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It doesn't refer to a disambig page any more :-P Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it can be quite a trial "down the slots", even when you're a famous female British computer scientist. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I'd better stop editing the article now before somebody drags me to ANI accusing me of creating a shrine to Sophie Wilson, and guts half of BBC Micro (although gutting a BBC is the hallmark of a dedicated hardware hacker, so maybe it's okay). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:47, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, you might as well stick to tiny male articles. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC) p.s. 'ere, mate, I 'ad one of them pitted fig-trees once. But it got redirected to "teeny pussies". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I was just checking that Sonia Poulton (best known for being called a "zebra in a wig" by Katie Hopkins) was still a blue link (it is) and thought of the "Tara Test". Basically, like WP:DUMPY, it means that a BLP on a female subject has to have achieved as much as Tara Thingumybob to get an article. Maybe when the dramah has died down a bit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, yah! I mean like totes, dude. And major lolz fwaaar, fwaaar!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Auntie Ruth would have sorted the pair of them out, probably by throwing them out into the snow at 5am claiming they were having too much fun. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Barmouth Bridge

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Neelix

Love your point. I suggest adding to it "especially for a high edit count editor" or similar. Legacypac (talk) 12:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I prefer what I've written, which states a general principle - any admin with about 4 years standing should be aware of WP:INVOLVED. While you're here (and since I've kind of mocked it two sections above), I for one am getting tired of hearing about Neelix and Tara Teng and would quite happily wish never to hear about the pair ever again.

I was watching Black Book recently (great film, highly recommended) and near the end there is a scene where the local community, free from repression against the Nazis following VE Day, round a bunch of collaborators up and heap physical abuse on them, until the British and Canadian army come in and say "you lot are as bad as the the Nazis!" and that's the situation I feel we're getting towards on ANI and elsewhere now. I know many eyes and bodies have been hard at work clearing things up, and it's only natural to feel extreme annoyance at who caused it just as much as I get annoyed as people who leave stale coffee cups around the office or think fire extinguishers are things you prop doors open with, but you should take care not to turn that annoyance into personal animosity. For instance, you wrote here "where are the sources" - the manual of style for plot summaries states "The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations" and I noticed an arb reformatted your evidence to be less accusatory, and that's a good thing in my view.

Someone (I think it was NE Ent but I can't remember) said the minute the peanut gallery on ANI decides you are a "villain", people will pounce on you left, right and centre - it's happened to Neelix; don't let it happen to you as well! Now, I've really got to get back to finishing work on Oxford Street and throw a few more London street GA reviews on the pile, as it's been too long since I've done some serious writing here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

You didn't wade through 100,000 byes of the article, most of the sources and many related articles to clean up a real world mess. If I was the target of that article I'd call the police. Legacypac (talk) 12:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Are you seriously suggesting that Neelix is in the same league as Robert John Bardo, Margaret Mary Ray or Mark David Chapman? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Where is the claim of significance?

I strongly disagree that there is any claim of significance in "Dylan Attwell (born Ballarat, Victoria, Australia 4 July 1998) is an Australian Rules Football player in the Ballarat Football League (BFL). He plays for the Sebastopol Kookaburras". If it was "Dylan Attwell works at McDonalds" or "attends XYZ University" are they claims of significance? Of course not. If it said "won an award" or "is the best player in the BFL", then yes, I'd agree with you, that's a claim of significance - which I know is less that a claim of notability. But WP:CCS says that the claim should "lead to notability" - and just saying you play in that league is no such claim. You said it "has a claim to meet WP:NSPORTS", which generally says "professional leagues" (the BFL is nowhere near being a fully professional league) and specifically WP:NAFL states for Australian rules football that only playing in the Australian Football League or having received significant awards in state leagues (which are still a level above the regional leagues like the BFL) are notable. Decisions like this are just wasting all of our time, and letting Wikipedia be used for a vanity page for another week. Please reconsider, or just stick to topics that you understand what significance actually is. This is an unreferenced BLP of a 17 year old. I think there should be a special CSD category for articles on minors. But it always gets shouted down that A7, G10 & BLPPROD are enough. We shouldn't let stuff like this hang around for no reason. Regards, The-Pope (talk) 12:35, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Send it to AfD then. If I remember to !vote in it I'll go with redirecting to the football league's article per WP:BLP1E. And unless the article is a copyright violation or defames a living person, it doesn't hurt for it to hang around for week. Having an insatiable appetite to delete other people's work bites newbies and scare people away from contributing to Wikipedia, so don't! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Given the reason for articles on minors is normally either vanity or to embarrass the guy, I hope you keep a very close eye on it for the next week, in case any of his mates decide to "enhance" his article. "Doesn't hurt" is an appalling attitude to keep non-notable U-BLPs of minors and does nothing to enhance the reputation of this site. Sending it to AFD still means it's here for a week, and it gets google indexed, mirrored, etc. That's the point of CSD, get rid of the obvious articles that don't belong. And as the article creator hasn't even responded to the BLP Prod that was placed 7 minutes after the article was created, I think newbie biting isn't really an issue here - not by me at least. As for redirecting it to the league article, you're joking aren't you? Thousands of players, all of whom have other real jobs, play in that league. None of them other than some medal winners are mentioned on the article page, and none are notable based on their play in that league. Anyway, based on the original version of the article, he may have only played at a junior level! The-Pope (talk) 14:21, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

