Robert.O.SWE

Info about dermatitis

Thanks for the info about Dermatitis! I found your page on the talk page on the section for dermatitis. I will try what you suggested and avoid ALL dairy products for 3 weeks. If you have noticed that other things can break you out please write about them on your page. I take the following daily supplements: a multi-vitamin (imitation Men's Centrum the type you can buy OTC in any drugstore), Krill Oil, and 1,000ug of Vitamin D.108.36.104.7 (talk) 01:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello there! Yes, it's not only dairy products. It's honey and alcohol too. And regarding the dairy products it's really about removing everything that contains milk. You can find it in some already prepared foods and as you know

• protein drinks (whey I suppose is good to avoid initially as it's derived from milk)
• Energy snack bars
• coffee with milk
• sandwiches/baguettes containing dressings and similar
• cookies
• Milk chocolate and more

Oh and I really can not comment on your different supplements as I'm not familiar with them except D-vitamin. I actually do take this myself as I am low on that actually. Little sunlight here where I live and computer related hobbies probably has resulted in that.

Robert.O.SWE (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Sugar

I can't speak to your whole approach but the part about sugar in the diet rings true to my experience too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.218.27 (talk) 11:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, as I have read more and more info on the honey, alcohol connection it has landed in that consumption of especially fast carbohydrates probably results is production of triglycerides in the liver which, as I understand it, means more sebum in your skin will be produced and that is what the fungus lives of. Basically I avoid partially or totally anything that raises bloodsugar much and in turn produces triclycerides. Candy, cakes, alcohol, coffee. Eating to many fruits a day is probably also unwise. I just eat one a day while recommendations can be up to 6 for example. Robert.O.SWE (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes I think sugar is best limited including honey, chocolate, soda etc but also oils can trigger skin problems so the fad for pouring olive oil on everything is something to look out for. Switching to a fairly bland diet has helped me before in addition to the obvious (getting plenty of excersise, relaxation, sleep). One last one being a multi vitamin/mineral especially one with iron because iron can do a lot of good for the skin. Also tea-tree shampoo. Good luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.219.196 (talk) 17:02, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the hints. I'll look into that, however I consume 30-35grams of extra virgin olive oil (no fancy brand) every day and get no problem from that. I've been doing it for a year now. I'm however much more certain today that bananas are a big nono in my diet. Ate a few recently and got some pretty serious blowup along the hairline (is healing up now since I stopped eating them). Robert.O.SWE (talk) 18:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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"Alternative solution to seborreic dermatitis without using any products or medication" seborrheic dermatitis seems to appear from different multiple causes and has different multiple treatments for each person — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.252.94 (talk) 15:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, quite possible there are several solutions depending on what physiological problems are triggering SD. Robert.O.SWE (talk) 02:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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"I thought Wikipedia would be an excellent place to share this but apparently not? I find that it's a bit of a shame there is no apparent section where people can share alternative ideas here" agree completely

the so called "free" encyclopedia is not so "free" after all with lots of censorship

and as Hengistmate says: "I have discovered that on Wikipedia being right is no guarantee of anything if you are outnumbered by people who are wrong."

and as malarz_russ says: "Wikipedia is a great resource, but it's major problem is that it doesn't really require 100 percent accuracy or even honesty, as I've seen some pretty amazing things offered as fact." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.252.94 (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. My information got deleted recently with the motivation that Wikipedia is no web host. An faulty argument as I don't use it as web host (even though I have donated and could argue I feel entitled to). I had to post SD information on my personal user page as the info was not fitting for the official page. Simple as that.

Yes, you are right. Wikipedia suffers from this that if the majority does not like something then it will be changed, even though it's not true. People believe what they want to believe. It's easier. Still I feel it seems to work well in most articles I read Robert.O.SWE (talk) 02:52, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Re: the information you placed on your user page (pasted below for reference). It looks to be interesting information even if it is outwith the scope of Wikipedia and therefore not permitted to be on a user page. Since I'm talking about it on your talk page, however, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be allowed to remain here for posterity. --78.148.110.69 (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

How I got rid of seborrheic dermatitis, without using any product or medication

Hello everyone. My name is Robert, I'm from Sweden, and I though I wanted to share with you how I solved the problem for myself. I used to use several prescribed alternatives that would help me partly for periods but the problem never disappeared totally. So I applied another approach. I started exploring how I react to food. And finally I found the reason to why I had this skin problem. Dairy products and fast carbohydrates like honey, raisins, alcohol, bananas. If I avoid them ALL problems go away. I have not used any cortisone creams or fungus shampoos since 2006-2007 I believe.

You should know I don't suffer from lactose intolerance according to tests.

