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Hello, Santa27! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images • create your first article Intuitive guide to Wikipedia • Article Creation Wizard Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons List of policies • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism • List of guidelines Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General • Spam • Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

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Bill Dwyre a couple of months ago i created this page. it was difficult. now i want to upload a jpeg image of the subject. read pages of instructions, can't figure it out. can anyone supply simple instructions for a non-user/non-geek like me? sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but i can't figure out the "user page" either.Santa27 (talk) 00:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

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Bill Dwyre hello there ...i will clean up the article a bit for you if you like??Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Hello ther you can talk to me by clicking here talk....ok i am not sure they will just let me delete it now..wast wrong with it not original source but info is correct no??...Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC) <--all people can be reached by the (talk)

hey, i think i just cleaned up the mistake. that was easier than figuring out how you all speak to each other! now i have to insert a photo into Bill Dwyre. pray for me.Santa27 (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

ok yes it is best if you do it..you know what should be done...need help let me know!!...Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Beginners

Hi, dunno if this works because despite your very kind and complete instruction about how to upload an image (I think I understand that, now), I don't really understand this whole talk-message thing. I hope this goes to a page only you see and that you understand that the conversation started on another more public place. New users questions, or something likr that. Frankly, I find the whole message situation impossibly obfuscatory. I wrote an entry once. Now I want to supply a photo of the subject. That's all I plan to do because Wiki makes me cry. I don't want to program a user talk page because I don't understand what it's asking. But just in case I DID put this in the right place, I will try to "un-red" that link right now in the hope you reply, and that's where I see it. Sheesh. I love Wikipedia. I hate contributing/editing on it :-). Thanks. Santa27 (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello Santa! I got your message. You asked if user talk pages are private. The answer is no, anyone can look at anyone else's pages. But your user talk page is not as likely to be seen by others, as a page like Wikipedia:New contributors' help page would be. Someone who wants to post a message on your talk page, might choose to look at your old correspondances out of curiosity, or to see what kind of person you are (easy to get along with? troublemaker?). If there is anything on your talk page that embarrasses you, you can remove it. But technically, removed posts are also viewable, because every page on Wikipedia has a "history" tab at the top, where you can go back and view every previous version of the page that ever existed! But if there is something really bad on an old page, like slander, or someone posting personal details about you ("outing" your real identity), there is a way to request it be permenantly removed.

I see you created a user page, so your user name is no longer a red link. That's good, because it makes you look like less of a beginner.

Don't be worried about learning the ropes and being frustrated with Wikipedia's coding. Everybody on here was a beginner once, and everyone has the same frustrations at first. It becomes very easy after a while, and you're doing very well. I still have to look up "how to do it" pages frequently, but I have a good understanding now of how to find them. Uploading pictures is one of the hardest things to do, and of course it's also one of the things that beginners want to do. So you wind up hitting the hard stuff early on.

Another hard thing to do, which beginners all want to do and rarely succeed at first try, is create a new article that doesn't get deleted immediately, or have a lot of "tags" added to it saying it's formatted wrong, doesn't establish notability, etc. Congratulations on creating a Wikipedia-worthy article on your first try! It's obvious you looked around at Wikipedia, and learned how articles are done, before you contributed. That's the way to do it, and it's the solution which seems to escape many new users.

When you get that picture loaded, let me know, and I'll help you get it into the article. You'll probably want to put it in an infobox, which is lots of fun to code (not!) (okay, it's not so horrible, you just find an article about a similar person, copy it to your article, and change the details).

I just noticed you have the "short" version of the welcome message at the top of this page. I'm going to put the "long" version on. It has a lot of links, and a lot of reading. You should't try to read it all, but it makes a handy index.

Talk to you later. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 12:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

hi, dunno if i clicked the right link to answer your very kind response to my user talk page confusion. frankly, there are too many ways people on wikipedia communicate. at least 3 that i can tell, and that's 2 too many. (see: "twitter, facebook, linkedin, texting, etc."). so, in response to your comment about what kind of person a user is, classify me as "troublemaker."

thanks for the compliment on my entry. but, really, that was dead easy--i'm a professional writer. it would be like you writing a song. the hard part for me is the posting. the technology interferes with the communication. (see: "troublemaker.")

after the person who owns the photo i want to embed in the story i wrote files the paperwork and sends it to wikipedia, i will attempt to take it from commons, i assume, and put it in. if i have problems or questions, do i message "user talk: a knight who says ni"?