You need to spend more time writing articles and less time moaning at editors who disagree with you. Have a nice day. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

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I saw your comment at EAR. As an admin , it would be perfectly appropriate for you to block this IP now for at least 14 days. All their November edits have been blatant trolling. See WP:EAR, user's contribs list and talk page. I can't do it because as a subject of one of his attacks I suppose I'm involved. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung: I had a quick look and concluded that a) the issue had gone stale and b) the best thing to do with trolls is not feed them, which blocking can do in spades. I see they've been blocked anyhow. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I finally blocked them, they just couldn't let go. Not feeding them, but purely as a preventative measure - they were harassing and really upsetting another editor. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

article deleted Martech (musician)

With all the respect why my article deleted ? i don't understand well with the specific example the reason for!! can you send me more simple specifically correction parts for my articles or references or whatever is to correct it ?? By the way my page article is Martech (musician) that was deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marios Nicou Charalambus (talk • contribs) 19:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

@Marios Nicou Charalambus: I think the fundamental problem is that Wikipedia gets so many articles about bands, and if we didn't keep some reasonable threshold of inclusion, the encyclopedia would be dwarfed by unfinished stubs. The best page to look at is the notability guidelines for musicians, which explain some of the criteria that can be used - a hit record is an obvious one, a "supergroup" of independently notable artists is another. I would recommend clicking here and using the Article Wizard to create a draft page, that can be reviewed by an experienced editor when you are ready to do so. If you want, I can restore the text of your earlier article into a draft as a starting point - please let me know if you wish to do this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:27, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Martech (musician)

Ritchie333 thanks so much for your help. so yes it would be good if you restore me my article back for Martech (musician) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marios Nicou Charalambus (talk • contribs) 20:20, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

@Marios Nicou Charalambus: - all done at Draft:Martech (musician). Follow instructions at the top of the page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Triple glazing redirects

Hi, I should be obliged if you would restore three of the Neelix redirects; Triple glazed, Triple-glazing, and Triple-glazed. Though these were originally included in WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 10#Sextupleglazed glasses, they were excluded from the closing consideration as you had previously deleted them as WP:R3. They are over six years old so WP:RFD#HAMFUL considerations apply and they are commonly used terms and entirely plausible redirects. See here for example. Best, Just Chilling (talk) 22:28, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

@Just Chilling: I just checked the RfD and as far as I can tell those redirects were included, so consensus has been to delete and if you recreate them, any editor could legitimately speedy delete them (via WP:CSD#G4). Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:32, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

... how can you be just chilling with triple glazing?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

@BDD:. Hi BDD, would you give an opinion as to whether you included these redirects in your closing decision, please? My understanding is that if you did not then they can be recreated and if you did then I need to take them to WP:DRV. Best, Just Chilling (talk) 22:41, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

They were not included in my closing decision. I mentioned that I wasn't doing anything with redirects that had already been deleted by others. Perhaps I should have, but that discussion took up quite enough time already. At a glance, I don't see anything wrong with this trio of redirects. --BDD (talk) 14:14, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I've restored them. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

