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Administrators' newsletter – September 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020).
Administrator changes
Ajpolino • LuK3
Jackmcbarn
Ad Orientem • Harej • Lid • Lomn • Mentoz86 • Oliver Pereira • XJaM
There'sNoTime → TheresNoTime
Guideline and policy news
- A request for comment found consensus that incubation as an alternative to deletion should generally only be recommended when draftification is appropriate, namely
1) if the result of a deletion discussion is to draftify; or 2) if the article is newly created
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- A request for comment found consensus that incubation as an alternative to deletion should generally only be recommended when draftification is appropriate, namely
Technical news
- The filter log now provides links to view diffs of deleted revisions (phab:T261630).
Arbitration
- The 2020 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place from September 27th to October 7th.
- Following a request for comment, sitting Committee members may not serve on either the Ombuds Commission or the WMF Case Review Committee. The Arbitration Committee passed a motion implementing those results into their procedures.
Miscellaneous
- The Universal Code of Conduct draft is open for community review and comment until October 6th, 2020.
- Office actions may now be appealed to the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee.
DYK nomination of New York State Agricultural Society
Hello! Your submission of New York State Agricultural Society at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:03, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please remember to add the source in the first paragraph under Activities. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:00, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, you did! Thanks! Yoninah (talk) 01:00, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
- You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page. [1]
Problems
- There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late. [2]
- Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now. [3]
Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).- Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in
[[Child]]renis linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis. [4]
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [5]
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16:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Edward G. Faile
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Edward G. Faile you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. 
This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eddie891 -- Eddie891 (talk) 23:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I have a question.
Related to : [[6]]
Hi. I have a question.
I received a warning for asking too much sockpuppets investigation.
I apologize for that. So I tried not to request an investigation as much as possible.
I don't enjoy attacking others. Even if he's avoiding the block, I'll stay still if he doesn't harm others.
However, users who are too obvious to be sockpuppets continue to interfere with the discussion.
Other users suspect him as sockpuppets too.[[7]]
If he is sockpuppets, he is mocking the Wikipedia system too easily.
But I am not entitled to request an investigation. What should I do?Bablos939 (talk) 23:35, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Boilingorangejuice
Why make this change?
Please don't ping me if you reply. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Barnstar for you!
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Your GA nomination of Edward G. Faile
The article Edward G. Faile you nominated as a good article has passed 
; see Talk:Edward G. Faile for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eddie891 -- Eddie891 (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
New user recreated page
Hi, hope you are doing great! A new user Wolferstanarms recreated Joe-Warren Plant, previously created by a sock Evacuatezoe. They appears editing in the same area. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:35, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- TheBirdsShedTears, Thanks, I've taken care of it. If you find more of these, please just open an SPI case to speed up processing. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:54, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- OK thanks. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the laugh!
Hi! I don't think we've met, but something you posted on the SPI page cracked me up, so I thought I'd drop by to say "Thanks!"
find somebody with more experience to
transfer blame tohelp you out
I've done sysadmin work most of my 40+ year career, and have had that exact thought more times than I can count. After I read it, my wife asked, "What *are* you laughing at?"
Take care! — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 20:18, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Because of the problems with the MediaWiki version two weeks ago last week's updates are also late. [8][9][10]
Changes later this week
- Live previews didn't show the templates used in the preview if you just edited a section. This has now been fixed. You can also test CSS and JavaScript pages even if you have the live preview enabled. Previously this didn't work well. [11][12]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 October. It will be on all wikis from 15 October (calendar).
