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File:KowloonCanton.svg

Re File: KowloonCanton.svg. This file will not support a non-free reduce as it does not have a width associated with it (it is a scaleable SVG). Wikipedia chooses to render all scalable SVGs at 512px. This should be changed Wikipedia-wide for non-free images rather than sizing files individually.   JaJaWa |say hello 

@JaJaWa: We know. The template adds it to Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing. All can we do with these is to reduce the default page size, so that Wikimedia does not show it as a big image. Wikipedia is showing it as 512 × 713 pixels which is 365K pixels - so when I search for images over 100K - it gets included. The method to change page size is shown at User:Ronhjones/SVGreduce. There are a lot of svg files in that category, we are busy (at present) with the vast amount of bitmap type files. Once these have been sorted out (could be a year), then this category will be looked at - there are also a lot of gif files in there as well (which the reducing bot cannot do). Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:28, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

File talk:Here Without You cover.jpeg

Hello. May you please undelete this page and then tag it as {{G8-exempt}}? This discussion has some value. --George Ho (talk) 03:26, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 12:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Last week’s MediaWiki version was rolled back from some wikis because of a problem. This means planned changes did not happen. [1]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 30 May at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to control who can notify you on the Wikimedia wikis. You will have a user blacklist. When you add a user to the blacklist you will not get a notification when they mention you. You can test this on Beta Wikipedia. You can read more and give feedback on Meta. [2]

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12:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Kermit's Swamp Years

If you be so kind to revert the vandalism on Kermit's Swamp Years, I be so grateful. — FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 23:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Anthony Ortega (musician)

Hi, could you please userfy me this article? He's a notable jazz artist in standard encyclopedias, and I'd like to resurrect the article with better sourcing. Chubbles (talk) 05:45, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Chubbles:  Done - Now at Draft:Anthony Ortega (musician) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Chubbles (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can see new files on Special:NewFiles. You can now pick which dates you want to see files from. [3]
• When you read Wikipedia on a mobile device the first paragraph now comes before the infobox. [4]
• You can now remove navigation elements from your results when you search. This could for example be part of an infobox that is only there to help you find the previous or next article. [5]
• New users on Wikivoyages and Wikipedias (except French, English and German) now get a notification when a page they created is connected to Wikidata. Other wikis will get it 13 June. [6]

Problems

• The MediaWiki version from two weeks ago was rolled back. It was fixed late last week. Changes that were planned to go out last week did not happen. [7]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia wikis can show fewer links to articles in other languages. This is to make it easier to find the languages likely to be useful to the reader or editor. Everyone can still click to see the full list. Logged-in users who use the compact language links will see languages they have in their Babel box on their user page in the first, shorter list. You can turn the compact language list off or on in your preferences. [8]
• You can choose what dates to look at when you look at a user's contributions. [9]
• When you click on your watchlist in the mobile view you get a list of all pages in the watchlist instead of the latest changes to them. Logged-in users with at least ten edits will now get the latest changes instead. [10]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
• String comparisons in Scribunto modules are now always done case-insensitively by byte order. Before they were sometimes in a case-sensitive US-English collation order. This could break some modules. [11]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The 2006 wikitext editor will be removed the week of 27 June. This is the old toolbar with small square blue buttons. You can see a picture of it. 0.03% of active Wikimedia editors use this old tool. They will not see a toolbar at all. [12][13]
• Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron already works on German Wikipedia. It will be on English Wikipedia later this week so you can test it there too. [14]
• The Architecture Committee will change and get a new name. You can read and comment on the draft that describes the new committee.

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19:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

A kind request to restore Converse Bank drafted article

Dear Ronhjones,

It's my pleasure to contact with you. Actually, I'm totally new in Wikipedia. Yesterday I created an article introducing background information about Converse Bank company. I've seen that yesterday you deleted the draft page written by me. Yesterday while creating my first draft, I was consulting with DrStrauss, one of the members of help center. After saving the draft he advised me to edit it by adding significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Afterwards, to create a userpage and paste this into it:

This user has publicly declared that he has a conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article Draft:Converse Bank.

. I also read the notification sent by [|Yeryry]

If it's possible I'd like to ask you to restore my drafted version, so that I could edit it and transfer to userpage? I would be very thankful if you could make it possible.

Thank you in advance for your support :)

Best Regards

Marianna Mezhlumyan

@MariannaMezhlumyan: Sorry, in this case it is not possible, we cannot restore copyrighted material back to Wikipedia. A large proportion of the text is a copy of https://www.conversebank.am/en/general-information/. If you send me an e-mail I can post it back. Please do not put it back on Wikipedia - the text entered will get compared with the rest of the internet. Copyright issues are usually deleted within the hour. If you want to use web material on a Wikipedia page you must get the copyright donated first - get the copyright holder to go to WP:CONSENT Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

VFPDataHandling.png and Windows 8 RE - advanced options.png

Hello.

It seems DatBot has made a mess of File:VFPDataHandling.png and File:Windows 8 RE - advanced options.png. Do you mind if you restore the now-hidden old revisions so that I can try an informed attempt?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: Done and tagged for manual reduction, will stop further tagging for bot - change to {{non-free no reduce}} if you can't get any smaller. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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Mosaic Netscape 0.9 on Windows XP.png

Hello

I bet the subject of my message already told you everything. DatBot has downsized File:Mosaic Netscape 0.9 on Windows XP.png and it hasn't done a very good job either. Could you please assist?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 11:37, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: :-) Done as before Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:44, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

File:Buzzfeed publication of Stanford Victim Impact Statement.png

Hi! You recently requested a lower resolution version of this image, which was dutifully produced by a bot within 48 hours. In this particular case, the image is a pull quote from the longer text (whose copyright is not held by BuzzFeed). Your request did not engage with the rationale for the resolution I posted, which appears in the image description:

Not replaceable with textual coverage because: Publication is accompanied by a carefully designed excerpt of the larger text, which is only understandable by directly viewing it at a resolution where it is legible.

Minimal use: Used once, resolution has been halved (not more so because legibility of the graphic is an element of understanding the image). Since the text is much longer, the image cannot substitute for an actual visit to the site.

