may seem normal to you, but I am used to the supervisor having to be specifically trained, assessed, certificated, registered and appointed in writing. It comes as a bit of a culture shock. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 17:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Peter: I could certainly be wrong, but I always understood that experienced divers would take on the job of supervising other divers as a sort of natural progression – after all, there's no substitute for experience in the job itself for those sort of roles. In other words, the responsibility for appointing a competent person would rest with the contractors, so maybe there is training available, but I'm not aware of any registration. One of the oldest training centres that I know, Fort William, offers a range of courses, but searching their courses for "supervisor" brings up nothing specifically for the sort of supervisor I think you mean. You can look at IMCA courses like IMCA Trainee Air Diving Supervisor, but I didn't think that's what you were thinking of. --RexxS (talk) 18:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I am familiar with the IMCA requirements and registration, our scuba and inshore supervisor training and registration is similar in concept, and as far as I know so are the systems in Australia, Canada, Norway, The Netherlands and possibly others. Since our diver training and registration system was originally modeled on the UK system I thought that would also be the case for supervisors, but it would seem not. Live and learn. There is quite a big step between diving and supervising a dive in terms of personnel management, risk management, logistics and legal responsibility, and not all commercial divers are suitable for the supervisory responsibilities, just like not all supervisors are able to deal with the educational and administrative aspects of running a dive school, and generally need additional training. I have mailed Fort William to ask if they can give me a more definite answer. • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:42, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

@Peter: Yes, I'd be surprised if Fort William weren't able to give you a definitive answer. I understand completely what you're saying about suitability of people for different tasks. Perhaps the potential liability and requirements for risk analysis that contractors will be aware of makes them more careful in selecting personnel for jobs. Whether that is an adequate substitute for additional specific training is debatable. I suppose it may be a consequence of the UK's long tradition of "on-the-job"/informal training for vocational education. --RexxS (talk) 19:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Wordsighn here

I want to have a helpful user page Wordsighn (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I kind of like the white background Wordsighn (talk) 20:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@Wordsighn: I've started you off with a simple template that helps you organise your user page. If you like it, keep it and fill in something about yourself - your interests, but not personal information! If you don't like it just revert it and I'll think again tomorrow. --RexxS (talk) 21:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!!!!!!! Wordsighn (talk) 02:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Your brilliant tip for a new editor

That was really, really well expressed. Mind if I use it where appropriate? Doug Weller talk 11:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

When I read your post I thought "he'd be an excellent teacher" and now that I've looked at your user page I see why I thought that. Doug Weller talk 11:51, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, Doug, please feel free to make use of anything I write, anytime. All the best for the festive season! --RexxS (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, and the same to you and yours. Doug Weller talk 19:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

🎄

Dino, supposing I want to hide the horse and the flower meadow at the top of my page for a while, having realised that it's no longer midsummer, and put a single little character there instead, namely 🎄 ? Not sure it would look as cute as I'd hope, but I'd like to take a look and see. But how do I get it to sit in the middle (left-right)? Bishonen | talk 18:36, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

PS, or maybe this: ☠, slightly embiggened? Bishonen | talk 18:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

@Chère: I've hidden the meadow using the usual <!-- ... --> to enclose it.

The 🎄 doesn't look cute on its own at normal size. It looks more like a smudge on the screen. I tried to wipe it off twice. However. if you set its font-size to 200% (or more) it starts to resemble something.

I've added the Darwinbish symbol as well, but it's hidden for now - you can try it out to see what you like best. Just increase the 300% to further embiggen it. --RexxS (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

That looks cool, thank you. I'm hoping people will put some tiny presents under my tree! (Note: I like chocolate, but I like liquorice more.) But I don't understand why the TOC, rocking on its single nail, starts so far down. If it's DHeyward's userbox barnstar pushing it down, how does it do that? Could you hammer in the nail a little higher, please? Say, so it starts more or less on a line with the start of the barnstar? (Don't you agree it would look better? I want people to see there is a TOC, not just fun and games. Though I suppose I'll have to archive again soon. Sigh.) Bishonen | talk 19:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Love it! Perfect! Bishonen | talk 19:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

(edit conflict) I've moved the nail and tidied up a bit. It probably needs a little archiving now, although I suppose I could move the nail a couple of centimetres to the right. --RexxS (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

It's like everything else...