Future changes
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15:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Issues with persistent Euro2024
Hi RoySmith, Would you mind jumping in with this? I've reported a disruptive editor who is removing the reports. Quite persistently. If he's going to disrupt the noticeboards then it's harder to report. --Paul ❬talk❭ 13:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Paul Carpenter, Looks like Amanda got there first. Already blocked. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, (and thank you AmandaNP). I'm not too sure what the appropriate next step is when someone starts subverting the reporting process? Also his report of me is still on AIV, I'm guessing I should just leave that. --Paul ❬talk❭ 13:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Paul Carpenter, I don't have experience with the processes at AIV so I'm not going to remove it, but I'm sure the admins who work there will notice that Euro2024 was vandal blocked and do the right thing. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul Carpenter: AIV automatically deals with itself. What I was able to easily determine fast through the contribs was there was excessive blanking at many articles which flagged it for me as VOA. AIV was probs your best bet, I just got to it and saw more from elsewhere. I was flagged to it on IRC, but looks like this is excessive crosswiki disruption, see Special:CentralAuth/Euro2024 and their sock Special:CentralAuth/정지숙. Potentially more socks too crosswiki and i'll handle those as they come in. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 13:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks AmandaNP. --Paul ❬talk❭ 13:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
DYK for New York State Agricultural Society
On 16 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article New York State Agricultural Society, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the New York State Agricultural Society annually recognizes farms that have been owned and operated by one family for a hundred years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/New York State Agricultural Society. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, New York State Agricultural Society), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 October. It will be on all wikis from 22 October (calendar).
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [14]
- In the AbuseFilter extension, the
rmspecials()function will be updated soon so that it does not remove the "space" character. Wikis are advised to wrap all the uses ofrmspecials()withrmwhitespace()wherever necessary to keep filters' behavior unchanged. You can use the search function on Special:AbuseFilter to locate its usage. [15] - Some gadgets and user-scripts use the HTML div with the ID
#jump-to-nav. This div will be removed soon. Maintainers should replace these uses with either#siteSubor#mw-content-text. A list of affected scripts is at the top of phab:T265373.
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16:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Bablos939 repeated abuses
Bablos939 keep repeatingly the same style aggressive disrupting editing (removing work of other editors and harrassing other editors).
He was blocked last time for the same mistake of removing and accusing with aggresive behaviour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bablos939 Vamlos (talk) 16:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vamlos, I am aware of the issue, thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- He is again doing the same thing in 19 October. Instead of bringing the matter to the talk page , he just decides to remove the work of every other editors contributions included.
- [18]
- [19]
- Clearly Bablos939's didn't learn anything from the 1 week block edit for disruption. Vamlos (talk) 15:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- RoySmith can more actions be taken against Bablos939, he clearly hasn't learned anything from it's 1 week block and still continuing bad behaviours.
- For example. He called me a defective user [20] and it was seen and told by Canterbury Tail[21] and so they changed the heading.
- Just recentlyaA sockpuppet investigation on Bablos939 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bablos939
- A clerk concluded "I think there is enough evidence to prove that the two IPs listed are Bablos " ( the two IP were a single edit purpose account to give Bablos939 fake support ). Although no actions were taken because it's been a month ago.