For me it takes about 3 weeks for the skin to clear up if I stop consuming dairy products totally and all dandruff is gone for ever too, but it's enough with a glass of milk to have a reaction even within hours.

So I recommend people to avoid these things for at least 3 weeks (cheating will only postpone your progress, so don't). Later on as the skin has healed up you can try to reintroduce one type of food at a time and see what you react to most. I do sometimes consume these products myself but also know very well that I will have to pay a price for it:

• Milk
• Butter
• Cheese (even goat cheese)
• Ice cream
• Milk chocolate
• Pastries/ cakes with whipped cream
• Sauces that contain cream/milk
• ... well anything else with milk in it

• Alcohol
• Honey (as little as 2 table spoons can cause problems in just a few hours)
• Bananas (I've not been a big consumer of bananas, one banana a month at most, so this is the reason to my late addition of this usually common food source.)

(*) Raisins and grapes could also trigger it I suspect. Not completely sure but I'll add it anyway.

Remember to read the ingredients list of the products you buy.

I hope this can help someone! Mail me at robert.olender[at]hotmail.com and tell me how it went. I also now have a before and after photo with about two months apart from when I got SD from ice cream. If you want to see the difference the diet changes make mail me and I'll send you it. I don't have time to read all the photo licensing requirements of Wikipedia and free license is not an option for me as I wish to avoid any abuse of the photo or commercial use.

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I have some questions in my head still:

1. What is the common denominator between alcohol and dairy products?

2. Could cow milk protein/fat/sugar be reason to abnormal Malassezia yeast response?

Update: Information found link here pointing to possibly the fat being the issue as it lives of that, however my guess is that it's not that simple that fats taken through food immediately become the fats the fungus could live off as we can gain in fat through consuming carbohydrates.

But this was interesting:

"Sebum excreted by the sebaceous gland is primarily composed of tryglicerides, wax esters, and squalene."

"The milk fat consists mainly of triglycerides, approximately 98%"

"Alcohol has a number of effects on triglyceride levels. Alcohol is a major source of excess calories which get turned into fat, so the triglyceride levels in the blood increase." - Which would answer question 1? Alcohol raises triglycerides levels. Milk contains mainly triglycerides. Right?

I'm no biochemist. I just find this connection interesting and will not pretend I understand this information fully.

" Recently, identification of Malassezia on skin has been aided by the application of molecular or DNA-based techniques very similar to those used by forensic scientists to identify criminal suspects. These investigations show that the Malassezia species causing most skin disease in humans, including the most common cause of dandruff and seborrhoeic dermatitis, is M. globosa (though M. restricta is also involved).The skin rash of tinea versicolor (pityriasis versicolor) is also due to infection by this fungus. As the fungus requires fat to grow, it is most common in areas with many sebaceous glands: on the scalp, face, and upper part of the body. When the fungus grows too rapidly, the natural renewal of cells is disturbed and dandruff appears with itching (a similar process may also occur with other fungi or bacteria).

The sebaceous glands are microscopic glands in the skin that secrete an oily/waxy matter, called sebum, to lubricate and waterproof the skin and hair of mammals. In humans, they are found in greatest abundance on the face and scalp, though they are distributed throughout all skin sites except the palms and soles. In the eyelids, meibomian sebaceous glands secrete a special type of sebum into tears. There are several related medical conditions, including acne, sebaceous cysts, hyperplasia, sebaceous adenoma and sebaceous gland carcinoma (see section below: Pathology). Sebaceous glands secrete the oily, waxy substance called sebum (Latin, meaning fat or tallow) that is made of fat (lipids), wax, and the debris of dead fat-producing cells. In the glands, sebum is produced within specialized cells and is released as these cells burst; sebaceous glands are thus classified as holocrine glands. Seborrhoea is the name for the condition of greasy skin caused by excess sebum. Sebum is odorless, but its bacterial breakdown can produce odors. Sebum is the cause of some people's experiencing "oily" hair, as in hot weather or if not washed for several days. Earwax is partly composed of sebum. Sebum excreted by the sebaceous gland is primarily composed of tryglicerides, wax esters, and squalene. Wax esters, like squalene, are unique to sebum and not produced anywhere else in the body. Sebum also contains 45% water-insoluble fatty acids known to have broad antimicrobial activity. Additionally, sebaceous gland secretion provides Vitamin E to the upper layers of facial skin. Sebaceous lipids contribute to maintaining the integrity of the skin barrier, and express pro-inflammatory and anti-inflammatory properties. Recent research suggests that sebum may represent a delivery system for antioxidants, antimicrobial lipids, pheromones, and hydration of stratum corneum. During the last gestation trimester, it is known that sebaceous glands produce vernix caseosa which protects the embryonic skin from amniotic water. Sebaceous secretions in conjunction with apocrine glands also play an important thermoregulatory role. In hot conditions, the secretions emulsify and foment formation of and prevent the loss of sweat drops from the skin. In colder conditions, sebum repels rain from skin and hair. Increased facial surface sebum secretion is also associated with the development of acne.