FWIW I didn't see a need for any of the redirects, as once you type "triple gl" you will find the relevant term, and I don't think casual readers explicitly type dashes. It took me a while to find two-up two-down, referring to housing standards (and what I think the primary topic should be), whereas Two Up Two Down refers to the 1970s sitcom. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:26, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Cassianto

@Liz and Ritchie333: Hi. I saw your note on the user talk page. I'm not planning to comment there as it appears I am not particularly welcome there, and the response would probably be yet more expletives. So a few comments here:

• I am sorry the block has disrupted the peer review but I don't suppose a couple of days delay will make much difference in the long run.
• I am deeply respectful of Cassianto's content contributions to the project, but this does not give them a free pass.
• The correct course of action is absolutely not to "revert three times and then to report the issue". Three reverts is not an allowance or entitlement as you know. The appropriate action would, after the first revert, to discuss the matter and seek assistance from other editors. (Although in this case the matter was so trivial that it would probably have been better to leave it.)
• In my opinion the block of 48 hours is needed to show that we enforce our expected standards of decorum and editor behaviour. To unblock now would send out the message that it is okay to repeat what happened yesterday.
• Since the block, Cassianto has shown zero regret for their actions and has not given any assurances that they would act differently in the future. In fact the hostility and belligerence suggest quite the opposite.

I appreciate we have quite a different take on these issues, but I hope this clarifies my position. Best regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@MSGJ: as Cassianto has said he does not wish to be unblocked, I think it's best to take him at his word and leave the issue for now. I'm not denying disruption from all parties, that would be absurd, but paradoxically I have found that any block of a long-standing editor causes more disruption than it solves - just look at what happened when I blocked RationalObserver a few months ago. I find a blunt message saying "okay, that's enough, if you do 'x' again I think we'd be within policy to block you per [list of policies]" tends to do the trick. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Have you attempted that form of warning with this user in the past? Their talk page history is littered with such warnings, and the response is generally less than productive. HighInBC 14:54, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I've never had the opportunity - by the time I find about these things, the block has been and gone. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

"An admin's lot is not a happy one", is it. I'm reminded of that line in La Rossa: "... just as long as he knows that it's dance, smile - or quit." (What a superb track and entire album that is). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Ritchie, he'd actually received explicit warnings against editwarring and NPA at a time when no action within a day of his block. I generally agree with you that warnings are valuable and I've often chosen not to block for 3rr violations in the past, but he'd received warnings about it within 24 hours and had wound up at AN/EW again anyway. Kevin Gorman (talk) 00:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Davefelmer block

In view of comments posted at User talk:Drmies#Cowboy unblocks, revisited about pings being missed, I am letting you know that I have posted at User talk:Davefelmer again. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

As stated there, I'm going to wait for Davefelmer to comment on events. There's no point me doing a "cowboy unblock" on an editor that doesn't actually show a desire to edit articles, after all. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Mayabazar

I've nominated this article for FAC which also happens to be my first attempt. It is also the first Indian Telugu film article to be nominated for such status. If interested, please leave your comments here. All constructive comments are welcomed. Yours sincerely, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

The Bottom line

Well done. Don't know the show, but it gave me a laugh. "Slap a wig on a "Speak Your Weight" machine..." Ah well, enjoy it while we can, someone will come along soon and undo or collapse the lot. Best, BMK (talk) 22:08, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

You'd probably like it, cynical, dry, humour with lots of mindless slapstick violence. I went through a phase of being called "ah-ha, Ritchie baby!" after a regular catchphrase in the show. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:15, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I'll have to see if it's available on Netflix or elsewhere. BMK (talk) 22:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

BTW, does that mean you think I'm "cynical"? And let's not even talk about "mindless slapstick violence". BMK (talk) 22:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

"They say television encourages violence. Yet here I am slamming his face into the refrigerator, and we haven't even got one!" And personally, I would rather have one BMK than 150 "yes, admins are so brilliant, I couldn't agree with them more!" types (do they exist?) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna say that the clip reminded me of The Young Ones, but now I see that that was Rik Mayall as well. BMK (talk) 22:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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Creation Unprotection of Akhtar Raza Khan

Hi, Brother you had protected the article Akhtar Raza Khan because there were copyright violations.