Protection is always going to be a balance between the disruption and contribution of excluded editors. RfA is no exception, I'm sure. But no, I don't actually think there is nearly enough current disruption to warrant semi. I just wanted to point out that it was...a bit excessive to suggest ECP. TimothyJosephWood 16:01, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, I understood that, Timothy, and I'm sorry I gave the impression I was replying to you. I was just lazy in not pinging Marvellous Spider-Man whose suggestion I was aiming at. I could have dropped the indenting to indicate that, of course, but bifurcation sometimes complicates those discussions too much. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 17:18, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to all!

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User page

Hey RexxS my friend is having trouble with his user page . His user name Is Tarzan101 .he is my friend and I am not using two user name accounts. He is just having trouble with his user page and needs help . He does not know how to chat so he asked me to contact you . Wordsighn (talk) 00:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Wordsighn. Did you mean User:Tarzan 101? The space makes a difference. If so, he's found his sandbox and is practising there. I've left him a welcome on his talk page with an invitation to the The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a nice starting point. You could encourage him to create his user page and put the {{new user bar}} on it to start him off. --RexxS (talk) 17:29, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks I will help him. Thank . Wordsighn (talk) 15:05, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Reference repairs

Hi RexxS, regarding this edit, the reason why I replaced the citation link to the complete chapter of a book with a googlebook reference, was to avoid a potential copyright violation, see here restrictions. I don't have a fascination with googlebooks but the cite book details do provide immunity from linkrot. A rationale for the use of the vauthors parameter may be found here I try to use Vauthors where possibble as it doesn't carry unnecessary parameter overhead. Regards CV9933 (talk) 11:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

@CV9933: Yes, I assumed that you were concerned about possible copyright violations, but please stop and consider for a minute: how is the version on Goggle books any less of a copyright violation than what is available at www.oxygenrescuecarecentersofamerica.com? At least with the latter, there's a slim chance that they have permission from the authors; we know how Google calls the tune with its "Partner Program" that is a long way from being a copyright release. There are details in this essay: Wikipedia:Google Books and Metadata Errors if you're interested in the issues. Link rot doesn't exist for books, of course, unless all the libraries are eventually closed. If you look the book in question, it is actually cited in full in Hyperbaric medicine #Further reading. We are supposed to cite the source that we read when adding the content it supports. It would seem obvious that Alexbrn didn't consult the 2016 (sixth) edition of Textbook of Hyperbaric Medicine that you cited when he added the reference on 14 February 2015 (if he did, I want to have a word with him about some lottery numbers). Did you check that our content was supported by the text of the sixth edition you read? If so, then feel free to re-do the reference – I won't re-revert – but please don't use ISO dates for publication; that's never been usual practice and that format is not used in running text, so there's no argument for using it in references - we hardly need to save space.

As for |vauthors=, I disagree that there is any problem with "parameter overhead". Changing last, first to vauthors involves a loss of data granularity and hard-codes the separator, meaning it is no longer portable between "cite xyz" style and "citation" style templates, potentially making more work for editors who may wish to re-use citations in other articles which use different styles. Hope that helps. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello? what? lottery tickets? I don't think I've ever cited the Textbook of Hyperbaric Medicine have I? Alexbrn (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Alexbrn, my mistake, you cited "Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy" by the ACS. The "Textbook of Hyperbaric Medicine" book was cited by Peter Southwood. I thought it would be a feat of fortune-telling to cite a 2016 edition in a 2015 edit, hence the interest in predicting lottery tickets. <grin /> --RexxS (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Here We Come A-wassailing

Merry Christmas! Better not open the box! The Bishonen Conglomerate talk 11:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC).

Merry Christmas

	Merry Christmas RexxS!!
	Hi RexxS, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 15:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2016

Merry Cristmas everybody!!!

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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It's a wonderful time of the year!

