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Drum_rudiment a "drag" is a three stroke alternating ruff on timpani

Yes, the link is legit. Sorry to disagree, but since when does the nature of a rudiment completely change just because it's being played on a different instrument? If a drag is an alternating 3 stroke ruff when played on timpani, why can't a flamadiddle be a double ratamacue when played on a tenor drum? And how much confusion would that cause? Even if this is a legit thing on timpani, why confuse the 99.9% of visitors to this page with such an oddball exception? Brad Halls (talk) 17:36, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be a real pedagogical resource for drummers, just an informational one. Confusion could easily be sorted out by following up with more research or by taking lessons on the instrument. If the information is true and verifiable by published sources and pertains to the topic, I don’t see why we should exclude it. I don’t know who wrote that original statement but it is true and relevant to drumming and the interpretation of notation. That’s why I reinstated it, because it’s just a fact. Whether or not we like or respect it doesn’t change it’s veracity. Timpani are always the exception. It’s a drum but it’s pitched, it’s percussion but in professional orchestras it’s actually it’s own section, the principle timpanist is not lumped into the rest of the percussion section. Stick technique for timpani is wholly different than snare drum in every regard from rebound to roll execution to strike zone on the head... so why not have differing execution of grace note figures? I see your slippery slope argument but timpani always get a pass. They’re weird but also the oldest percussion instrument in the orchestra and have their own rules. Ryukin (talk) 17:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I think I am seeing some common ground here. After reading this again, I think all Nasatir is saying is, on timpani the drag can be single stroked (alternated), especially at slower tempi, but it still has 2 grace notes (at first I thought he was suggesting adding an additional grace note). So it's written exactly the same, just with different sticking. So how about just saying "on timpani the drag can be single stroked (alternated), especially at slower tempi"? Technically in my book that makes it a "herta", but let's leave that discussion for another day. Brad Halls (talk) 02:02, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

It could be reworded, sure, and yes absolutely Nasatir, Schweizer, and the other source I cited are all saying that the drag retains the same 3 hits as notated. No extra note is added. I think it’s important to note that the double stroke (normal) version on timpani is rare and is the one used at an extremely slow tempo. The single stroke version is standard and used at medium to fast speeds because it has a clearer sound and is actually easier to play with little to no available rebound from the head. On a side note, A herta usually has 4 notes in my experience. Many people say the name is an onomatopoeia with a rolled R. 3 strokes is just “her” the 4th is “ta.” 3 stroke ruff Or single 3 is what I’d call a single stroked drag. Ashworth called it “quick like a drag” which is not a concise or catchy name. Ryukin (talk) 02:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok took another shot. The references might need some cleanup. Brad Halls (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I'll go with that. No complaints.Ryukin (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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I understand your interest in keeping wikipedia neutral, however I feel as though deleting all of my contributions was a but heavy handed. I did include citations for the majority of the new information I added to the Douglas Walter page. I admit I may not have cited a source for every single sentence. I will reinstate my solidly cited information in the mean time, and keep in mind the neutrality of the statements, discarding those which cannot be verified with exactitude. Thanks. User:Ryukin

What you're seeing here is both a strength and a weakness of the rollback tool. Once used the rollback tool will revert a page to the last known version that was not edited by the editor being reverted. Eg: If I an edit followed by 10 edits from another single user, a rollback will revert the article to the version I originally wrote. In many cases this is desirable, since a revert is usually used to counter vandalism (And thus you really don't want to revert just the latest edit).

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