What do you think of this reasoning?--Carwil (talk) 00:56, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Carwil:The guideline for size for non-free images is at WP:Image resolution. DatBot has correctly achieved this size. As it stands, if one zooms into the image, all the text is readable (sometimes the text does gets so corrupted that it never legible, not the case here). Obviously I think this image is fine, and I assume the deleting admin did the same. Maybe raise at WP:DELREV if you think it must be bigger.Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:32, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) Actually, WP:NFCC#3 is about not using more non-free content than we need, either by removing an entire file (WP:NFCC#3a) or by removing a part of a file (WP:NFCC#3b). The bot didn't remove any non-free content – the file still contains exactly the same text. Changing the pixel size only removes non-free content if the file is an artwork but not if the file is text. In other words, if the file is to be reduced, that means removing some of the words instead of removing some of the pixels. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Some wikis have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. When you write an edit summary there you can now see how many bytes you have left before the summary is too long. [15]
• When you search on Wikipedia you can now find pages on other Wikimedia projects that could be relevant. You see them next to the search results. [16]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 June. It will be on all wikis from 15 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will soon be able to get a notification when someone tries to log in to your account. You can test this on the test wiki. This will only work if they fail to log in to your account. [17]
• Wikimedia wikis use OCG to create PDFs. The OCG code has a lot of problems and will stop working. It has to be replaced. An alternative is Electron. You can tell the developers what you need the PDF service to be able to do. Electron now works on all Wikimedia projects. [18]
• Administrators can soon search for deleted page titles and find results that are similar to what they searched for. Today the search only finds pages that are exactly the same as what you search for. This is to make it easier to find pages when you don't know the exact title. Administrators on Arabic, Catalan, English, Persian, German, Italian, Polish, and Russian Wikipedia and on mediawiki.org can test this by adding &fuzzy=1 to the end of the web address when looking at Special:Undelete. [19][20]

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15:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Philippine Airlines destinations

Why did you revert? The airline has already started services to Kuala Lumpur on June 10, 2017. 107.77.219.35 (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

But this source states that it was launch http://ftnnews.com/aviation/32481-philippine-airlines-returns-to-kuala-lumpur.html. 107.77.219.35 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Ooops looks like my error, sorry for that. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I believe you reverted this edit made by another user as well but I am guessing it was an error as well. 107.77.219.35 (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

advisory question

Hello Mr.Jones i would like to know if persistent removal of flags in destination boxes of airport would be vandalisim, you may rember i reported an IP adress for that exact reason and you did block him\her. i would like to know if that would be vandalisim and if so is it a blockable offence? many people cite the avation project guidelines that say you can not do this but it also says that following any of the rules is optional. Please respond on my talk page. Thank you! Jkd4855 (talk) 22:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

thank you

thanks for the clarification Jkd4855 (talk) 03:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI / recent block

Hi there, I'm not sure if you follow the talk pages of users you recently blocked. If not, it may be worth looking at this diff of commentary the user added and removed again in response to the block. The user is now permanently blocked on Japanese Wiki and has temporary blocks on both English and Chinese (zh) Wiki. Not sure improvement is in sight. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 06:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jake Brockman: I ignore any comments like that. As an admin one needs to ignore them. Will be interesting to see what happens in a week - Wikipedia:Give 'em enough rope... Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

AWB image run

Hey there, removing extra spaces from an image description page is the very definition of an "insignificant or inconsequential edit" as prohibited in WP:AWBRULES #4. I wouldn't want your AWB privileges to be compromised! Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 01:00, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@TAnthony: It was a clean up of a bot test which did not go quite as planned and failed to remove the 2 blank rows at the top of the file page when it removed the template, after deleting the unused images. Bot code has now been changed. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

File:Aintham Padai.jpg

Your bot deleted one of the orphaned revisions and removed the template, but left the other orphaned revision. Not a big problem as my bot simply re-tagged the file again, but it looks strange. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:27, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan2: Thanks, maybe when I aborted the run as the template was not getting removed everytime, I'll fix it manually Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:33, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

This also happened with File:Farz Aur Kanoon.Jpg. It's not that bad if there are only two old revisions: there are only two extra edits (removal and re-addition of the template) and it only takes one extra week. However, once in a while there's a content dispute. Two users disagree on which film poster we should use, and suddenly the file has ten or twenty old revisions because of a revert war. Then it suddenly takes a lot of time (and results in a lot of extra edits) if the procedure becomes "delete one revision, untag, retag, wait one week". --Stefan2 (talk) 20:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan2: Odd. I had a nice run last night and a (I thought) a nice run today. There was no aborted run today. Clearly there is the odd situation where the bot misses a revert. Please let me know if you see another one - I can fix it straight away and not wait another week. I will have to save the screen log on the next runs - not that there is any guarentee that there is enough print statements is see the reason! If all else fails I might have to resort to reverts and selected deletes to trick the bot into thinking it a "normal" file to process, and re-process it. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Are you aware of a file for which your bot has successfully deleted two or more revisions? I haven't inspected your bot's edits too carefully. These two files were spotted when I checked some of my bot's edits. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan2: I thought that, but File:Harrods Estates logo.jpg went OK on trial #1. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Seemed (note past tense!) not to like multiple deletes sometimes - I think it got confused running through the abuse checks every version - now changed to running the abuse checks on the first pass - see File:Amira Nature Foods Logo.png - went badly at first, then managed to get it to work. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• ORES had some problems on 13 June between 16:00 and 19:40 UTC. It has now been fixed. [21]

Changes this week

• irc.wikimedia.org has to be rebooted. This will probably happen on 21 June. It may be postponed. Some tools use this to get the recent changes feed. They will not work when it is down. [22]
• Special:PageData will be an entry point for machine-readable page data. [23]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 June. It will be on all wikis from 22 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. You can now see how the TemplateStyles extension works on Beta Labs.

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15:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2017-26

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The <inputbox> has a new searchfilter parameter. You can add values like searchfilter=insource:foo. It will add that to the user's search query. [24]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 June. It will be on all wikis from 29 June (calendar).
• Users will be able to choose whether they want to see Wikidata changes in enhanced watchlist/recent changes. Previously, this was disabled for everyone. [25]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the next WMF Language team office hour, an open session to talk about Wikimedia Language projects. The meeting will be on 27 June at 13:00 UTC. [26]

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15:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Downscaling pixel art which is already low resolution

I see that you're making a large amount of requests to reduce image resolution to comply with the NFC guideline. This is OK for photography in jpg and other lossy formats, but reducing the resolution of pixel art is way more problematic.