Christmas tree worms live under the sea...they hide in their shells when they see me, So with camera in hand I captured a few, and decorated them to share with you. Atsme📞📧 15:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Wrappers and infoboxes

Ron Turcotte
Ron Turcotte at the 2014 Belmont Stakes
Nickname	"Ron's Nickname"
Occupation	Jockey
Born	(1941-07-22) July 22, 1941 Drummond, New Brunswick Canada
Nationality	Canadian
Spouse	Mrs Turcotte
Children	Four daughters
Career winnings	Loadsa Money
Career wins	3,032
Major racing wins
Breeders' Stakes (1962) Coronation Futurity Stakes (1963) ... Stars and Stripes Turf Handicap (1978) American Classic Race wins: Kentucky Derby (1972 & 1973) Preakness Stakes (1965 & 1973) Belmont Stakes (1972 & 1973)
Racing awards
Leading jockey at Woodbine Racetrack (1962, 1963) United States Triple Crown (1973) ... Avelino Gomez Memorial Award (1984)
Honors
New Brunswick Sports Hall of Fame (1973) Order of Canada (1974) ... Long Island Sports Hall of Fame (1990)
Significant horses
Arts and Letters, Crafty Lace, ..., Upper Case

Hi RexxS. It came to my attention today that {{Infobox horseracing personality}} apparently cannot call upon Infobox person for certain parameters, such as birth name, internment location, nicknames, family info, etc. It has several specialized parameters necessary for the topic, but I'm wondering if there is a way to insert a bit of code so that if people add extra parameters they will show up in the box. I don't know precisely what a "wrapper" is, or how complicated it can be, but... help? Montanabw^(talk) 04:56, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Montanabw: An infobox can be made by basing it directly on the core template {{Infobox}}, as {{Infobox horseracing personality}} does. An alternative would have been to base it on a more generic version of a similar infobox such as {{Infobox person}}, in the way that {{Infobox medical person}} does, for example – we call {Infobox medical person} a "wrapper" for {Infobox person}. When changes are made to {Infobox person}, they become available to all of its wrappers, so it lowers the maintenance overhead.

Option 1: We could re-write {Infobox horseracing personality} to base it on {Infobox person} and make all of the parameters in that available to it. However, it would be a struggle to convince the maintainers of {Infobox person} to add the parameters |career wins=, |race=, |awards=, etc. We could collect those together into what we think of as a "module" as a way round, but we'd still run into difficulties such as the use of |honors= for two different things in the two infoboxes.

Option 2: It's probably easiest then just to add the extra parameters that you want directly to {Infobox horseracing personality}. If you give me a list of them and the positions where you want them, I'll do the job – it should only take a few minutes (although updating the documentation will take rather longer). Cheers --RexxS (talk) 14:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

First off, we need a parameter so that US folks can type "honors" instead of"honours" and it will show up. The ones I see most often used and not showing up include Nationality, spouse/children (whatever the language consensus for SO and kids is this week), Career winnings (we have record, winnings is an optional thing to add, we do for horses), perhaps religion and rather than "native name," which is loaded, let's use the generic consensus for birth name, or other names or nicknames, or whatever. Oh yes, and possibly a "nickname" parameter. Montanabw^(talk) 20:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Montanabw: I've added |career winnings=, |children=, |nationality=, |spouse=, |nickname= and |honors=. I have no idea what order you want them in (despite asking :P), so I've guessed. You already have native_name, fullname, other_names, but I'm loathe to remove native_name until we can check what articles use it. That's a job for another day.

Please be aware that there's a load of debate about naming spouses and children who are not independently notable. There's a presumption that there's a right to privacy. So be careful how those are used. See Template talk:Infobox person #RFC.

Recent RfCs have decided that {{Infobox person}} shouldn't have "ethnicity", "religion", or "denomination" parameters. I'd strongly advise against incorporating those for now. See Template talk:Infobox person #Ethnicity? Religion?.

Here's a demo of the infobox from Ron Turcotte with some made-up values. Note the 'Honors' heading. What's next? --RexxS (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

WD template again

This template insertion showed an inconsistency between local and Wikidata values for year of birth (we said 1872, WD said 1868). It's sourced here and not there, so I updated the Wikidata entry to show year of birth as 1872. But now after I've purged the page here, it displays as 1871 - why? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nikki, the devs of Wikidata decided it was a good idea to store a year like 1872 as "+1872-00-00T00:00:00Z", which translates to midnight on the 0th day of the 0th month of 1872. Unfortunately the standard date handling libraries available treat that as the day before 1 January 1872, i.e. 31 December 1871, which is returned as 1871 of course. I did provide a fix for that some time ago, but that function isn't used now, in an attempt to make it compatible with the German version. I've stopped trying to fix the module and I'm simply fixing the Wikidata which really ought not to be storing invalid data in the first place. I just set the date to 1 January (or anything) in that year and then set the precision back to 'year' manually. The infobox in Vasil Glavinov displays correctly now. --RexxS (talk) 03:25, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