- However he recently again just started accusing other users randomly despite the IP 220.117.225.165 shows being related to Bablos939. This is proven the investigation. Shouldn't Bablos939 be stopped for his wrongdoings and breaking wikipedia rules because I don't understand why he still just randomly accuses another user when the IP numbers have been checked to being related to him (check here) [22] Is he not breaking wikipedia rules for making these same wrong and repeated accusations and blaming on others ? He keeps accusing people of being socks even when evidence is directed towards him. Vamlos (talk) 14:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vamlos, As I said earlier, I am aware of the issue and have been tracking it closely. There's no need to keep providing updates on my talk page. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
October 21: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC
| October 21, 7pm: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC | |
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Hey
Hey, since you did not answer on my talk page and I asked you more than once [23], [24] let me ask you here: are you going to ban me again if I edit article Battle of Paštrik? Or am I allowed to only edit it once per day? Why am I the only one who faces such restriction? Do you ban people immediately when someone from other side of edit-conflict comes screeching to you about me [25], [26] or do you at least make an effort to see what's the issue? Are there any other ad hoc rules that only apply to me I should be aware of? Peervalaa (talk) 14:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Peervalaa, Answered at User talk:Peervalaa. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, you haven't. I asked several specific questions and received no proper answers. Peervalaa (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Peervalaa, I've answered your question to the best of my ability. If you need additional help on how to work collaboratively with your fellow editors, WP:TEAHOUSE might be a good place. If you believe I am not conducting myself properly as an admin, WP:ADMINABUSE offers some guidance. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, like that's going to help. Take care. Peervalaa (talk) 15:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Peervalaa, I've answered your question to the best of my ability. If you need additional help on how to work collaboratively with your fellow editors, WP:TEAHOUSE might be a good place. If you believe I am not conducting myself properly as an admin, WP:ADMINABUSE offers some guidance. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:31, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, you haven't. I asked several specific questions and received no proper answers. Peervalaa (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Revisiting a sock/IP pair
I filed a new case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Djtechno95. You dealt very well with the previous case, which brings me to ask for your attention once again, if you have time. Binksternet (talk) 14:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- Binksternet, Thanks, I'll take a look, but might have to leave it for somebody else to process if I don't have time to get into it. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on October 27 around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [27]
- Last week, links to "diffs" from mobile watchlists and recentchanges were linking to page-revisions instead of diffs. This has now been fixed. [28]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- Since the introduction of the interface administrators user group in 2018, administrators couldn’t view the deleted history of CSS/JS pages. Now they can. [29]
- There was a problem with the Change Tags. The software would apply the "Reverted" tag to any page actions such as page-protection changes if they came directly after a reverted edit. This has now been fixed for new edits. [30]
- The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias in November. Another announcement will be made once the date is finalized. [31]
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17:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Re: Workflow for updating javascript tools on wiki?
Hi!
Regarding your message at wikitech-l, I noticed ru:User:Vlsergey/wef.js seems to be an example of a script being deployed to wiki automatically.
The author uses https://github.com/vlsergey/WE-Framework/blob/master/package.json#L91 to build its wiki version.
Maybe that helps? Helder 18:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Broken template
I think this is broken since you added it and I couldn't figure out how to fix it... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Piotrus, Wow, that's a mess. Thanks for the note. It looks like the badness started way back in 2008 and I just made it worse. I'm not up on the details of how {{Old XfD multi}} is supposed to work, but I'll ask around. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar |
| Hello dear RoySmith ! I wanted to say thank you so much for helping me climb up that steep learning curve !!! Maybe one day I'll see you there when we get to the top !!!! <3 Dbug000 (talk) 09:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC) |
Please block
Hi. Will you please block 114.4.0.0/16 (talk · contribs) since IPs on this range have been persistently harassing and vandalizing pages I edited and my talk pages for months. Not only in enwiki but also across several wikis like idwiki and commonswiki. Its sisters, 120.188.0.0/17 (talk · contribs) and 114.5.0.0/17 (talk · contribs) (also 114.5.0.0/16 (talk · contribs) on ENWIKI) are now globally blocked for this exact reason. Thanks. Flix11 (talk) 04:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
- Flix11, I decline to block such a large range. Perhaps some other admin would be willing. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Log entry made me laugh
This log entry gave me a chuckle. "Icky-pedia" is right given the circumstances.
On a serious note, thank you for the thankless task of keeping Wikipedia clean from dirty socks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Davidwr, What's one "w" between friends? :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 18:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- What is one "w" between freinds? It's either Shakespeare with a German accent or an up-side-down piece of Halloween candy. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – November 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2020).
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Guideline and policy news
- Community sanctions now authorize administrators to place under indefinite semiprotection
any article on a beauty pageant, or biography of a person known as a beauty pageant contestant, which has been edited by a sockpuppet account or logged-out sockpuppet
, to be logged at WP:GS/PAGEANT.