thanks Santa27 (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you can ask for help on my page. I'm getting all your responses. As for 3 ways to communicate, Wikipedia has nothing to do with Facebook, Twitter, and texting. It is possible to send an email through WP, but please don't, because I never open my email. There are many places here for communication, but they are all talk pages which work the same way (except for a few that have additional special rules), so you just need to choose the one that will be seen by the person(s) you want to reach. You're doing fine. As for "troublemakers" (which I said jokingly), stick around here a while, and you'll see some of it, but that's life on the internet. As for saying "it would be like you writing a song", I do that too (see top of my user page), so I guess the response is we can all learn to do many things, and again, you're doing much better than most. As for the technology interfering with communication, well, when you get to learn all the neat things Wiki code can do, you may find it very facilitating. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 19:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I reread your message to me, and see that you probably did realize I've written songs when you said "it would be like you writing a song". But as for you finding it easy to write a Wikipedia article because you're a professional writer, I have to say that professional writers give us the most trouble, because they are often trying to write articles in the same format and criteria for writing blogs or web pages, and those rules don't work for us. It's hard to tell them they're doing it wrong when they say, "don't tell me I'm doing it wrong, I'm a professional!" --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 19:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you re-read my message. It's filled with sarcasm (see: "Troublemaker) and, yes, my allusion to songwriting was because I read your profile. I'm a writer. You're a musician. Wikipedia entries are easy for me (well. the only one i've done was easy) because I read the editing rules, and as a journalist I understand objectivity and the need for solid research. So that's what I rendered. As you would a tune.

Shortly after I posted the entry, however, someone edited it, and made it inaccurate. I had to go back and un-do it. But I didn't really get that you're supposed to explain what you did and why in a certain place, so I explained on the only page I was familiar with. I don't even remember what that was. Anyway, the entry remains accurate, so it's all good.

My allusion to social media was an attempt to relate the unwholesome need by many people to never shut up and for to the myriad ways to indulge that compulsion to Wikipedia's seemingly endless ways of messaging. That's just me. I don't need to know every time someone burps, nor do I care to impart such information. And I like simplicity. The world ain't simple. Nor is contributing to Wikipedia. Hey, at least I know how to talk to you. Sorta.Santa27 (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

You said you don't remember what page you posted on before. Here's a couple of tips about that. You can see every edit you've ever made by looking at your contributions. In the box called "toolbox" on the left side of your screen, you will see a link called "User contributions". You can get to that from any page which belongs to you. If you go to pages which belong to someone else, and click the same link, you can see their contributions.

An even better way to check pages you have edited, is to look at "my watchlist" (which is your watchlist), a tab at the top of the screen. It shows recent edits to pages (edited by anyone) which you are watching. You will find some pages already on your watchlist, even though you didn't ask for them, because when you edit a page, it gets put on your watchlist by default. When editing, there is a tick-box below the edit box which you can un-tick to not watch it (or stop watching if you are already watching it). Also, on every page, there is a tab at the top which you can click to watch or unwatch that page. If you click to watch, the tab name changes to "unwatch", so confusingly, the tab always says the opposite of whether or not you're watching the page! By the way, watchlists are one of the few things around here that are really private. Nobody else can see what pages you're watching.

You may have noticed I changed my talk page to combine all posts from you in one section, like I'm doing here. I am indenting by using colons at the start of a line. Multiplle colons mean multiple indents. So if you are on an article talk page where many people are replying to each other, each post is supposed to indent one more than the message it's replying to, which may not be the one immediately above it. This allows conversations to have "branches", but it's all controlled manually, and we don't always indent the right amount. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 12:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

thanks for the recent message. i know you're trying to help, but this just gets increasingly complicated. to me, this is the least intuitive process ever, and let's not forget i'm a Word user...:-)

i don't understand why there isn't just a way to click "reply here" if i want to respond to you in the same manner/place/page/topic of your message.

but that's just me. i don't plan on posting additional wikipedia entries, or at least not soon or without a compelling reason, so i can't really take the time to become an expert messager/editor. but i will post that photo when it's available and probably will come crawling on my digital knees for help at that time. thanks.Santa27 (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it makes more sense to have both sides of a conversation all on one page, and in the past I made a practice of copying or moving messages from one page to another to keep it all in one place, but I seem to be alone in that practice, and doing it confused other people. I've done it now, so the whole thread is here, and you can reply on this page by clicking on "edit" on the right side, at the top of the section to edit. This page is on my watchlist, so when post here I will see it. If a long time goes by and then you want to reach me again, you should post a note on my page at that time. Do let me know when the picture is uploaded or inserted. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 21:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)