1. For start, desktop images in any dimension equal or below 1024x768 have an amount of pixels which is below the 1 Mpx allowed by the guideline. I believe that threshold was deliberately chosen so that screenshots in these legacy formats didn't need to be reduced.
2. Further reducing the resolution of software terribly mangles it, as software widgets are composed of clear lines and pixelated text, which get blurry when re-scaled. In order for a pixel-based software image to be useful, it should be rendered as close as possible to the original. The amount of product included in the article (a screenshot) with respect to the original (a whole software program or desktop environment) is already minimal, so it complies with the policy by far.
3. In particular when requesting that a bot automatically does it, the resulting image is often unreadable, with broken lines and random noise.

Having unusable non-free images in the project, that don't serve the use for which they have been included in an article, is a worse violation of the policy than simply showing a static full-size image of the software.

Cheers! Diego (talk) 20:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Where is 1Mpx guideline? - I know WP:Image resolution, with is 0.1MPx. For images like this, when objected I use {{non-free manual reduce}} to set the image for someone to do it manually and ensure that enough information is retained. Once a suitable reduction (and still readable) is achieved, we can use {{non-free no reduce}} instead. There are a lot of files in both Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing and Category:Non-free images tagged for no reduction - possible nothing will be done for a long time (most other Windows screenshots are in one of these cats). The presence of one of these makes sure I don't re-tag them again for bot reduction by accident. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Of course you're right about 0.1Mpx being the "safe" threshold in the guideline, my fault. (Note to myself to follow WP:SLEEPY and avoid calculations after my due bed time). The 1Mpx figure quoted there is when it definitely "will require a close review".

However, my main argument remains, i.e. that desktop software screenshots (and maybe pixel art and other "pure digital", "non scalable" images) should be given more leeway than logos, DVD covers or printed maps. The rationale for the 0.1Mpx limit in the guideline is the same I stated for the 640x480 and 1024x768 cases, which is to avoid distorting software screenshots in some very common legacy formats. Maybe web pages and mobile apps would not need this special treatment, as they are more easily scalable; but almost all desktop software typically depends on a fixed pixel density, and varying it will always produce a very poor effect, even with the best smooth rescaling algorithms. My position is that if the screenshot is contextually relevant enough for the article to include it, it should be shown undistorted; otherwise, we'd be better of without it at all, rather than keeping an unreadable non-free mess and using the NFCC exception for no good.

I think I'll raise this concern at the NFCC talk page. I've seen several other guys here and there reverting a poor reduction work of some other software screenshots, so I believe the problem is shared by some other guys. Diego (talk) 21:30, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

@Diego Moya: That's why there is the 2 categories to show that the image should not be bot reduced. You will find a large number of screenshots which I have put in there. A few editors have assisted by reducing their images manually - say from 1024x768 to 640x480 and not much degradation of image. Sadly we have got into a huge backlog of oversized images - for a variety of reasons - the main one being how difficult it was to find them - since search upgrades last November we can now search for a given resolution (sqrt of pixel count), thus we have been able to make inroads into the backlog. Also that was only possible once we sorted out a dead reducing bot! However there will always be the odd image that does not reduce well, sometimes one cannot tell until the bot actually does the reduction, and of course then there is 7 days to revert it (and I have happily done it after 7 days when requested). Current failure rate is in the order of less than 0.2%, which I think is very reasonable figure. The total number of oversized images is now 150K - it was 250K when I started sorting them out. I am currently down at fileres:>497 (247009 px), I guess there is still a year's worth of tagging to do... Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:49, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Outlander

Hello! I download an international photo of the Outlander tv show, but you constantly delete the image. Why are you doing this? And if it seems wrong to you, can you upload a photo of Outlander by yourself ?? Larssonus (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Larssonus: The image is not free. It cannot be uploaded to commons. Only images of CC-BY-SA or less strict copyright can be used on commons. Press releases do not have a sufficient release - all material on commons is available for re-use for any purpose, including commercial. You could upload it locally here as a non-free image, if you can comply with WP:NFCC - you would need the template from WP:FURG plus {{non-free poster}} as a license (check out other posters to see how they are formatted - Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Non-free_poster). Also any image over 100,000 pixels will soon get tagged for an automatic reduction to comply with WP:Image resolution. Note that local images can only be used on en-wiki pages. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

FJCU Logo

Hi there! Thanks for replying to my message on my Help! page :D

I'm still confused on what to do. I am still not aware on how to upload the image of the logo to the wikipedia and do as what you have told me in the intructions. Could you perhaps give me a link to a place that shows me how to do it? Thank You :D

Vincenty846 (talk) 23:20, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@Vincenty846: Here's an easy way for this case.

1 Get the image from zh-wiki onto your pc.

2 Open the edit window on File:FuJenCathU.png (wikisource, not visual editor) and copy ALL the text into notepad or similar (or copy from below)

== Summary ==
{{Non-free use rationale logo
| Article           =  Fu Jen Catholic University
| Use               = Infobox
| Purpose           =
| Source    =   http://www.fju.edu.tw/#&panel1-2
}}

== Licensing ==
{{Non-free logo|image has rationale=yes|auto=yes}}

3 Goto Special:Upload - use the "browse" button to find the file on your PC, and copy the text from notepad into the large box - leave the rest of the boxes and press "Upload File".

4 As a new user it might go belly up, let me know if you fail and I'll do it. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:40, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi there ! I've done it and succeeded in replacing the logo. Thank you very much for your help :D

However, I did somehow mess up and claimed this logo as my own work (which it is not) here : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fu_Jen_Catholic_University_Seal.png

Could you perhaps help me delete it ? I'm totally lost on how to delete this file that I uploaded.