- Community sanctions now authorize administrators to place under indefinite semiprotection
Technical news
- Sysops will once again be able to view the deleted history of JS/CSS pages; this was restricted to interface administrators when that group was introduced.
- Twinkle's block module now includes the ability to note the specific case when applying a discretionary sanctions block and/or template.
- Sysops will be able to use Special:CreateLocalAccount to create a local account for a global user that is prevented from auto-creation locally (such as by a filter or range block). Administrators that are not sure if such a creation is appropriate should contact a checkuser.
Arbitration
- The 2020 Arbitration Committee Elections process has begun. Eligible editors will be able to nominate themselves as candidates from November 8 through November 17. The voting period will run from November 23 through December 6.
- The Anti-harassment RfC has concluded with a summary of the feedback provided.
Miscellaneous
- A reminder that
standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people.
(American Politics 2 Arbitration case).
- A reminder that
The Signpost: 1 November 2020
- News and notes: Ban on IPs on ptwiki, paid editing for Tatarstan, IP masking
- In the media: Murder, politics, religion, health and books
- Book review: Review of Wikipedia @ 20
- Discussion report: Proposal to change board composition, In The News dumps Trump story
- Featured content: The "Green Terror" is neither green nor sufficiently terrifying. Worst Hallowe'en ever.
- Traffic report: Jump back, what's that sound?
- Interview: Joseph Reagle and Jackie Koerner
- News from the WMF: Meet the 2020 Wikimedian of the Year
- Recent research: OpenSym 2020: Deletions and gender, masses vs. elites, edit filters
- In focus: The many (reported) deaths of Wikipedia
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser uses very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It could lead to downgrade attacks. Since October 29, 2020, users who use old TLS versions will not be able to connect to Wikimedia projects. A list of browser recommendations is available. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [32]
- There is a new automatic tracking category available: Pages with non-numeric formatnum arguments. It collects pages which use the
{{formatnum}}parser function with invalid (non-numeric) input, e.g.{{formatnum:TECHNEWS}}. Note that{{formatnum:123,456}}is also invalid input: as described in the documentation, the argument should be unformatted so that it can be reliably and correctly localised. The tracking category will help identify problematic usage and double-formatting. The new tracking category's name can be translated at translatewiki. [33]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 3. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 4. It will be on all wikis from November 5 (calendar).
- Administrators and stewards will be able to use a special page (Special:CreateLocalAccount) to force local account creation for a global account. This is useful when account creation is blocked for that user (by a block or a filter). [34]
- The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias on November 4. This change excludes the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias, plus a few smaller Wikipedias with special circumstances. You can read the help page and the troubleshooting guide for more information. [35]
Future changes
- A discussion has been restarted about using a Unicode minus sign (− U+2212) in the output of
{{formatnum}}when it is given a negative argument. [36] - In the future IP addresses of unregistered users will not be shown for everyone. They will get an alias instead. There will be a new user right or an opt-in function for more vandal fighters to see the IPs of unregistered users. There would be some criteria for who gets the user right or opt-in. There will also be other new tools to help handle vandalism. This is early in the process and the developers are still collecting information from the communities before they suggest solutions.
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16:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
| November 21st, 11am-1pm E.S.T: NYC COVID-19: Environmental Justice in Public Health Edit-A-Thon - ONLINE | |
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 Hello RoySmith!! You are invited to join the Brooklyn based Sure We Can community for our 2nd NYC COVID-19 themed Wikipedia Edit-a-thon / translate-a-thon - ONLINE - this Saturday, Nov 21st, 2020 11am - 1pm. The edit-a-thon is part of Sure We Can's work with NYC Health + Hospitals to stop the spread of Covid-19. We plan to continue to work on translating the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City article into the many languages spoken in New York City; as well as, work on other ideas about how wikipedia could slow the spread of Covid-19. Please join us, we'd love to see you (online).