RexxS

Thanks RexxS and have a happy new year! Wordsighn (talk) 20:39, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Wordsighn. Happy New Year to you too. --RexxS (talk) 18:44, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

It feels a little late for a watchlist "thank" for this, which I've just noticed, so here I am. I'm grateful for your generosity, diligence and wisdom here. And, while I'm at it, thank you also for your intelligent contributions to the current email conversation. We're blessed having you here on en and on the WPMEDF board. All the best for 2017. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 16:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind words, Anthony. I hope you know how much I've valued your contributions over so many years as well. Here's to a happy and productive 2017 for all of us. --RexxS (talk) 18:52, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	Merry Christmas
	Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Neigh

Xmas card

Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, RexxS!

"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC)

New year!

Half an hour till 2017!!!!!! Wordsighn (talk) 04:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year RexxS!

Happy New Year!

RexxS,
Have a prosperous, productive and wonderful New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

--Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 11:55, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, RexxS!

Happy New Year!

RexxS,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
–Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 12:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Hello

Hey RexxS how are you doing? Did ya have a good new years ? Well I got a problem ..... that stencil that I have on my user page is not letting me fill it in.. ya know What to do??? Wordsighn (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Dive boat

Did some work expanding and referencing. Would appreciate your comments and suggestions, particularly if anything important or obvious has been left out. Cheers • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 18:05, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Infobox racehorse Modules

I have not yet learned how to ping so here is a link to comments I posted at Template talk:Infobox racehorse. Mateusz K (talk) 00:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I posted the following to Template talk:Infobox racehorse:

In its present form the Infobox racehorse is getting close, but still not acceptable. As per the sample box above, the "Gait" must be immediately below "Breed". That is a basic and integral design element in all professional presentations and individuals reading Wikipedia expect to see either Trot or Pace immediately after Breed and not have to look around to find it as though it were an afterthought. So, I will request RexxS do this.

I'm assuming it is technically possible so if you could take care of this that would be helpful. Thanks. Mateusz K (talk) 00:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

St Edward the Confessor Church, Romford

Hi RexxS, and a happy New Year to you. On the above, how do you add the "listed building status" parameter to the iBox? I've seen it on other articles and I like its prominence. I've tried in the edit and preview screen but keep managing to cock it up. Cassianto^Talk 16:59, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cassianto: Happy New Year to you too! The {{Infobox church}} doesn't have a parameter for "listed building status" - it seems the folks who maintain the template want to keep the number of parameters down to a minimum, which is reasonable. Yet many churches must be listed, so there must be a solution. The way I usually try to figure these out is to look for a good example and see how it was done there. If you check York Minster you'll see that there is a sub-template called {{infobox designation list}} which is embedded in the church infobox and that is what provides the designation. I've placed a blank copy in the infobox at St Edward the Confessor Church, Romford ready for you to fill in. York Minster should give you an idea of what's needed. Please let me know if you have any problems - I'll keep it on my watchlist. --RexxS (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks a lot, now done. Yes, I'd have said it was a parameter worth having. Despite the fact it is a church, I'd have said the article is more about the architecture, which is why I started it. I couldn't give a fig about what type of building it is, more so the fact it exists than anything else. So for Snaresbrook Crown Court, a very underrated building by Gilbert Scott, and another I started from scratch, what would be the most appropriate box for that? I'll have a look and implement it based on it's merits. Regards, Cassianto^Talk 18:39, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cassianto: I'm glad that's working. I must admit I'm no expert on what infobox is best to use (despite rumours to the contrary, I really don't add many to articles). I'll ping Andy for his advice. Obviously I can suggest {{Infobox building}} as a starting point. Ah - I just noticed, there a navigation template at the bottom of that page. Well, I can't see a specific one for a Crown Court. It's in the nature of Wikipedia, I think, not to have a Template:Infobox law court, but to have a Template:Infobox desalination plant. If {{Infobox building}} doesn't have the parameters you need, I could make a template {infobox law court} for you to include the ones you want. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Infobox church has |heritage designation= (and |designated date=) for that purpose; see, for example, St Alban the Martyr, Birmingham. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure that would be a good choice for Snaresbrook Crown Court, Andy. What would you use for that? --RexxS (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