Thank you :D Vincenty846 (talk) 03:08, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Gone when I got there (on commons there is a nominate for deletion link in left margin). I removed the warning as you knew it was wrong, and said why. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:16, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-27

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There was a problem with maps on Wikimedia wikis that used <mapframe> when you clicked on the link to another map service. Open Street Map or Google Maps are examples of other map services. If you had marked a place on the map the marker would not be in the same place on the other map service. It was in the middle of the map. This has now been fixed. [27]

Changes this week

• Very old and inactive unpublished translations in the Content Translation database will be removed. This is because of technical maintenance. If you have not worked on a translation after 1 January 2016 you will lose it after 6 July. If you want to keep the unfinished translation you need to open it before 6 July with the Content Translation tool. You can continue working on it later. Translations that were started or have been worked on after 1 January 2016 will not be affected.
• There is no new Mediawiki version this week.
• EventStreams is a new way to show activity on Wikimedia wikis. It works with the recent changes feed. It will do more things later. It will replace RCStream. Tools that use RCStream should move to EventStreams before 7 July. Tech News wrote about this in the 2017/07 issue. [28]

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15:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Fake admin

Hi, sorry to bother you, this user User:Alldina Roewi Branasti is pretending to be an admin on their user page, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 00:16, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: Well spotted, I've changed the text (and revdel the old version), also messaged on talk page. If he changes it back then we might have to consider proper warnings. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

thanks, hopefully he'll be good now Atlantic306 (talk) 00:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Black Sabbath- Children of the Grave.jpg

I will reduce this image but the links on the non-free reduce template leads me here which does not explain about what the resolution should be. Can you point to a page (section) which explains what the size should be, My [sic]reculation is 250-350 which this file already meets. (sorry my spell check is not working :P ) - FlightTime (open channel) 00:43, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@FlightTime: Yes, it's not a good link (I didn't write it) - I'll see if I can improve it. WP:Image resolution is the guideline - don't bother reducing it, DatBot6 will do it within 24h to the biggest size to meet guideline. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:00, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much, - FlightTime (open channel) 01:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It seems a bot reduced it already. - FlightTime (open channel) 01:43, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Non-free reduce on File:Neko Janai mon! covers.jpg

This image is already reduced as far as it needs to be. The visible cover is about 250px wide, and the rest of the image shows spines of the other volumes. There's no reason to reduce it further, so I would appreciate you stopping tagging it. Thanks. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Escape the Night

Escape the Night is under a mass attack and needs to be protected right away. 99.53.112.186 (talk) 20:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Request For assistance

Hello Mr.Jones, how would you reccomend that i handle a person that is constantly hounding all of my edits, we dissgaree on one main topic that is a contested one in our wikigroup. but even for edits outside of that topic he continues to hound me. i was wondring what the best course of action would be. i have allready left a message on his talkpage and he has not responded. Thank You Jkd4855 (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jkd4855: If you cannot agree with an editor, then we have Wikipedia:Dispute resolutionRonhjones  ^(Talk) 19:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

A word of caution

[29] This is where I can see problems in how fast you are tagging things at a rate that there is no human judgement involved, which got people in trouble before with using semi-automated tools for NFC enforcement, and why I'm asking for a delay on DatBot as to minimize what some others might see as disruptive behavior. You had already tagged this image two days ago. DatBot reduced it a day later; the problem is that I was on travel and had no way to react to your tag, which I would have removed before DatBot got to it since I have a rational of why its larger than 0.1MP. Instead, I had to undo all the steps. Now, you have just retagged it, even though you said on the DatBot talk page that you mark those that had been reverted. This is probably not the normal case you are expecting, but this is something that shows no human check on the process and that other editors will get on your case about if it happened to their images. I know what you're doing is correct and I'm trying to help smooth out the process, but there will be editors out for you based on how they got on BetaCommand/Delta's case about rapid use of semi-automated tools for NFC enforcement. The DatBot delay I'm suggesting basically makes your tagging more a no-harm, no-foul situation to give editors time to correct and your actions seem inconsequential. --MASEM (t) 23:27, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Masem: The rate of tagging has no relation to the rate of viewing, not sure if I said to you before (it's been explained a few times in the archived talk pages), but viewing the list of images takes some considerable time before I do the runs applying the tag - I use the same search parameter in firefox and awb at the same time (to get the same list), then view all the images in Firefox before running awb. It has to be done that way as there is no image preview in awb, and opening each image window one by one and adding the tag is also impractical (even with my javascript quick add). At the start there were quite a few to leave out (e.g. screenshots with small text), much less now that I'm down to 228K sized images. When an image is reverted, I get a notification and I examine the image (your image notification just arrived) and I usually add a template. If editors just edit the page and remove the tag, then I get no notification and often it gets tagged again (I cannot visually remember every image tagged) - then they normally drop me a note. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

That last case (where if they don't revert but just edit out) is something that I can see going to cause a problem with others, going off what happened to BetaCommand. Editors are going to expect you to review histories and the like if you are re-adding tags they just removed (eg within the last week, not from 2-3 years ago), and while you say you are loading images to check, I think you may need to have an additional check against your lists of what you've done - if you see an image that you have done relatively recently (last month?) pop up again, you might want to either hold off or make sure you spend time to check the history to make sure that re-tagging it is valid (for example, if there is zero statement in the rationale or edit summaries to explain why they removed non-free reduce, then you're good to re-add). I'm sure the 99.7+% you're doing there's no tricks, but it was that small fraction that got BetaCommand in trouble before, and where I see more recent semi-automated editing also being frowned upon in other areas of WP. --MASEM (t) 23:53, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Masem: OK, good idea - I will start saving my awb lists that are executed, and compare with any new proposed new list before executing. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:03, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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15:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Question

Hi, Ron - the Matlock_Rose.jpeg is the size the UNT Library allows for download by the public under its license. I can understand why some fair-use images taken off the internet would need reduction but this image is compliant with the fair use license required by the UNT Library. If there was a crop tool handy like we have at Commons, I'd simply crop some of the sky but why bother? ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: Changed tag to a no reduction one. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:41, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Ron!! ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

190.232.12.21

FYI, did you happen to see this IPs block log? From what it looks like, this appears to be a long-term issue. Regards. 2601:1C0:10B:6D5:5C50:CA04:F35F:9FA (talk) 23:51, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@2601:1C0:10B:6D5:5C50:CA04:F35F:9FA: Well spotted, mouse must have slipped when I selected time Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:55, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

The 'Map' of the Grand Union Canal

Dear Ron, on the map of the Grand Union Canal, on the Wikipedia page of that name the canal is correctly marked as going in an aqueduct to the north of Milton Keynes. The river which has been named as the one which the canal crosses is, however, incorrect. The name of that river is the 'River Great Ouse'. The 'Ouzel'does indeed exist, and close by, but it is not the one which the canal crosses. Sources: 1)local knowledge (I live in Milton Keynes), 2) a look at the map and 3) the information boards near to the "Iron Trunk aqueduct". Best wishes, Luke Wiseman 17:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@79.73.163.74: Not guilty - I put "Ouse" in original - that was changed by User:Bob1960evens at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Grand_Junction_Canal_Route_Map&diff=next&oldid=653917575 Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:46, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I have changed it back to River Great Ouse. However, the map that you mention only appears on the Grand Junction Canal article, and not on the Grand Union. Bob1960evens (talk) 08:30, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