I made draft on the subject which is free from any copyright infrigmentation.It is sourced with a good no of 3rd party sources.I have been working on it since 4 months.

Therefore I request you to please unprotect its creation.So that the draft may be moved to the namespace article.

Thanks.Ejaz92 (talk) 09:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Ejaz92: I see the draft has already been declined multiple times. When you have submitted a draft that is accepted, that would be a suitable time to consider unprotecting the main page. Also @Sarahj2107: who has asked the same question elsewhere. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I tried my best.I am waiting with this procedure since more than 4 months.You may yourself check the sources they are verifiable 3rd party sources.The subhect is well notable.Apart from these I have many Hindi and Urdu language sources on the talk page of the draft.

Please do somthing.......Either unprotect or review the draft......I will be very thankful to you.....Ejaz92 (talk) 11:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid this isn't my area of expertise at all, so I'm not sure I could really do anything to help. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:15, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Its your area.U protected it.protection and unprotection is your area.Simply make this title unprotected from creation.Then a new article with no guidlines violation will be created.U protected it arbitrarily, why can't you do so again.Simply unprotect itEjaz92 (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

It's not "my area" - I don't own anything. Unless I can be convinced that there is a draft that meets the correct criteria for biographies of living people, it would be against policy to unprotect. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

UTRS Account Request

I confirm that I have requested an account on the UTRS tool. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)}

I'm not sure if there is an automatic notice sent to your email, so FYI I activated your account. You should be good to go.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Ponyo: I did get an automatic notification and I can log into the UTRS system. I'm a little confused though, I got the impression from @Beeblebrox: that there was a large backlog, but when I just looked now, it said "No unblock requests in queue". What's a typical throughput? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:07, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I believe it was Ponyo who came through yesterday and cleared up pretty uch all outstnding business. There doesn't seem to have been a heavy backlog recently, I was more expressing a concern that with BASC going away it is a distinct possibility. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I tend to spend quite a bit of time there, especially given that a lot of socking issues arise so having a Checkuser on hand is helpful. I've been very busy offline the past couple of weeks, so thank goodness Beeblebrox has been a total star and helped pick up my slack. There are only a small handful of regulars there, so any help is appreciated. I generally request that the blocked user make their appeal on wiki (via the "redirect request to user talk" template) to allow for more transparency unless talk page access has been revoked, there are privacy issues, or it would be a waste of the community's time (ie. clear vandalism, abusive requests, clear socking etc). There's no UTRS admin guide, so if you have any questions I'd be happy to help. --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:19, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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		For your contributions to bring Oxford Street to Good Article status. It's always a pleasure to read your stuff. -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes please!

Err, no thanks

@Khazar2: Thanks for the comprehensive review. If you've never done so, it's worth at least seeing Oxford Street in the Christmas shopping experience just to identify with it. In other GAs I have on the pile at the moment, Leicester Square is also essential London tourist viewing. By contrast, the North Circular Road is strictly for the natives. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your contribution to the stabilization of an important article. ReliableBen (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Your AfD closure of Jamie Woodruff

lol! Thanks for that. I did review the subject, and didn't come up with enough to move me into caring a flying monkeys either way. Jacona (talk) 12:20, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Theodore McDonald

You suck, no one likes you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.171.55 (talk) 04:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Is it National "talk like Usenet" day? Okay, sir I bring you news you beneficiary of 800 squllion zillion dollar from big Nigeria bank please send me all your money and first born son as administrative fee .... sorry, I'm no good at this. Now if you'd asked nicely, I could have restored the article to draft space for you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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Remember that December 6th is the deadline. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I will look at the issues this evening unless LowSelfEstidle gets to them first. Patience. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I have little time this week, so please go ahead and start. Good luck! LowSelfEstidle (talk) 18:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

It's mostly good. Just several things left to go. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Just wondering, what's wrong with this source http://louderthanwar.com/will-sergeants-top-10-favourite-albums-number-8/. It's got its own page on Wiki Louder Than War (website). If it was a blog I'd understand. Rodericksilly (talk) 04:31, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Well SNUGGUMS has done a lot of music related GA reviews, and I'm happy to believe them when they say it's an unsuitable source to prove an influence. Any fan page can say anybody is influenced by anybody else, and it's not generally a section I would consider important, as it's highly subjective and doesn't really tell you much about the band. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I'd disagree there, if a prog band has influenced acts from post-punk to heavy metal to alternative rock, I'd say that does tell people something about them, especially considering the well-worn "Year Zero" bollocks of 1977. Rodericksilly (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

