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It's not just my opinion that the list of random trivia in the Influence on popular music and culture section of the northern soul article is miscellaneous; by definition that's exactly what it is. See WP:Trivia. As for the list of 30 songs, it gives undue weight to one person's opinion about what were the most popular songs, and the number is arbitrary. His list actually has hundreds of songs. Why list the top 30 in a Wikipedia article, instead of the top 10 or top 100? Plus, Wikipedia articles shouldn't really turn into collections of lists and charts. They detract from the main content and clutter the page.Spylab (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, it is hardly random trivia - it is relevant and illustrative of the fact that Northern soul music has, despite its underground nature, had a large amount of influence on popular culture. I am happy to re-write the list as two paragraphs of text if you think this accords better with Wiki rules.

As for the Top 30, I disagree but I want to try and reach a consensus. Firstly, the Top 500 is not one person's opinion - the author canvassed the opinion of a number participants on the northern soul scene. It is not the top 500 best records or something like that. It is the top 500 most popular and, as such, is the most relaible published study we are ever likely to have. Secondly, people have commented that for an article about Northern soul, hardly any actual music is named. Adding in a list of the top 20 or 30 most popular records amongst northern soul fans is about the fairest way of correcting it, surely? Can you suggest an alternative because I am determined that we somehow include some or all of this material.--Lebkuchenteile (talk) 16:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

• According to WP:Trivia, the Influence section, is in fact, a list of miscellaneous trivial facts. As the tag says, "Please relocate any relevant information into appropriate sections or articles." Re: the top 30 list, the current version of the article includes plenty of song titles, so any concerns about songs not being named certainly don't apply now. Although the list of allegedly popular songs is based on survey, I doubt that the study met strict academic standards for such things, and therefore is not reliable according to Wikipedia. Also, there is already a link to the full list of 500 songs in the External Links section, so anyone can see it there. Perhaps you can add some more information about the survey, but I don't think re-adding the list of 30 songs is warranted for this Wikipedia article. Spylab (talk) 17:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You say that "According to WP:Trivia, the Influence section, is in fact, a list of miscellaneous trivial facts”. This is merely your personal interpretation of the guidance. I could point you to, “..a selectively populated list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information.” Furthermore, WP:POPCULTURE states that:

“In popular culture" sections should be carefully maintained and contain sourced examples demonstrating a subject's cultural significance. Per Wikipedia's summary style, when sections grow excessively long they can be split into subarticles, but this should be done with caution.” I have added a secondary source which supports the examples.

As for the Top 30, I still disagree – you are underestimating the obscurity of the music and its centrality to the subject. You are ignoring the fact that the source material is the most comprehensive survey available. And you ignore the fact that the link with the Top 500 listed may not always exist. At the very least, the Top 20 or 30 records belong on this page.

Hereis the Top 30, what do others think?

1. Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) - Frank Wilson
2. Out on the Floor - Dobie Gray
3. You Didn't Say a Word - Yvonne Baker
4. The Snake - Al Wilson
5. Long After Tonight is Over - Jimmy Radcliffe
6. Seven Day Lover - James Fountain
7. You Don't Love Me - Epitome of Sound
8. Looking for You - Garnet Mimms
9. If That's What You Wanted - Frankie Beverly & the Butlers
10. Seven Days Too Long - Chuck Wood
11. The Right Track - Billy Butler
12. Stick By Me Baby - Salvadors
13. I Really Love You - Tomangoes
14. Time Will Pass You By - Tobi Legend
15. Landslide - Tony Clarke
16. Too Late - Larry Williams & Johnny "Guitar" Watson
17. You Don't Know Where Your Interest Lies - Dana Valery
18. Walking Up a One Way Street - Willie Tee
19. If You Ever Walk Out of My Life - Dena Barnes
20. There's a Ghost in My House - R. Dean Taylor
21. Here I Go Again - Archie Bell & the Drells
22. Hit and Run - Rose Batiste
23. What - Judy Street
24. Tainted Love - Gloria Jones
25. Girl Across the Street - Moses Smith
26. You're Gonna Love My Baby - Barbara McNair
27. You've Been Away - Rubin
28. She'll Come Running Back - Mel Britt
29. Double Cookin' - Checkerboard Squares
30. It Really Hurts Me Girl - Carstairs

--Lebkuchenteile (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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I agreed with the IP, though they should have given a reason for their deletion. The links I removed seem to exist to promote various clubs or market memorabilia. Since Wikipedia is not here to adevertise for businesses, that makes those links what is called linkspam and thus should be removed. Edward321 (talk) 22:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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