File:The Riddle of the Sphinx.jpg

Thanks, I didn't know about that template. I'm definitely behind your project to see non-free images reduced in size- keep up the good work! Josh Milburn (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit (and expanded the rationale/added the "don't reduce please" template) at File:The Devil of Christmas poster.jpg for the same reason. Hope that's OK. Josh Milburn (talk) 23:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@J Milburn: Fine - WP:Image resolution is only a guideline. There will always be a small number of images that don't fit the standard size Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:46, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Bot task approved

Your recent bot task has been Approved. You can see the full details at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RonBot. You should receive both bot and admin flags shortly. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 21:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: Thanks. I intend to run daily at 3am UK time using a scheduled batch file containing.. python deleter.py >c:\python27\bot\log\%RANDOM%.txt Thus I get a new log file for each day (I've been testing this with a non-saving version). Eventually I will remove the many print statements. I just need to stop Sphilbrick clearing out the category before the bot runs... Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Ha, just let him know the bot is around and I'm sure he'd prefer to focus on other things. There will be plenty of files needing human assessment, I'm sure. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 22:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Question — what will the bot do if it finds a file with the template, but all the old revisions have already been revdeleted? I hope that it will simply remove the template, rather than ignoring the file completely. I skimmed through the BRFA without finding anything, so I'm unclear if that situation hasn't been addressed, or if I simply missed something. Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Interesting question. The bot first checks that (a) the final size is <100000 pixels and (b) there have been no edits for the 7 waiting days - if either fails it adds "human=yes" to the template and moves on. If OK, then it will get a list of old images, remove from that list any that are "filehidden", and rev del what is left, then it removes the template on a separate api call. I'm certain that if there is nothing to do and the initial check is OK - then the template gets removed. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I think you made some sort of mistake; I came here because I didn't have a rollback link at this page in Special:Contributions, having never gotten a ping. That sounds reasonable, and I suppose a human would eventually find it, even if that didn't happen. I just know that I've several times done a revdeletion and then forgotten to remove the NFR template, so of course the image stayed in the category improperly; I can assume that this will occasionally happen when sentient admins go through the |human=yes queues, especially since the bot's activity will mean that humans will go through less often and thus be prone to make oops-I-forgot-that mistakes more often. Nyttend (talk) 00:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Look at last line of User:Ronhjones/common.js it adds in User:Ronhjones/rescaledsidebar.js (which is based on User:B/rescaledsidebar.js - but that does not work with the new "human=yes" in the template). The script adds "rescaled" to your toolbox in left margin (only when showing an image), and when clicked revdels the images, removes the template and refreshes the window. I've not manually revdeled an orphaned image for ages. P.S. The script when installed will respond to Alt-Shift-S - saves moving the mouse. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I see that Ronbot is running (yay!), but Category:Non-free_files_with_orphaned_versions_more_than_7_days_old is growing (?) What am I missing?--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

FYI, I just read through the request for approval process. I had read an earlier version, so knew this was far more complicated than one might imagine, but this second review reinforced that observation. Thanks for all the work, and thanks to both Ron and Rob.--S Philbrick(Talk) 02:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Bot running fine. 2500 files processed since approved. Cat is growing as I'm tagging as much as I can for reduce!. As far as I can see the bot clears the cat when it gets run (Windows is set to schedule it to run at 3am UK time - 02:00 UTC at present). It did 550 files last night in 71 minutes. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Sounds great. I had noticed the count going up each day, so wondered. of course, the day I ask, it drops. That said, I noticed File:ACPE Logo.jpg in the queue several days ago and it is still there. Is there some reason it isn't being handled? Forgive me if I'm not following how this works, but I expected that a file would be added to the cat when re-sized, and removed the next day when the bot runs (or moved to the manual intervention cat if it couldn't be processed).

Second question. It looks like you cleverly replaced Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old with Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old needing human review on this page: Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion which makes perfect sense, but {{CSD-categories}} still includes the first cat. I know enough to ignore it, and we both know most admins ignore it, but if we get a new zealous admin looking to clear out backlogs, they may stumble across it, not knowing that should ignore it. Do you agree? It may be as simple as changing it in {{CSD-categories}}, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Alteratively (or additionally), should we modify the instructions on Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old to note that this is now handled by a bot, so the instructions should only be followed if the bot is not working? If you were planning to do this after the bot is fully vetted, my apologies for jumping the gun. I'm just concerned that some brand-new admin is going to stumble across this page, and attempt to clear out the apparent backlog.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:47, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Good ideas - feel free to try and fix the cats - I did add a notice at top of Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old, maybe not obvious enough. I did fix Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion, not looked at {{CSD-categories}}. Odd behaviour with that file, The system makes a new log each day on my PC - I'll have a look at them and see if the file is getting picked up, and what action happened. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Log is clear One of the potentially free categories were found. Skipping. - has Category:Possibly free imagesRonhjones  ^(Talk) 21:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I did miss that notice. I see it now, but I added a more prominent one.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Image size for File:Sun-1 Badge.jpg

Hi Ron, I'm responding to the reduce tag for the above image.

The current image size is only ~221,000 pixels. Although this is definitely larger than the 100,000 pixel "low end" that WP:IMAGERES notes, I'd ask to take into account that the aspect ratio is about 10.4:3, or more than two and half times the 4:3 aspect ratio the guideline uses for its example. And of course, it's still much smaller than the 1 megapixel "extreme" the same section notes.

When I originally posted this image, I did take the no-free image guidelines into consideration, and made sure the smaller dimension was less than 300 pixels, setting it to 849x260. This seemed to fit the spirit of the size guidelines; for example, record album covers are commonly posted at size 300 x 300, and the short dimension for this image is 13% smaller than that.

If it's OK with you, I'd like to tag this image {{non-free no reduce}}. Does this seem reasonable? Thanks, NapoliRoma (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

@NapoliRoma: Template changed. One could debate as to whether this might qualify for a {{PD-textlogo}} template. It is rather simple - one would need to ask someone who is more aware of the c:COM:TOO in the US (if it was UK, I'd say no, but each country is rather different). Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:05, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Thanks also for the link to the TOO discussion -- something I hadn't been aware of (and I hadn't even considered that the "non-free" issue is of course about copyrights rather than trademarks).--NapoliRoma (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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Why proposing to reduce an image?

