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October 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Christina Billotte, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Christina Billotte

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Christina Billotte. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

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Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi RiotGrrl91. You'll see that I have put in an argument for keeping the Christine Billotte article. Hopefully it will escape the deletion button. Looking back over the history of the article it's evident that your edits are of good faith, if a little clumsy. It's also evident that you are learning fast and getting the hang of it. It's unfortunate that your first efforts should run into problems, but I hope you will appreciate the fact that your enthusiasm for the subject may well have led you to overstep the bounds of what is a reasonable contribution to an encyclopedic work. Using people searches to establish residence is particularly egregious. However much of your other contributions to the article are valid and, as far as the nitpicking over references goes, you'll just have to roll with it and drop the refs right in the middle of sentences after the salient facts and not the end - I know it looks untidy but if you are on the spot for verifiability it has to be done. Remember also that keeping a neutral point of view is vital if you want your edits to live long and prosper, as is avoiding peacock terms. Lastly always give good edit summaries! Given that I am sure you have plenty of happy editing ahead. Have a look at featured articles, including their histories, to get a better idea of how things go. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Wwwhatsup. I will keep all of your recommendations in mind next time I try to edit. I just am a huge fan of Christina I guess I got a bit overzealous on landing that scoop! Thanks again. RiotGrrl91 (talk) 06:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I've done a rewrite on the article. Note the use of templates for the refs. There's still not a really definitive source that details her direct involvement in riot grrrl. Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a much more thorough article now. I have a copy of the very first "Riot Grrrl No.1 zine" and she is a contributor to it. I don't think that this zine has been published on the internet in its entirety. Does this mean that it is a worthless reference? RiotGrrl91 (talk) 08:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The zine itself is not really an authoritative secondary source, but if it was repro'd on the net it could be referenced I guess. The place of residence is not material to the article, the reference is out of date, and quite obviously user Lucyism objects to its inclusion. You should let that go. Wwwhatsup (talk) 03:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)