And now for something completely different

Looks like Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Errors never really got off the ground, and people are generally using WP:ERRORS and/or WT:DYK. Do you mind if I delete it, so someone doesn't stumble across it and try to use it, not knowing there are probably almost no admins watching it? If you agree, I see no need for an MFD, I'll just do it. If you disagree, let me know, I'll hold off until then. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:57, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't see why not - I think consensus was to use the main page, probably because little other discussion happens there than erroneous hooks and suggestions to change preps and queues. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

A GA GA barnstar for you!

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Congratulations on your 60 Glorious GAs!! You truly are the GA deity! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Here comes GA to applaud the GAs! - I have a few open for reviews, DYK? Also need a DYK review for James Bond (sort of). Going to write the fourth Sibelius composition stub of today ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to see it's getting a bit rough riding around here lately. Oh no, not nore "cowboy un blocks". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I am reminded of an occasion around 2000 when on the way to the pub I got repeatedly told "fuck off you fucking queer" by a couple of pissed-up chavs who attempted to attack me with a rotary washing line pole - THAT'S drama! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

We all know you're whiter than white, Threesie. But sorry to see you getting hung out to dry. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

So is you Sinatra collection! - I tried to do a bit for Sibelius, following the model, but was hit by some rulez. Sibelius gallery started, all the hooks that were not allowed to appear on his birthday. At least two more to come, + the GA which also was not allowed ... - some inner voice tells me it's not fair, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:06, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Why

Why would you protect an article so that it can only be edited by an admin when the editor who is edit warring against consensus is an admin? J3Mrs (talk) 11:34, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

@J3Mrs: - Lowellian's an admin? Good grief, they should know better than to edit war! Anyway, full-protecting the article for 24 hours is better than blocks all round. Sorry I've been busy all day (main OS X disk went kaboom) so I was going to post a note on the talk page earlier. Hopefully somebody can sort things out. If an admin edit wars against a full-protection, they can generally be blocked or hauled up to ANI where the peanut gallery will cry "off with their heads!" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:11, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Ritchie, I pointed out on the article talk page that as an Admin Lowellian should have known better and simply received a snarky reply from them in response. I too was surprised that you protected it so only the likes of Lowellian could continue their very pointy edits without making comment on their sub-optimal behaviour. SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC) PS - Congratulations on your 60th GA - it's so nice to see an Admin who does know about content.

I replied with a straightforward explanation of the purpose of the template and how you flat-out broke the rules explicitly written out on the template. You flouted Wikipedia guidelines and breeched process in removing the template. Rather than restoring the template, I went to the talk page to explain why what you did was wrong, but now you're just dismissing the explanation as "snark" while continuing to ignore the Wikipedia guidelines written out on the template. —Lowellian (reply) 00:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

If he carried on editing with the protection, I'd have blocked him and opened an ANI thread on it! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:46, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

"Oh no, you wouldn't! .....He's behind you!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that charge of edit warring is false. There was no edit warring, and page protection was an unnecessary measure since I had already stopped editing the article and instead begun a discussion on the talk page! In fact, I was the one who started the discussion on the talk page instead of continuing to make edits. I made a change; it was reverted, I reverted the text once, and then was the first person to go to the talk page to discuss the issue; this is all a normal part of the WP:BRD cycle. I was bold, I reverted once, and then I went to the talk page to discuss the issue without attempting to reinsert my text. There was an additional dispute over the POV template; despite the POV template being removed against Wikipedia guidelines, which are explicitly written out on the template; instead of continuing to attempt to restore the template, I went to the talk page to protest the removal.

I further protest this completely unfounded and baseless accusation that I would use admin powers to edit through a page that has been protected for dispute reasons. Check that page history. Have I done so? No.