Hello. You recently tagged File:Memory and Five Mile Creek (1995).jpg‎ for reduction in resolution. I am aware of the general principle of non-free images being low-res, but I have several times now seen this happen to a degree that the image is rendered useless or too poor quality to support the article. The current version of this image is already at a limit of making out the features of the artwork. Further reduction appears to me unwise. Can I ask that you prevent the proposed downgrading of the image? Thanks. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Hamiltonstone: The vast majority of non free images (>99.8%) will be just fine at the guidline size of 100,000 pixels. There will always be a few images that don't work at that size. I have changed the template to a no reduce one for you. The presence of the template will ensure I do not tag it again. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:06, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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How does WP:F5 apply?

I'm just one of those wikipedians who contribute images occasionally without knowing much about the mystifying dos and don'ts surrounding images. With this edit you placed the tag "Orphaned non-free file(s) deleted per F5 (disable)" which zapped the image from the article. How does WP:F5 apply when the image was being used in an article? Moriori (talk) 02:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Moriori: Only the unused image was deleted - the current image is still there and the article looks OK. Non-free image history can only have the text data, not all the images. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Google Video Player window.png

Your bot removed the template and claimed to have deleted the old revision, but apparently it wasn't deleted. Any idea why this happened? --Stefan2 (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan2: No idea. The log shows the correct image number (20170708000541), it shows a successful gain of a delete token and seemed to go through OK. The api call is just a call to the system (api.APIRequest(site, params).query()). If it fails for some reason, it does not do anything. Since the template removal has to be done as a separate api call, it will get removed. I'm not sure if one can get a "result" back from an api call in python. I will have to investigate. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Are you awake?

Hey, Ron? I need your help. Are you online? ^{Atsme📞📧} 05:52, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: Not at 7am UK time! Usual here 8pm to 2 am UK (bit variable on Sun/Mon) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

So...is it customary for editors to get "crusty" and start banning people from the TP after about their 6th year of editing WP? ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: No one can "ban" anyone from a page (save the ArbCom) as non one owns a page. I have known editor X ask editor Y not to post on editor X's talk page - if they don't want to talk then that's their problem, not yours. Otherwise edit where you like. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I was jokingly talking about me after a round of NPP which is nothing compared to trying to keep a political article in compliance with NPOV. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: Always avoid politics and religion - there is never any middle ground... :-) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:03, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

COMPLAINT FROM USER

Hello,

Thank you for calling my attention to the report, i recently reviewed a page Tan Songyun which was created by a blocked editor with username "Xdeluna". After placing a speedy deletion template on the page an IP address removed the deletion template [[36]]. Subsequently another edit and comment was made by another IP. I suspect it's the same person, or the creator of the page or someone with interest to the page. After i made the first revert he/she did, awards/nominations were added to the page. I would really be happy if you can also review the page for me. Thanks in advance Zazzysa (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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File:VIXX Hades (EP) cover.jpg

You cannot revert at File:VIXX Hades (EP) cover.jpg[37] and then quickly delete per F5[38] - I'm more than happy to discuss this however you cannot use admin tools to get your own way so please revert and we'll discuss it!, Thank you. –Davey2010^Talk 17:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry my error, I meant to just F5 the other two. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

No worries and I apologise for sounding snappy, Thanks for kindly restoring it, I know we're both going to disagree with each other so is there a way we can compromise ?, My main issue is that "Hades" and "Aions" cannot be read under your version, I realise files need to be small but they also need to be readable and as Hades are the group that made the song realistically their name should be readable ?, Anyway thanks again for restoring :), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 19:51, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) In my web browser, the words "Hades" and "Aions" are larger than the text on this talk page and I can both read the text on the cover and the text on this talk page. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:35, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan2 and Davey2010: I have to agree with Stefan2 - if one wants to examine the image, it's always possible to zoom in - the text does not have to be readable at the default size - which is going to vary so much with individual users device and screen resolutions. The key question is if the text is distorted so much that it's not readable - I don't see that is the case here. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Stefan2 & Ron - So does images vary on laptop screens aswell ? ... I mean they obviously would look different but I assumed text wise they'd all be the same regardless of screen res ?, If I were to zoom it'd be pixelated which I assume would be the case for everyone else?, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 21:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@Davey2010:I assume so - here's the image on my PC after full zoom - http://www.ronjones.org.uk/misc/VIXX..jpg Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ron, Holy crap that looks massive compared to mine, Obviously if I zoom in it's just pixelated, Well I had no idea it would vary like this ...., Okie dokie in that case did u just wanna redelete ?, No point waiting 7 days, Apologies for the unintentional fuss, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 01:12, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@Davey2010: No problem. It's nice to know that these differences exist. Information I can possibly use some other time. (My screen is set to 2048 x 1152, which for a modern PC with a wide screen monitor, is not that unusual - I don't use the 3840 x 2160 as the icons are so very small.... :-) I'll go and delete your screenshot before someone puts it up as a copyvio. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:19, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done Handy being an admin in both camps. It can wait the 7 days, my bot will sort it out then. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:22, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I had no idea they did I just assumed what was on screen was the same as everyone elses but apparently not lol, Wow that's one huge screen! , Mine's only 1280x800!, Biggest I've used is 1366x768 but that's it at the moment, Oh shit yeah sorry It's 'cos I'm so used to uploading everything there! - Thanks for that, Okie dokie anyway thanks again for your help much appreciated, Happy editing :), –Davey2010^Talk 01:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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• CSS in templates will be stored in a separate page in the future. This will make it easier to make templates look good on mobile devices. This now works on mediawiki.org and Wikitech. It will come to more wikis later. [39][40][41]
• .mw-ui-constructive modifier class is deprecated and has been removed. [42]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 July. It will be on all wikis from 27 July (calendar).
• It will be possible to restrict who can send you notifications on a wiki. This new feature will accessible in your preferences, in the Notifications tab, on Wednesday, July 26. Please see the documentation. [43]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 25 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the Wikimedia Foundation July 2017 Metrics & Activities Meeting. The meeting is about how Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement are perceived and understood by the world. The meeting will be on 27 July at 19:00 (UTC). See the agenda and how to join.

