Saga757
November 2015
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Hello, I'm Hammersoft. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Yorkhill Elementary School because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:04, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
"Notable alumi" at Yorkhill Elementary School
editUnless you can provide reliable sources attesting to the notability of people you are trying to add to this article, please do not add them. They've thrice been removed now. Please stop. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Consider this a final warning. If you continue to attempt to force "notable" alumin onto the Yorkhill Elementary School without providing reliable sources attesting to their notability, you may be blocked from further editing. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability. You are in violation of this policy. This ends. Now. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Use the article talk page to discuss
editHi Saga757. Instead of trying to "force" the information into the article, please see Talk:Yorkhill Elementary School#Notable alumni to discuss your reasons why these two people should be added to the article. Please understand that although anyone may edit Wikipedia, there are certain policies and guidelines which all editors are expected to comply with. When there are disagreements over article content, article talk page discussion is needed to establish a consensus among editors. Wikipedia articles are intended to reflect what reliable sources say about a particular topic; They are not intended to include every bit of information about a topic. When an experienced editor, such as Hammersoft, warn you as they did above, they are saying there is something wrong with the edit you're trying to make per relevant policies and guidelines. If you continue to try and add the information even after Hammersoft's warning, then there is a good chance that an administrator will be asked to get involved, which could lead to you being blocked from editing articles for a certain period of time. So, my advice to you is to heed Hammersoft's warning and try and explain your reasons (based upon relevant Wikipedia policy and guidelines) for this edit on the talk page thread I provided above. Thank you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Editing the page
editThey were on there before and I deleted it somehow and then I put there names back, there reliable sources, I even know them personally, Theo more than Matt but I know them personally. I wanted to have fun editing but then I put it back to what is was before. So why you guys saying it ain't reliable. It is reliable because it was there before but I just deleted the section and then remade the section and put there names back there. Just like before, they graduated this year they go to Thornhill Secondary School in Markham,Ontario so thats why when you search them they don't appear because they graduated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saga757 (talk • contribs) 07:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC+9)
- Hi again Saga757. There seems to be some confusion about what is meant by "reliable sources". No one is suggesting that you or your friends are not reliable people or even that the three of you are not alumni of the school. A "reliable sources" for Wikipedia purposes is something such as an established newspaper, magazine, journal, website, etc. which publishes material and has a strong reputation for fact-checking and editorial control. (See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for more details)
- What we may personally know to be true about certain things is considered to be "original research" unless we can cite a reliable source in support. So, if a reliable source such as the Toronto Star, etc. publishes an article about the school and says that your friends are two of its "notable alumni", then we can consider adding that information to the school's article. If the school itself has a "notable alumni" section on its website which lists your friends' names, then we can consider adding that information to the school's article. We need something which verifies that the school itself or a newspaper, magazine, official website, etc. considers your friends to be notable alumni of the school. Without providing such a reliable source for verification purposes, there is no way for anyone other than yourself to know for sure that they are who you say they are, so they are basically treated the same way as any other student who graduated from the school over the years who are not being mentioned as notable alumni. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Also, please understand that just because they were there before does not make them notable. Someone else obviously added them without considering our policies on reliable sources. --Hammersoft (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Yo Hammersoft, didn't YOU put them there???!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saga757 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC+9)
- "Theo Lee" seems to have been first added by an editor named Theolee10 (a coincidence perhaps?) with this edit on June 25, 2015. "Matt Lin" was first added by IP editor 14.220.223.40 (who might be Matt Lin based upon this) with this edit on July 4, 2015. The information was removed for the first time that very same day by Melcous for the reasons given above. The section was then re-added by OntarioBball and then you added the mentions of "Eric Ackerman" (yourself I think based upon the way you signed this post) and "Joseph Lahmany" (perhaps another one of your friends) which were removed by Hammersoft. I removed the section entirely on November 10 for the same reasons mentioned given by Melcous. You then re-added the information, and only then did Hammersoft remove the entire section.
- Wikipedia is not Facebook. If you want to give your friends shout outs, then please do that on your own personal website or social media accounts. As stated above, only alumni which are truly notable (i.e., mentioned in reliable sources or which have their own Wikipedia articles) should be mentioned in the article. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be the case at all for Theo, Matt, Eric and Dave.
- FWIW, Melcous and Hammersoft are quite experienced editors: Melcous has close to 10,000 Wikipedia edits and Hammersoft has close to 50,000 Wikipedia edits; You, Theo10, OntarioBball, and 14.220.223.40, on the other hand, have a combined edit total of less than 30 and all of them seem to be trying to add your names to various Wikipedia articles. You did make a good edit here when you corrected the names of the school officials in the infobox, so things will be fine if you stick to making such improvements. Wikipedia needs editors who are here to help build the encyclopedia, but it has problems with those who are here for other reasons. Experienced editors are quite happy to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith, but they will fix or undo any edits you make which are contrary to established Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The same thing would happen to me, Hammersoft or any other editor who makes such edits. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I understand that my sources have to be reliable. Saga757
- That is good to hear! Also, could you please sign your comments on talk pages (like this one)? You can do so by adding "~~~~" (minus the quotes) to the end of your comments. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
