Roger McCoy

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Hey Roger! welcome to WP. Feel free to talk to me on my 'talk' page. george 02:48, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Re: Grey Hulk ("Joe Fixit")

I see why you made the edit, but there wasn't a contradiction per se between para 1 & para 2 here. The first paragraph ("The Grey Hulk personality briefly appeared (with green skin) towards the end of the Hulk's original series in the 1960s") referred to the Hulk from the latter part of IH (vol 1) #4, and #5-6, and the ("Contrary to occasional belief, the "Joe Fixit" Grey Hulk has little in common with the Hulk from Incredible Hulk (volume 1) #1 beyond the skin colour, and they are not the same version of the character.) referred to the Hulk from IH (vol 1) #1-2 and the early part of #3 (which itself had green skin for the latter two issues). Have you read IH v1, OoC? - SoM 09:59, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have it in "Essential" format, which I've read through a few times. (I actually have a mostly-complete collection of the Hulk, with the only significant gap being from around #110-190.) Although you are correct that it wasn't a contradiction "per se", the following phrases are confusing at best when played against each other:

"The Grey Hulk personality briefly appeared (with green skin) towards the end of the Hulk's original series in the 1960s, and again re-emerged in the mid-80s with the grey skin which would become associated with this incarnation just prior to the start of the lengthy Peter David run." (Boldface added.)

"Contrary to occasional belief, the "Joe Fixit" Grey Hulk has little in common with the Hulk from Incredible Hulk (volume 1) #1 beyond the skin colour, and they are not the same version of the character."

The first sentence seems to indicate that the same character was "re-emerging", rather than a different character making an appearance, whereas the second seems to indicate the opposite. Another reason for the change, though, was because of a comment that Rick Jones had made in #326 in regard to the newly re-emerged grey hulk:

"Then, there was a muffled, crashing sound -- the tank shattering, as you -- that is, the Hulk... the original Grey hulk... broke loose." (Italics and boldface preserved from the original text.)

Of course, it is entirely possible that Rick was making a faulty assumption or referring solely to skin color, but I don't really think he was. If you compare Al Milgrom's Grey Hulk with the original Grey Hulk as written by Peter David, they are actually very similar. However, both Grey Hulks rapidly evolved: Lee's Grey Hulk turned green and went through numerous other changes, including a gradual personality change, while Milgrom's Grey Hulk rapidly moved in another direction, especially once taken over by Peter David. It's interesting what David himself wrote in the 30th anniversary issue (#393) under the guise of Doc Samson in the article "Psychological Rmifications of Gamma Radiation":

"The first Hulk, a gray-skinned behemoth, personified a regression from the superego to the ego. This Hulk houses Banner's will power and decision making, upon which Banner projected his rage. [...] At first the Hulk transformed at sunset and reverted to human form at dawn. Although the Hulk's skin pigment soon changed to green, he maintained the disposition of the gray Hulk for a while, even when encountering Betty. [...] The Hulk's emerald skin healed around the bullet, which had an unexpected positive effect... But even then the gray Hulk's savagery manifested... [...] General Thaddeus 'Thunderbolt' Ross interfered with my subsequent attempt to treat this condition, causing the green Hulk persona to possess Rick Jones. Banner subsequently used the gamma ray projector upon himself, little realizing that the gray Hulk was minipulating him from within. He transformed into his initial gray state."

Although there is definitely some room for interpretation, I feel that David was giving the strong impression that these two Hulks were the same, and, in fact, the gray hulk existed, albeit in a submerged state, throughout all of the first 325 issues before he re-emerged. This certainly allows some time for the personality of the character to evolve.

Just to play it safe, I tried to leave some room for interpretation, and I hope I succeeded in acknowledging both opinions. If your viewpoint differs, feel free to change it. The text, that is. ;-) Roger McCoy 04:01, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Oy. You are meant to check your edits. Don't just press "Save page". r3m0t ^talk 14:12, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

I generally do, but apparently I didn't look closely enough on this one. "Teh = the" seemed pretty safe, so I made the mistake of breezing through it too quickly. My mistake. Thanks for pointing this out; I'll be more careful next time. --Roger McCoy 03:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)