Future changes

• New Filters for Edit Review, at the moment available as a Beta feature, will be released by default for the Recent Changes in September.

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15:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Java WebStartApplicationMan.png

Hello

It appears DatBot has made a mess of File:Java WebStartApplicationMan.png. The funny thing is: I audited this file! But I guess a caching problem prevented me from seeing what the bot actually had done.

Can you assist?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 10:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: Caught out by the caching - join the club. All sorted. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:58, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Zui quan

Hi there,

I noticed that a couple of years ago you semi-protected the article Drunken Master because of vandalism. I was wondering if you had any record of what happened then or who was involved, as I'm extremely skeptical that there's a hoax going on on the related page Zui quan, and I wanted to check out if any of the same issues, users, or IPs were involved in both. Landscape repton (talk) 11:21, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@Landscape repton: Wow - that took some tracing! - Have a read - User_talk:Ronhjones/Archive_27#Martial_arts_vandal_is_back Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:23, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Really old photo issue probably needs resolved

I really liked the photo File:El Hadj M'Hamed El Anka plays the Oud.jpg but I'm convinced it isn't a free image. I can't prove it, but the French Wikipedia deleted their copy as not free. I noticed you editing a photo that I was involved with, so thought you might the right one to approach.Jacqke (talk) 23:17, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Well there's a curved ball you tossed at me. I tend to agree with you. We are unlikely to to be able to find an earlier image still on the net (although there are bigger ones). I suppose an FFD would do to sort it out one way or another. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:37, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jacqke: Watch this space Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2017_July_25#File:El_Hadj_M.27Hamed_El_Anka_plays_the_Oud.jpg

Will do, thanks.Jacqke (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Vandal IP report

Hello, I am asking you for administrator intervention against vandalism of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.183.157.199 . Almost every his edit can be marked as vandalism. If you can help, thanks you very much. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, blocking someone anonymous who has enough guts to stand bullying by 'The Centre' & his 'registrered friends' is just what the Wikipedia needs. Kudos for TheCentreCZ, who is not ashamed to cry for help - instead of discussing content of the articles fair and square.;-) You can ask to block me - as the antisemitic zemanofascits on Czech Wiki did, instead of bothering with discussions, which are not favourable to their leader's worldview anyway. ;-) -109.183.157.199 (talk) 23:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@ThecentreCZ: Suggest report at WP:AIV - I suspect he needs more warnings Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@109.183.157.199: Yes, so antisemitic. Your edit on Party of Civic Rights is so relevant when President Miloš Zeman is close friend of President Reuven Rivlin.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ThecentreCZ (talk • contribs)

False accusations are still false accusations, even with your unsubstantianted attempts to harm me (without your FALSE unsubstantianted accusations of antisemitism). :-ú Pathetic fascist Miloš Zeman is still friends with Assad, Putin and other similar antisemitic fascists who are sooo close to him. I just don't understand why are even you tryin' to smear me here?-109.183.157.199 (talk) 00:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm quite OK to report that I have no way to be supportive to accept possible accusactions of having anything in common with zemano-fascits users, and their associated antisemitists and I'd be quite disappointed if someone would mistake me with their "fancies", despite their (rather pathetic) attempts to smear me. Yours.--109.183.157.199 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)01:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Non-free image size

Hi Ronhjones, I noticed that you tagged some of my images for downsizing. What size should I make these images in the future to avoid being tagged? In other words, what is your typical threshold for tagging them? Kaldari (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kaldari: Not my views, but a formal guideline (WP:Image resolution), which states that images should ideally be under 100,000 pixels, unless a good case can be put forward to have an image larger than that size. In general we find, photos, record covers, film posters, book covers, etc. can be reduced satisfactory to that size. The exceptions are often where there is some important text within the image which pixelates badly on reduction. We now have some useful tools to help editors - DatBot6 will reduce any image that has a {{non-free reduce}} template to the biggest possible size under 100,000 pixels (so no real need for editors to calculate what the size can be). After 7 days RonBot will do the revision delete of the unused images. Note that this does not apply to gif files (the python image library often corrupts a gif, also svg and pdf files cannot be auto reduced - they end up in Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing, for manual reduction). Images that have to be left bigger than the guideline can be tagged with {{non-free no reduce}}, and they then are added to Category:Non-free images tagged for no reduction - I suspect some of these images will eventually get challenged... Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I thought that I was staying within the tolerance of WP:Image resolution, but if it's meant to be interpreted more strictly, I'll start making sure I'm always under 100,000. I don't want to be creating extra work for people. Do you have a specific size that you patrol for? For example, anything bigger than 100,000 or is there some wiggle room? I often make upright images slightly larger than 100,000 to make sure they aren't scaled up when displayed in the article. Kaldari (talk) 13:05, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kaldari: No extra work - DatBot6 is an automatic python script and runs a few times a day (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/DatBot 6). It will ignore any reduction request less than 5%, so 105000 pixels and below should not get reduced. Any file that is tagged with {{non-free reduce}} will normally be reduced within 24 hours (then you have 7 days to view the reduction and revert if the reduction is corrupted. Some editors will load up an image and add that template, and let the bot do the reduce for them. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

file:Thomas Newton Allen.jpg

I noticed the file Thomas Newton Allen.jpg was set to be reduced as non-free image. This was originally copyrighted in 1909, so is public domain based on that date. I changed the file to public domain. I had trouble with the uploader when I contributed the file, and settled for fair-use until I could figure out how to make it show as public domain. Then I forgot about it. Can this be put onto Commons? I appreciate any help.Jacqke (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jacqke: No problem. I've tagged it for now. I should have time this week end to move it Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I appreciate it!Jacqke (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2017_July_29#File:TNA_Heavyweight_Championship.jpeg

@BU Rob13 and Stefan2: I know you guys have good views on non-free media. I would appreciate an independent view on the title page, if you feel you can add to the discussion. I don't mind which way the consensus goes, so long as we can get one. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:14, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Some pages show the error Lua error in mw.wikibase.entity.lua at line 34: The entity data must be a table obtained via mw.wikibase.getEntityObject. This problem happens on pages with a Lua module that uses Wikidata. The developers are working on fixing the problem. You can fix a page by opening it for editing and then saving without changing anything. [44]
• Wikidata and German Wikipedia could not be edited for an hour on 28 July. You can read why and how we could avoid it in the future in the incident report.