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Editing my comments
There doesn't seem to be a way to say this without it sounding irritable, but I dislike it when people modify my comments (like this edit). I'd prefer if you just made your own comment. That way, I can choose my own words and templates, and you can choose yours. If I wanted some huge template in the middle of my sentence, I would have used it myself. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
- NinjaRobotPirate, OK. I didn't think it would be controversial, but no problem, I'll revert it. -- RoySmith (talk) 05:27, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Edward G. Faile
On 6 November 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Edward G. Faile, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Edward G. Faile raised prize-winning cattle in what is now The Bronx? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Edward G. Faile. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Edward G. Faile), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Battle of Paštrik article
Hello. Peervalaa is again reverting other editors without getting consensus on the talk page. It would be of help if you took a look at it, whenever time permits. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
- Ktrimi991, Hmmm, thanks for the note. I see three edits in six days. I'm hesitant to call that edit warring. I had asked him to hold to WP:1RR, and he's been (mostly) doing that, so I'm going to hold off for the moment. If things escalate, it might be worth going to WP:DR to get some additional impartial. Fresh eyes can be helpful sometimes. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- It is kind of "slow edit warring". In the past in Balkan topics such behaviour has been responded to with different approaches, maybe based on the level of perceived disruption: have other editors rv till the "edit warrior" comes to understand that rv are not the way to go, block for edit warring, or put a protection on the page. After all, an article is not supposed to be reverted to different opposing versions every few hours or days. That is a strong case of quality disruption. I am not actually interested in the content dispute; I just see the many rv on my watchlist. Maybe a RfC could be a solution; maybe a community decision would be enough to settle the dispute once and forever. In any case, I leave it to the interested editors to decide what path is the best for them to follow. Thank you for your input and response. If you keep an eye on the article just in case things escalate, it will be great. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Peervalaa is following the technical part of 1RR, but they're still edit-warring. They made 1 revert yesterday and one revert today[37]. If an edit has been rejected for five consecutive months, every single day by almost 10 editors, then there is a WP:DROP point after which reverting - even 1RR - becomes disruptive.--Maleschreiber (talk) 14:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- It is kind of "slow edit warring". In the past in Balkan topics such behaviour has been responded to with different approaches, maybe based on the level of perceived disruption: have other editors rv till the "edit warrior" comes to understand that rv are not the way to go, block for edit warring, or put a protection on the page. After all, an article is not supposed to be reverted to different opposing versions every few hours or days. That is a strong case of quality disruption. I am not actually interested in the content dispute; I just see the many rv on my watchlist. Maybe a RfC could be a solution; maybe a community decision would be enough to settle the dispute once and forever. In any case, I leave it to the interested editors to decide what path is the best for them to follow. Thank you for your input and response. If you keep an eye on the article just in case things escalate, it will be great. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Hall monitors are back I see (but they never mention albanian socks who break 3R rule or restoration of unsorced content). And it would have been polite to inform me I am being discussed here. Peervalaa (talk) 12:04, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Help with a sockpuppet
Hello, I noticed you were an admin involved in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bablos939 which is related to the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rajmaan case. There is a new user at Solniun (t c) who is making similar edits in the same vein as Rajmaan (similar focuses on Chinese crimes against minorities, intermarriages, genetics, and sexual crimes, often with cites to Google Books with full quotes). Also, the user shows competence beyond a new editor and apparently waited more than a week before making big edits on the new account. As Rajmaan (t c)'s contribs are hidden and the SPI archives are a proper mess, can you help with looking into the account or advise on how to fill a SPI on them? Thank you. _dk (talk) 19:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Underbar dk, The easiest way (by far) to file an SPI is using the Twinkle ARV tool. If you open the report, I'll take a look (but I can't guarantee I'll have time to dig into it immediately). -- RoySmith (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have opened a SPI Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rajmaan _dk (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
User:Rajmaan does not exist?
