Rhonda.R.Shearer
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Jared Diamond
editRegarding your recent edit to the Jared Diamond article, you cannot accuse someone of "falsely" making claims without (at the very least) a supporting citation that clearly says so. The Observer article says that the story was amended, but doesn't say anything about any claims Diamond made one way or the other. In addition, people are strongly advised to avoid editing articles concerning topics with which they are closely associated. Please see our policy on biographies of living people and our conflict of interest guidelines. Thanks. Guettarda (talk) 22:03, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
The original Observer story quoted Diamond,"That was the first and only time I have been sued. I am happy to say the case was dismissed." This was an untruth and it therefore was deleted and corrected by The Observer. (I have the original screen save and the public editor's comments in a document showing this cross out). Those were Diamond published words. That is the evidence.
In Diamond's new book "The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn from Traditional Societies?" (page 88), despite the international media storm about the lawsuit, he claims, "in my lifetime I have become involved in three civil disputes-with a cabinet maker, with a swimming-pool contractor, and with a real estate agent." No mention of being sued for $10 million! This and the Wikipedia page on Diamond has be sanitized. An entire section on his legal controversy has been scrubbed just as he scrubbed it from his new book. I thought Wikipedia watched over such sanitizing?
I plan to upload the legal documents related to: SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK COUNTY OF NEW YORK: Henep Isum Mandingo and Hup Daniel Wemp, Plaintiffs, Against, Advance Publications, Inc. and Jared Diamond, Defendants. Any other advice?
It is transparent who I am by my name. Is there any other step I should do so I may update this page with legal documents, photographs and media articles that have disappeared? The New Yorker and Diamond being sued by tribesmen in New Guinea for libel per se is unique and significant in the history of American media. Fact is the case held up and wasn't dismissed for lack of merit in the 14 months before it was withdrawn, The Observer said, due to the tribesmen lawyer's death Rhonda.R.Shearer (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC) death.
- Please see the links I supplied. Per the COI guidelines, the article talk page is a good place to discuss changes to an article you're close to. As for the legal documents, generally speaking we can't use them. Final rulings, yes, but filings aren't acceptable, not for biographies of people who are alive. See Wikipedia:BLP#Misuse_of_primary_sources. Guettarda (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay I read this about primary sourcing--"Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies." However, you cut the reference that I added from Forbes, no doubt an authoritative source.
There is no information for readers about this legal case. The only article cited in this Diamond entry about the law suit is behind a pay wall. This assures that no one will know anything of this widely reported lawsuit from Wikipedia.
In addition, I have added information that is contained in the Forbes report and you delete it. You do not allow mention of the two tribesmen names nor the reason why they sued--all widely reported and cited in Forbes. Why would I or others add more citations when you deleted the Forbes report?
I also provided the evidence that you said was missing before to support Diamond's false statement in The Observer about the case being dismissed, that The Observer deleted and corrected. Yet you delete this too. Why? An entire separate section on this case was deleted a while back after being there for years. I am looking it up now and will post here. Rhonda.R.Shearer (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Rhonda.R.Shearer (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- In response to your message on my talk page, I regret that I will be unable to participate in the current discussion in any detail or depth, due to other responsibilities on WP and elsewhere. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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