Changes later this week

• Some wikis already have the larger and brighter OOjs UI edit page buttons. All remaining wikis except Commons will have these from 1 August. [45]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 August. It will be on all wikis from 3 August (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 August at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The default font in the edit window will soon change for some users. Instead of using the browser default it will be monospace. Users can change this in their preferences. This should only change this for some users on Macs and iOS devices. [46]

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21:45, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Mark Hanna Watkins c.1930.jpg

You note that the photo used in Mark Hanna Watkins is copyrighted. Please note, however, that I was granted permission to use this photo on the English Wikipedia by the copyright holder, according to an email sent to me on 5th October 2015 by Stephen T. Robinson Senior SCUA Assistant, Special Collections & University Archives, W.E.B. Du Bois Library, University of Massachusetts Amherst, 154 Hicks Way, Amherst, MA 01003-9275, http://scua.library.umass.edu/, who wrote: "We'll be happy to grant permission for use of the photo. We'll waive the fee in this case, but we would like to have you fill out our permissions form so there is an official record of it." I subsequently filled out a form as required, which was returned by the library granting permission. (I can email it to you if you wish.) In view of this, I don't see the need for the photo to be reduced in quality, at least for the English Wikipedia. What do you think? Kanjuzi (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kanjuzi: Lets log it properly - send me just an e-mail note (so I get your e-mail address - don't put it here - spammers...). I will then send you an e-mail from OTRS, then you can reply with a copy of the letter, then the letter is nicely logged on the Foundation's servers. I will then add an OTRS ticket to the page and we won't need to reduce it.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:03, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I sent you an email (I think) but heard nothing back yet (as far as I know). Kanjuzi (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kanjuzi: Now sent, been boating. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:03, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Revolution_Media

I need this page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Media .

Aliyahasan (talk) 07:11, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Our Wikipedia page is deleted .plz Restore https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Media Aliyahasan (talk) 07:13, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

see reply lower down Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

RevolutionMedia is a media Planner Company. Our clients in Bollywood.

I want see on Wikipedia, I need for business or relationship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Media Aliyahasan (talk) 07:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@Aliyahasan: There is never a guarantee in getting an article into Wikipedia. Any article must comply with the polices and be notable. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:36, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Anyhow, I did not delete it. You must talk to the deleting admin. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Kerim Memija

Hello there. Last year I created a wiki-page for a Bosnian national football player named Kerim Memija. The page was deleted and is now protected which means that only admins can create the page. Now despite being a wiki-editor for few years creating and developing many pages, I am not an admin, and that is something that I would really like to become. But till then, could you please open the thread so I can make a page for Memija? Thank you. By the way, if its not to much to ask, could you please respond on my talk page?

replied Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Image tag

Hi, Ronhjones. I just wanted to offer re: File:Ditko-DC-characters.jpg that as the FUR states, "It is sized at the minimum width necessary to make the text caption, an integral part of the image, legible, and to render each of these characters, created by the article subject, with details visually readable." As WP:IMAGERES states, "There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content; images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger." This image — a single half-page panel, or 1/72nd of a 36-page comic book, extant for six years — is at the smallest readable size. Given these facts, I'm wondering if the image-reduce tag is appropriate in this case. Would it be possible for you to reconsider in light of this information and the content guideline? --Tenebrae (talk) 01:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Set to manual reduce - it will let some editor do trials (sometime in future...) to find if any reduction is possible without destroying content. The auto reduce script will not do it now. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. May I add the words "for the reasons given below" after the part about the objection? I'd hate for the objection to appear arbitrary or capricious. Would that be alright? --Tenebrae (talk) 21:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Sounds OK to me Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:25, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. You're a very collegial editor with whom to work. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Since it turns out the boxed text is a template and cannot be altered, I wrote the following directly beneath it: "In consultation with user:Ronhjones, who applied the tag, the original uploader notes that the objection referenced above is for the reason specified in sentence two under 'Low Resolution', below." I hope that's OK. Thank you again. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Looks OK. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of file

Hi, Ron! I have a question about deleting a file... File:Retro Charlotte Hornets logo.png was deleted for being orphaned at the Charlotte Hornets page and violating WP:NFCC#8... is there a tag for speedy deletion of a file that has already been deleted once? Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 15:26, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: Found File:Retro Charlotte Hornets logo.gif as prev. version - set for non free logo (unused). As it was now not set for non-free logo, it becomes a copyright violation - and I deleted it as such. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:57, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

P.S. Sadly, there is no suitable template Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! That would explain why I couldn't find one! Appreciate the help! Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 22:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2017-32

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now see which Wikipedia language versions are read in a specific country. This tool is called Wikipedia Views Visualized. [47]
• The Architecture Committee is now the Wikimedia Technical Committee. You can read the charter. [48]

Problems

• You can get an email when a page on your watchlist was edited. You can choose not to get emails for minor edits. There is a bug that means that you then don't get an email when someone does a normal edit after a minor edit. The developers are working on fixing this. Until it has been fixed you can activate "Email me also for minor edits of pages and files" at the bottom of "User profile" in your preferences if you want to. [49]
• The thanks button sometimes didn't work for mobile users. This was because of a new bug and has now been fixed. [50]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 August. It will be on all wikis from 10 August (calendar).

Future changes

• Editors and readers who still use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP will not be able to use Wikipedia. Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP can't connect securely to the wikis. When we allow them to do so it means that we get less security for everyone else. If you use Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP you can install Firefox 52 ESR instead. Around 0.1% of the traffic to the Wikimedia wikis comes from Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP. [51]
• Links to sections on Wikipedia don't work well in languages that don't use the Latin script. The URL in the address bar in your browser shows Latin characters like .D0.A1.D1.81.D1.8B.D0.BB.D0.BA.D0.B8 instead of the section heading in the wiki's language. Links to sections in non-Latin scripts will be in the script of that wiki in the future. This will happen in the next few months. [52][53]
• Wiki pages printed by the web browser "Print" function will have an updated style. This new style will be similar to the when you download a page as PDF. It will be better at showing tables, infoboxes and headings. [54][55]

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21:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Crime families

Thanks for protecting the articles. Additional ones that have been vandalized are St. Louis crime family, Patriarca crime family, and Philadelphia crime family. Sundayclose (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@Sundayclose:  Done Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)