—Lowellian (reply) 23:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

You were edit warring and then pointedly added templates - definitely behaviour unbecoming of an Administrator ... but I'm willing to be swayed by any proof you have that you are able to provide that you understand exactly what constitutes good content. How many GAs or FAs have you been a significant contributor to, for instance? SagaciousPhil - Chat 01:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Lowellian, you changed established content on a featured article four times within 24 hours here, here, here and here. That is a text book definition of WP:3RR : "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert. Violations of the rule normally attract blocks of at least 24 hours." (emphasis mine). It's also a cliche that BRD means the discussion is the last bit of the process, otherwise it becomes BRDRDRDRDRDRDRDRD (recurring). Furthermore, "I wasn't edit warring - my edits were right" is a cliched unblock request. Disagreement over content is fine, but when a war breaks out, you down tools, discuss and wait for the RfC to close. I want you to understand you should consider yourself very lucky you were not blocked, and I feel I would be within policy to block you if you change the article again. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:11, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Ritchie3333, not all edits are reverts. That's why it's the "three-revert rule", not the "three-edit rule". WP:3RR defines a revert as "an edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part." The first edit you cited [1] was the addition of new content. The second edit you cited [2] was a revert, my first. At that point, I allowed the text I disagreed with to stand, instead going to the talk page to discuss the issue (and I will further again point out that I was the one who tried to talk about the issue instead of silently reverting). The third edit you cited [3] was the addition of a POV template; it did not undo, alter, or touch any of the text I disagreed with, and thus was not a revert. Sagaciousphil then removed the POV template against the rules written out on the template, at which time I then made the fourth edit you cited [4], restoring the tag; this was my second revert. Thus, I reverted a total of twice on that page and did not violate the 3RR rule.

In fact, I think our overall editing philosophies are the same; I basically also edit from the "one-revert guarantee" that you have written out on your user page: "If you think one of my edits makes the encyclopedia worse, revert it. Please try and leave a good edit summary or discuss it on the talk page, though. In return, I pledge I will only revert your changes once and once only, if at all. If you revert back again, then I'll go to the talk page." I made my initial addition [5] of new content. That was reverted. At that point, I reverted once regarding my preferred text [6]. When that was reverted, I went to the talk page. The same for the POV template: I added it [7]. When the POV template was removed, I reverted the POV template once [8]. When the POV template was removed again, I went to the talk page to talk about the POV template.

Please do not put words in my mouth. At no point did I make the argument that "I wasn't edit warring - my edits were right". My argument is that two reverts, followed by a cessation of reversion in favor of talk page discussion, do not make an edit war.

Re: "Disagreement over content is fine, but when a war breaks out, you down tools, discuss and wait for the RfC to close." I agree, which is why I had already stopped making any edits to the article for many hours, letting the version I disagreed with stand, to instead talk the issue over on the talk page. That fourth edit you cited [9] was my last edit to the article; after that point, if you look at the timestamps on the page history and the talk page history, you can see that I was still paying attention to the page since I was making comments on the talk page, but I had already stopped trying to edit the page and instead was trying to talk things out on the talk page. I already had no further intention of editing the page well before the page was protected; the page protection was unnecessary.

Finally, if you are going to reprimand me for a supposed breech of rules -- and again, I made no such actual breech of rules since I only reverted twice -- for fairness, you should also reprimand Sagaciousphil for his breech of rules in removing the POV template without meeting the conditions therein.

—Lowellian (reply) 09:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh sure, that's why I protected - it takes two (or more) to edit war after all, and no action was taken because you did stop - I apologise if that wasn't clear. In the meantime, I see the conversation is continuing on the talk page, so I think this can all be put to bed now (with a nice cup of cocoa). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

• This is how he was made a sysop. Maybe its time for a recount. I'm fed up with the claims that admins can do what they like with impunity. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:51, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• How very quaint. My my, how times change. If I had passed my proficiency test for a cab would that qualify me for something more modern? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of KnowYourStar

Hi Richi,

I got a message saying the article KnowYourStar I created has been deleted. I have created the article in 2013 with a motto to give the information what youngsters are doing to give the awareness to the youth of our country in their own way.

KnowYourStar is a group of youngsters who interact with many eminent people coming from different fields who inspires the present day youth with their experiences to rise in those areas.

KnowYourStar published those interviews in their website. Our intension was not to give publicity or advertise to that website. Our main intension was to spread the information across many people so that they can know many people who are doing great job in their respective fields and not in limelight.