{{Infobox court}}, surely? Although on a dip-sample, the London courts all appear to be infobox-free (even the substantive articles like Old Bailey) so you may want to leave it off for the sake of consistency. ‑ Iridescent 23:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Iridescent. I didn't know about that infobox template - and it's not mentioned at {{Buildings and structures infobox templates}}, although that may be because it seems more focused on the work of the court than on the building that houses it. It's only in use at around 30 articles. --RexxS (talk) 23:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I was replying to your comment about Infobox church, and the - unnecessary - use of Infobox designation list. for the court, Infobox building. (Infobox court is for the organisation that sits there, not the bricks and mortar). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Iridescent. I've looked at the box I could use for SCC and it is indeed pretty pointless, especially seeing as none of the other courts use it. I'm happy to leave it without. As far as the designation for the church goes, I see it was already there, but I missed it, which supports my case for the designation list as it is now more prominant. I don't consider it to be "unnecessary" at all. Cassianto^Talk 09:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

"420" collaboration

Hey, not sure if you'd be interested in contributing personally or not, but some WikiProject Cannabis members are organizing a 420 collaboration in April. I know some people hear 'cannabis' and immediately envision lazy stoners, but I'd like to get as much community buy-in for this collaboration as possible so we can improve many Wikipedia articles. My hope is that you and Wiki Project Med will support our efforts, especially by improving articles related to medical marijuana and health. I'll be pinging other Wiki Project Med board members and participants for help, too, but just wanted to give you a heads up. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Confused

I've been making changes to infobox person, removing religion as depreciated and replacing it with denomination as the template's documentation instructed, now I see both parameters have been removed. Confused, - Mlpearc (open channel) 14:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for trying, but the outcome of the Religion in biographical infoboxes RfC, last April, was to remove both parameters, not to replace |religion= with |denomination=. I'm sorry the documentation was not amended to be clearer about the result. There has been considerable discussion at Template talk:Infobox person #Ethnicity? Religion? on how to manage the removal of the parameters (along with removing ethnicity per the parallel RfC). Does that clear it up for you? --RexxS (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. - Mlpearc (open channel) 16:46, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Infobox horse breed

Updated the documentation, fix what I broke? Also, note at WPEQ talk that now the name of the breed is outside the border and we had it inside... Montanabw^(talk) 20:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done I've made a full reply at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Equine #Sandboxing so everyone can see and chip in. --RexxS (talk) 20:44, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I'd consider this box to be more suitable, Montanabw. Cassianto^Talk 20:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

LOL, Cassianto! Montanabw^(talk) 17:52, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person

Hi! You have disabled "Religion" parameter from the template. Should this parameter be removed from wiki-biographies or not? Hope for your kind response, thanks! M. Billoo 09:33, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi M.Billoo2000, The outcome of the Religion in biographical infoboxes RfC, last April, was to remove both |religion= and |denomination= parameters. There has been considerable discussion at Template talk:Infobox person #Ethnicity? Religion? on how to manage the removal of the parameters (along with removing ethnicity per the parallel RfC). I don't have any opinion on whether or not to spend time removing the actual values from articles which use {{infobox person}}. If you want to look at the size of the task, I created a tracking category Category:Infobox person using religion, but it's the sort of job that a bot can do faster and more efficiently. Hope that helps --RexxS (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Infobox animal breed

Hi, RexxS! I'm not sure if I ever thanked you nearly enough for your time and patience during the infobox horse breed update. Just in case, thank you again! However, I'm still concerned that something (I dunno what) has changed for the worse in the animal breed box. Example at Tiense Vechter, where no matter what I do I can't get "Female" to move down from the second to the third line of the weight field. I may be wrong, but I don't remember that being a problem before. It's not urgent, but could you perhaps take a look if you ever have a spare moment? Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, yes, it was I who changed the way the heights and weights displayed. As they are semantically a list, I used the {{unbulleted list}} template in {{infobox animal breed}} to display whatever combination of weight/male weight/female weight was supplied (and the same for height). However, because the actual values are floated to the right when male and female weights are used, whenever you use <br> for multiple values of male weight, the 'Female' label can start on the same line as the last value of the male weight. I've fixed that now so that the 'Female' label has to start on its own line (and the same for heights). Hope that solves the problem for you – and please don't hesitate to ask if there's anything else that's causing issues with those templates. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 02:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)