Lipids constitute a broad group of naturally occurring molecules that include fats, waxes, sterols, fat-soluble vitamins (such as vitamins A, D, E, and K), monoglycerides, diglycerides, triglycerides, phospholipids, and others. The main biological functions of lipids include energy storage, as structural components of cell membranes, and as important signaling molecules. Lipids may be broadly defined as hydrophobic or amphiphilic small molecules; the amphiphilic nature of some lipids allows them to form structures such as vesicles, liposomes, or membranes in an aqueous environment. Biological lipids originate entirely or in part from two distinct types of biochemical subunits or "building-blocks": ketoacyl and isoprene groups. Using this approach, lipids may be divided into eight categories: fatty acids, glycerolipids, glycerophospholipids, sphingolipids, saccharolipids, and polyketides (derived from condensation of ketoacyl subunits); and sterol lipids and prenol lipids (derived from condensation of isoprene subunits). Although the term lipid is sometimes used as a synonym for fats, fats are a subgroup of lipids called triglycerides. Lipids also encompass molecules such as fatty acids and their derivatives (including tri-, di-, monoglycerides, and phospholipids), as well as other sterol-containing metabolites such as cholesterol. Although humans and other mammals use various biosynthetic pathways to both break down and synthesize lipids, some essential lipids cannot be made this way and must be obtained from the diet.

The milk fat consists mainly of triglycerides, approximately 98% , while other milk lipids are diacylglycerol (about 2% of the lipid fraction), cholesterol (less than 0.5%), phospholipids (about 1%) and free fatty acids (FFA) (about 0.1) (9). In addition, there are trace amounts of ether lipids, hydrocarbons, fat-soluble vitamins, flavour compounds and compounds introduced by the feed (10). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596709/

Alcohol has a number of effects on triglyceride levels. Alcohol is a major source of excess calories which get turned into fat, so the triglyceride levels in the blood increase. Alcohol spurs the liver to make more triglycerides, and even light drinking (two to four ounces of wine a week) can raise triglycerides. {Diabetes Organization, Feb. 2000, and Tufts University Health & Nutrition Letter, July 1997}. http://www.high-triglycerides.com/herbal-remedies/high-triglycerides/alcohol-and-triglycerides

Here is a list of foods that are high in triglycerides. They should be restricted and, ideally, eliminated from a healthy diet: Alcohol: Beer, wine, hard liquor and liqueurs. Saturated fats: Fats solid at room temperature, including animal fats, lard, butter and shortening. Also, fried foods, whole milk, whole milk dairy products, cheese, cream cheese, high-fat meats and fast foods. Trans fats: Hydrogenated fats found in margarine, vegetable shortening, fried foods, fast foods and most commercial snack foods such as pastries, cakes, pies, crackers, etc. Sugar: Concentrated sweets such as sugar, honey, molasses, jams, jellies and candy. Desserts such as pies, cakes, cookies, candy, doughnuts, ice cream, frozen yogurt and sweetened gelatin. Beverages: Fruit juices, fruit drinks, fruit punches, regular sodas, smoothies, sports drinks and sweetened coffee drinks. Other foods: Sweetened cereals, flavored yogurts and sports or energy bars Starch: Concentrated starchy foods -- Bagels, pasta, rice, potatoes, large rolls, pizza, pretzels, popcorn, chips, many fat-free foods and ready-to-eat cereals. Choose small portions of these due to their high carbohydrate density. Use whole grains and legumes (starchy beans) in preference to refined starches. http://www.high-triglycerides.com/herbal-remedies/high-triglycerides/food-high-in-triglycerides http://www.chesiel.com/food-and-nutritions/effects-of-honey-on-cholesterol-and-triglycerides-854.html

Another interesting thing for me personally is that I actually have had blood values checked of fP-Triglycerides, 0.4-2.6 was the range. I had 0.4 (three times). Can't say if this range is same around the world, probably not, but I also got very low cholesterol. And there is a Cholesterol <-> Triglycerol connection from what I understand. Maybe my good cholesterol levels and low Triglycerol levels are due to me not consuming many products that raise the values. Skin is clear and levels beneficial (or maybe a bit "too good" and slightly on the low side).

Robert.O.SWE (talk) 18:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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