We have followed the rules of Wikipedia and gave appropriate valid references. It was moved to the article space by the wiki admin only after reviewing it and it was in 2013.

Now all of a sudden I got a message saying the article is deleted. We are not even finding that article any where.

Please guide us in this regard.

Thanks and Regards Anjali Anjali Reddy J (talk) 04:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

@Anjali Reddy J: I had a look, and I think the problem was that you moved the article from a draft without a review. Unfortunately, when this happens, it becomes at risk of being deleted, which is what happened here. I have restored your draft to Draft:KnowYourStar so it can be worked on further. I would look at the style of writing closely, as some of the phrases such as "KnowYourStar brings the stories of people who have achieved success in different kinds of fields which inspires the youth who is aspiring to enter in those fields" doesn't really tell me much about what the website really is and what it does. I would also look at getting more newspaper sources alongside the New Indian Express reference you already have. When you have improved the draft, you can click on the green "Submit the draft" button, whereupon an experienced editor will review it. Hope that helps. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ritchi,

Thank you so much. I got your point. Let me improve this article according to your suggestion and then later will follow the procedure which you have suggested.

Thanks & Regards Anjali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.163.217.102 (talk) 05:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Thanksgiving

Thanksgiving

Shout for joy

Have a happy one, I add a sweet dish and music, made, not by a maid, - just checked that I improved 27 of 48 GA articles on classical compositions, - I didn't "create" this one, so I am extra proud, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Yum. I am steadily going round the monopoly board having contributed to 7 GAs on it so far, with more to come. I did think about making a serious comment about The Lady Catherine de Burgh, but you know what - I think a wit-free, dead-serious, speculation of being a sock is on a par with telling my kids that Father Christmas may not actually be a real person, and should be treated with equal contempt. (Perhaps I could create User:Ritchie333/A Fool's Guide to Sockpuppetry and throw everybody off the scent...) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:38, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Did you notice that the article proudly pictured is hinted at in my question #2? On a less festive day, read about it in the decision talk, and the following warning on my talk about AE not a fun place which made my friends RfA worse. Enjoy the trumpet! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah buddy!! Enjoy all-a-that-there turkey, winter squash, sweet potato and marshmallows. And please.... light a candle for me, why dontcha?! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

There was a question? Sorry, I didn't turn over that side of the paper ... ummm, anyway I can't even link to our mixcloud site with "Light A Candle" as the blacklist won't even let admins add such a link. Harrumph. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

You shouldn't play with fire anyway. Enough on Sibelius, or is it the opposite? (Martin took an umbrella.) If I run the arguments against the slogan "Readers come first", I know where I would end: at arbitration enforcement ;) - Let's not even imagine a comment that the last revert was performed by a user who is now blocked, edit summary "not needed", - how true and full of insight, and possibly applicable to every sentence and image on the project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Let me see if this works - http "colon" "slash" "slash" mixcloud "dot" com "slash" rhondassongs "slash" light-a-candle ... came from a radio session, I think you'll enjoy the words in particular, as they talk about those we have enjoyed company with that are no longer with us. Never got the hang of Sibelius myself; all my brass and woodwind arranging has been done in NoteWorthy Composer. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:26, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

"Hey little thing, let me light your candle, 'Cause Gerda I'm sure hard to handle, now, yessir'am": [10]. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Martin, if you want to do stuff with Gerda and candles (is that dinner, a seance, fixing a broken RCD that keeps blowing the lights, or something else?) then your respective talk pages might be better. Anyway, take it to the pig :-P [11] Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:40, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Pah! Who needs candles on Black Friday? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Birthday candles for Jean Sibelius, 150. Yes, normal people think it's mostly over (it is where I live), but this is Wikipedia where we have teh rulez, some seem to say that if the TFA mentions the person, no DYK. Look in an hour for the "thing that brings a smile to your lips at the hour of death"?". The article of the composer was made a GA (not by me) - and couldn't appear today - I can't believe it. Btw,it needs a review before it can appear at all. - Just as I write this, string music by Sibelius started on radio, bringing a smile to my lips, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:31, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Apologies for being Mr Thicky here but which review is that? I've got to finish Elephant and Castle (which has no castle and precious little in the way of elephants), then if I am not busy playing or rehearsing Christmas carols I will give a review a go. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)