Hi Roy. I was looking at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rajmaan/Archive but it seems that Rajmaan (talk · contribs) is not a registered account. Curiously, the page at User talk:Rajmaan *does* exist but it has no contributions link. Do you know what could be going on? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 05:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- EdJohnston, Looks there's been at least three username changes [38], [39]. I found:
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- User:DregerClock
- User:Incrassate
- User:Rajmaan
- User:OChistory
- and then I got tired of digging more. Why do the folks who do renames allow this? -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- This is a complete mess. What happened, to the best of my understanding, is:
- On November 8, 2006, an account named "Milktaco" was created.
- They were renamed to "Dividing" on February 27, 2008.
- Dividing last edited in 2017 and is unrelated to the Rajmaan sockfarm.
- On February 16, 2008, an account named "DregerClock" was created.
- That username was deemed inappropriate since they created the article Dreger clock (see User_talk:OChistory#The_Clock), and they were renamed to "OChistory" on February 28, 2008.
- OChistory last edited in 2011 and unrelated to the Rajmaan sockfarm.
- On 27 September 2012, an account named "Rajmaan" was created.
- They were renamed to "Incrassate" in October 2017. (This doesn't seem to be logged properly for some reason, but it definitely happened).
- They were renamed to "Frowarden" in March 2018. (I can't find this logged in the English Wikipedia, but it is logged on Meta)
- This is the "Rajmaan" who was blocked for sock puppetry on June 8, 2018.
- They were renamed to "Milktaco' on June 14, 2018 (log entry). This rename should clearly not have happened.
- A new "Rajmaan", unrelated to the previous one, was created on October 2017.
- They were renamed to "DregerClock" on June 13, 2018.
- They were blocked as a sock puppet of "Rajmaan" (then actually called "Frowarden") on June 8, 2018.
- A new "Incrassate", unrelated to the previous one, was created on March 24, 2018, and blocked as a sock puppet on June 8, 2018 without ever being renamed.
- What should probably happen is that Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rajmaan is moved to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Milktaco (the current username of the master), and that User:DregerClock and User:Milktaco get tagged as a sockpuppet and a sockpuppeteer respectively instead of redirecting to userpages of uses who used the same username many years ago. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:10, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Pppery, Thanks for the information, but it would be more useful if you posted this to the SPI. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- This is a complete mess. What happened, to the best of my understanding, is:
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Can user:Idontknowhwatimdoing and user:Lactoseintolerantsapiens11 please be blocked ASAP. See both their contribs and their filter logs. CLCStudent (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- CLCStudent, Looks like Materialscientist got there before I did. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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15:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
THREE
You started a cross-namespace redirect WP:THREE to your user essay User:RoySmith/Three best sources.
I too have drafted a bunch of user essays. I haven't tried to move any of them from user space to the wikipedia namespace.
Can I point out some of the ways we treat user essays and wikipedia space essays differently?
- I think there is lower bar for inclusion for user essays. I've participated in WP:MFD for essays in wikipedia namespace. One essay I favoured keeping was deleted, in part, because it was argued other essays made it redundant. I have never seen an MFD for a user essay. I think they would only be deleted if they lapsed from BLP, or some other policy.
- Anyone can edit a wikipedia space essay. If someone wrote an essay, got some positive feedback on it, and moved it to the wikipedia namespace, they could find themselves a witness to seeing it rewritten to say stuff they never agreed with. If they found themselves in the minority position in discussions on the talk page they would have to grit their teeth and bear seeing it changed to say stuff they disagreed with.
- People put more stock in wikipedia space essays.
Are you sure a cross-namespace redirect, from a user essay, to the wikipedia namespace is appropriate?
I suggest that if you want the looser inclusion standards of a userspace essay the redirect is not appropriate.
