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editHello, Robschmidt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially your edits to Hops. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
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Note: Type of source that should not be used: https://www.kaliana.com/pages/coffee-chocolate-confidence rds 15:07, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Hops
editHi Rob -- my issues with your references are 1) PMID 9757514 is an old, comparative medicine study, a long way from meeting WP:MEDRS where systematic reviews, meta-analyses and national or international scientific organizations and/or regulatory bodies (like FDA, National Academy of Medicine or EFSA) would have to discuss the findings as scientifically valid in a published review on the topic; and 2) PMID 22849837 is a study on quail, i.e., a lab study, so is WP:PRIMARY and a long way from meeting WP:MEDRS. Wikipedia presents scientifically validated facts rather than ongoing research results on indiscriminate findings per WP:IINFO. Thanks for asking; we can discuss this further here on your page. I'll add a welcome message for you with some useful links on using Wikipedia --Zefr (talk) 22:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
User:Zefr Thank you Zefr! That actually makes a lot of sense the way that you put it. I understand now. Regarding WP:MEDRS, is the reason my edits need one of those sources due to the content I am contributing? Meaning, if I wasn't making any statements about health/medicine/studies it would be okay to use a different source? For example, if I was talking about common tea blends using hops, a WP:PRIMARY would be acceptable?
Also, do I need to tag you using User:Zefr or is it common practice to watch a page you're contributing to so pinging you is not necessary?
I hope that makes sense! Thank you again. rds (talk) 23:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Watching your page, so you don't have to ping. Thanks. Regarding non-medical statements and sources, you still need a reliable secondary source to support it. If sleeping on hops-filled pillows was an important entry, could you produce a WP:SECONDARY source for it?
- From Rob: Would you mind responding to my questions here?
- 1. Do you have any tips for identifying reliable/proven sources vs ones that are not? Choosing sources
- 2. Any sites that are commonly used as sources but do not contain credible information? Avoid predatory sources and disciplines that do not usually publish in the scientific peer-reviewed literature, such as naturopathy, osteopathy, chiropractic, traditional medicine
- 3. Any sites that you recommend searching? When you search Pubmed, use systematic reviews as much as possible
- It may seem tedious, but if you read the sections of WP:MEDRS, there will be answers to these questions concerning medical/clinical/biological topics and sources that eventually affect how the typical encyclopedia user (think of a high school student) would seek information that is best when basic and supported by the highest-quality science. --Zefr (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for all of that. I have a lot of reading to do :D
As for the hops filled pillows (in case your question wasn't rhetorical), I was actually just tying what was already there into what I was adding. I'm not familiar with that old wive's tale.
I'll post here with any further questions I have, still determined to make a positive contribution to the Hops page haha.
I truly appreciate your assistance, I'll make sure to pay it forward later on. rds (talk) 23:17, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, good luck! --Zefr (talk) 23:23, 7 December 2016 (UTC)