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Tunisian Peugeots

Hi - you make some good points about STAFIM and STIA, and it is quite difficult to get accurate information about what these companies were doing prior to 2000 (I can't read Arabic, but my French is passable). As far as I can make out, both of these companies were partly state owned by the Tunisian government and both companies seem to have changed their field of operations over time. STAFIM seems most strongly associated with Peugeot, and STIA with Citroen (producing the 2CV for some time from 1972) and commercial vehicles. There is then the added complication that Peugeot and Citroen became PSA in 1976 so there are links in every direction. I suspect that a lot of manufacturing joint enterprises were linked to government aid and were quickly closed down when the brown envelopes stopped. I visited Sousse in Tunisia in 2005 and was told by local guides that the ubiquitous beige 504 pickups were locally made to avoid import tariffs, but that the actual amount of local input was minimal. That would seem to be within the capability of STAFIM as an importer with dealerships at the time, and makes sense as the national partner for Peugeot in Tunisia, but some would also argue in return that this isn't manufacturing as most people would understand it (the current Peugeot/STAFIM/Dongfeng project clearly has nothing to do with the 504 and is more substantial). I will continue to look for a reference to completion of imported 504's in Tunisia by either STIA or STAFIM, and depending upon the content of that reference, I'll amend the article, perhaps with something extra to state "finishing" rather than full manufacture. Wikiwayman (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, indeed I was wrong, as such an entreprise has existed resp. still exists. But STAFIM always acted as dealer, never as a manufacturer. In the German STIA article (rewritten by me from scratch) you will find an evidence for 204 and 304 production (even without understanding a single word, look for 204, follow the ref, look there for "peugeot", but not the numbers). 504 production? Probable, but the evidence is still missing. --Roxedl (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Found a reference! STIA intended to make 4000 Peugeot 504 trucks in 1984 in a new production facility (previous year figures could have been 404s or 504s, but only Peugeot made camionettes (pick-ups) at the time). Page 60 of https://www.bct.gov.tn/bct/siteprod/documents/RA_fr_1983.pdf - but too exhausted from the search to update the article today.... Wikiwayman (talk) 16:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Thx, already done. --Roxedl (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Antonia Bolingbroke-Kent

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