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Sourcing of "most decorated" Audie Murphy

Roam41:

It seems you and I agree with the "most decorated" and "leave as is/or change" topic from a month or so ago. I penned a pretty good argument for this subject but it was quickly archived on page 3 in the archives section. If you get a moment will you check it out, read it and give your insight/input into my argument. I would appreciate it. I think it is titled "Sourcing of "most decorated". Thanks! Audiesdad (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Connor

In a word, WOW! Among other things, the link to the Kentucky House joint resolution is no longer valid. I found a copy at another url. The Rhode Island Assembly also passed a resolution about Connor. Go Figure. I think the best place to talk is at Talk:Garlin Murl Conner#Correct medal count; I started the section and flagged it as empty. I don't have access to MUSE from where I sit, although I can see the first page of the article; my research tool is GALILEO. I've asked a librarian friend if she can access it. I don't know why we can't cite the Military Board of Corrections report unless it marked as being not releasable. Same applies to Ridenour; anyone who does have access can verify your citations.

One of the things that bothered me back when is that so many of the references said essentially the same thing. Nature of the beast.

Let's get this right.

--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 21:33, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Great, I'm glad you are open to a discussion! Roam41 (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Talk page discussions

Please stop starting discussions of the same topic in multiple places, this is very confusing, pick one page and mention any other articles that are related in that discussion. Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 15:36, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to have confused the situation. I originally thought the edits in question were made on just one page, then later found them elsewhere. I wasn't sure of the proper way to proceed and debated how to do it. I will only post on one page in the future and provide links. Thank you for your input. I appreciate it. Roam41 (talk) 15:47, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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Silver Star edit

Hello, I see that you are the most recent editor on the Silver Star page. I just made a Wikipedia account in hopes to add my Great Uncle to the list of recipients. I have the official letter and documentation for his award. Can I make the change? Is there anywhere I need to add the documents for proof? Mathforlife (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I also see that you removed someone’s addition due to them not having a page on the recent edit. Should I make a page for my Great Uncle first? Mathforlife (talk) 03:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Mathforlife: The key drivers for Wikipedia are sourcing and notability. Silver Star recipients are not likely notable, so there's no point in trying to make an article about your Great Uncle. And since he is not notable, there is no point in trying to add him to a list because we only list notable subjects. Regarding sourcing, we cannot accept primary sources like the documentation you mention. You cannot upload those things here nor would we accept a document uploaded to a third party like FlickR. We need significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources and you probably don't have that. I am sure that sounds disappointing when you came here for representation. I think you misunderstand Wikipedia because that's not what we do here. You are better off putting this material on a Facebook account where you'll reach an audience and without worrying about our many rules. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Chris.

There are records in the Hall of Valor Project as well as the National Archives for his enlistment and award. I would like to expand Wikipedias database and accuracy. There are currently 8 recipients on the Silver Star page who have no individual page. I believe I have enough information to make a small individual page for my Uncle but even if I were to not due to notability I still believe he and others should be recognized for their reward. So I would like to add him to the list of recipients.

Here are some external sources and like I said I do have the original letter/document of the award.

https://valor.militarytimes.com/hero/132610

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https://aad.archives.gov/aad/print-record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=70&cat=all&tf=F&q=Elmer+peterson&bc=&sort=24996%20desc&rpp=10&pg=4&rid=2891923&rlst=2034403,6714910,8034635,8032626,6686942,1413896,8109984,280477,2891923,5153940 74.70.173.14 (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, we only list notable recipients and we don't prefer primary sources like you've listed. You are wrong to say "he and others should be recognized" because they already have: they got their awards. You don't need to visit a website decades later to add his name. If we wanted to write about him, we would have. I very much understand your motivation but I've tried to explain above why you cannot do this and you give the impression you've ignored what I wrote due to your single-minded obsession. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Chris, thank you for answering my questions. I have not ignored what you said. I have simply inquired further to understand. As I mentioned I am new to Wikipedia so I am asking valid questions prior to just making a change so that I do follow the guidelines and best practices. Please do not say I am “wrong”, it is my opinion which everyone is entitled to. I do not appreciate your ending comments. Mathforlife (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)