I suggest that if you are ready for the more stringent inclusion standards of a wikipedia namespace essay you should consider putting it in the wikipedia namespace. Geo Swan (talk) 14:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- I checked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=RoySmith&namespace=2 and WP:LANGCITE's redirection to User:RoySmith/essays/Citing sources in foreign languages triggers the same concern for me. Robots report it has been read just 226 times - I question whether this is sufficient for it to be suggested it bears the implied authority of being in the wikipedia namespace. Geo Swan (talk) 15:26, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Geo Swan, Thank you for your cogent note. I'm in a bit of dilemma here. On the one hand, eliminating the redirect would be impractical at this point; there's over 1000 links to it. On the other hand, I will admit my reason for keeping the essay in userspace is to exert more control over it than I could in project space (and even in userspace, I occasionally get people editing it). I just read over WP:XNR, which mostly talks about mainspace, so no help there. I do note that WP:R#KEEP says not to delete a redirect if "Someone finds them useful", which I think applies here. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your prompt reply.
- I don't think I have a good suggestion as to how to deal with the existing instances.
- I link to my essays with a pipe
[[User:Geo Swan/opinions/When complying with BEFORE is not straighforward|When complying with BEFORE is not straighforward]]. Years ago I got some pushback from contributors who voiced concern that I was implying my user essays were in the wikipedia space. Since then I always state the essay is a user essay. - Going forward, with new essays, you could link to them, in your fora comments, with a pipe.
- Thanks for not interpreting my concern personally!
- Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 15:45, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Geo Swan, I've started a discussion on WP:VPM -- RoySmith (talk) 16:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi. In doing my NPP, I came across User:Sowny, who still had 2 unreviewed articles out. However, they have quite a few other articles which they have created. Should they be CSD'd? Onel5969 TT me 20:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Onel5969, Thanks for the note. BTW, I've been working on a tool to help find these. Looks like there's quite a few. I'll take a closer look. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:01, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- RoySmith, I can take care of it, just wanted to know if I should. Onel5969 TT me 21:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- Onel5969, Absolutely, go for it. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- RoySmith, Sowny's done. I didn't do the redirects, however. Onel5969 TT me 00:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Onel5969, Absolutely, go for it. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
- RoySmith, I can take care of it, just wanted to know if I should. Onel5969 TT me 21:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Request for consideration
RoySmith & Onel5969 That's a shame. If you look at the articles they were productive contributions, including a series of articles on Toronto election results. Easy to delete but hard for other editors to replace. I was originally blocked by Bbb23 (who has since had his CU privileges revoked) over a stupid edit war I got into and block evasion that resulted. If you actually look at my history of edits subsequently you will see I've actually been productive - my crime has been evasion of blocks, not vandalism etc. I was willing to sit out for 6 months or a year and ask then for a fresh start but this response from Bbb23 led me to conclude that would be pointless(scroll to bottom)
Bbb23 is gone so I'll ask again - if I stay off of wikipedia for a period of time and then asked for a fresh start would you support that? I no longer have access to the passwords for Nixon Now, Ffolkways, or Sowny so I would have to start a new account but I am willing to abide by the rules - including using only one account etc.
Cheers Ex-Nixon Now, Ex-Flolkways, ex-Sowny etc.208.98.222.0 (talk) 16:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Henry Oscar Waffle deletion
Hi RoySmith. You recently deleted Henry Oscar Waffle because it fulfiled CSD G5. I posted an objection to the talk page because I had worked on restructuring the article, adding information and checking the sources. I believe this qualifies as a substantial edit by another user (me) and thus not fulfiling the criteria. Can I have more information on why it was deleted? Thanks for your help. Z1720 (talk) 04:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Z1720, My bad, I didn't see your talk-page note. I've undeleted it. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:40, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing this. Let me know if there are any questions or concerns. Z1720 (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Check
Lorant33 and Lorent33 Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations.Dam222 (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Dam222, I don't understand what you're asking. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Ah. One account stopped editing on April 3rd, and the other account was created two days later. My assumption is they lost their password. We prefer that people use Password recovery, but its quite common for people to just create a new account, which is also OK. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:43, 10 November 2020 (UTC)