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Acid3 Performance criterion

If there is no independent and reliable source (other than somebody testing him/herself and making some claim which can be true or not), why lets not skip the Performance criterion from this section?

I believe that saying "This overview does not take the Performance criterion into account because of the lack of reliable and independent sources to verify that a full pass claim is valid." in the introduction is a fair way to deal with this unclear situation (which has been a controversy here ever since the first browser made a full pass claim).

BTW, IMO this section has always been very biased, and most likely people have tried to make "their" browser look better by somehow trying to justify a full pass claim. --DeTru711 (talk) 22:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

There certainly are reliable sources in that section. It's also not biased at all; I have in fact tested the browsers and I can verify the information was true. If you like, we can change all unverified claims to ? and add citation needed tags. I have left the information for which we have unreliable sources. If you think they are unreliable, there is a process for claiming so. This was done with the sources for Chrome and Safari, and they passed. -- Schapel (talk) 22:17, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

If there are reliable (and independent; statements by browser manufacturers themselves are not independent and also not reliable) sources, then please find them and provide the reference in the article. As long as that's not the case, lets please skip the Performance part at all.

My introduction "This overview does not take the Performance criterion into account because of the lack of reliable and independent sources to verify that a full pass claim is valid." makes it very clear that the Performance criterion is still part of a test, but that only this section of the Wikipedia article does not take it into account, due to its controversial nature.

As for Rendering, the test itself is a reliable source (the rendering will be the same for all users with fresh installations of the browsers, while performance results vary across hardware and other factors).--DeTru711 (talk) 22:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

In the review process I mentioned, it was determined that they are reliable sources, so you are quite simply incorrect that they are unreliable. It is also only your opinion that it is controversial -- you may not add your personal opinions to Wikipedia. The rendering itself is not a reliable source, because it must be interpreted; I think Firefox still does not pass the rendering aspect because it displays the favicon incorrectly. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies and the details of the Acid3 test. Thanks. -- Schapel (talk) 22:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

You have won. I am out. I will never make any more contributions or donations to Wikipedia again and you can be proud of this achievements. Good luck on your way further to destroying Wikipedia. I will not stop you anymore. --DeTru711 (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Looks like we still have a case of WP:BITE (@Schapel). DeTru711, disagreements are part of Wikipedia. The test is not a reliable source, in my opinion - so find another.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

No, I will not find another. I will not degrade myself to go looking for blog articles of browser manufacturers that claim "woohooo, we passed the Acid3 test" when the evidence is found right in the test itself.

Schapel shall go ahead and get his religious beliefs into the article. Like all the many times he has done it before when others (previously often about Opera which also has been fully passing for a long time, but never got the full deserved credits; I'm not an Opera user BTW) correctly disagreed and said that this stuff is biased. Schapel won again, congratulations! (and I promise not to revert it again). Make the update, Schapel, you are the hero of the day.--DeTru711 (talk) 06:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

No one but you is saying anything about bias or controversy. There are people who think browsers pass Acid3 when it gets a score of 100%. They simply "jump the gun" and don't check their facts. I checked Opera, Firefox, and IE, and they quite simply don't pass the performance aspect of the test. Opera and Firefox are close, but IE is far from passing. By the way, I use Firefox and think Chrome is still too buggy to use; but it does pass Acid3 fully. -- Schapel (talk) 11:02, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes big hero, you have won and this is my last comment that I will ever make on Wikipedia before I leave for good. It is assholes like you who are destroying Wikipedia. Sources count more than facts and if somebody makes up a source to change the facts (like Safari and Google did with their own blog posts), it still counts more than facts. That's how you and many other editors think and that's making me sick.

So long, big hero. I hope you are really proud of yourself for your big achievement and I hope you feel like a real winner. In the future you'll have to win against others because there will not be any contributions from me anymore which you can revert. --DeTru711 (talk) 13:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I was trying to add the facts, but you removed them. The Safari and Google blogs you mention have been deemed reliable sources, and there is agreement that they are not self-published or self-serving. You are welcome to go to the reliable sources noticeboard and discuss the matter further. But if you're not willing to work within the system, I think not contributing is your best option. -- Schapel (talk) 13:57, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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Acid3

Sir I was working on the Acid3 page can I edit the page without being disordered?

And Chrome must be on the page to let see all user that Chrome has fully passed Acid3 test. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remzicavdar (talk • contribs) 12:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Chrome is already on the page, saying it passed. You are adding it to the section on browser that do not pass, so you are saying it doesn't pass. Please don't do that. Thanks! -- Schapel (talk) 12:02, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay I will make a section of passed browsers, so could you leave this job to me?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remzicavdar (talk • contribs) 12:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

There is already a section for browsers that pass. Please don't change it radically. It took long time to reach an agreement about how it should be. Thanks! -- Schapel (talk) 12:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Firefox article needs you!

Your edits have been dearly missed at the Firefox article. Come back! Thanks! ҭᴙᴇᴡӌӌ 00:28, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm far too busy these days to meanfully contribute to such a heavily edited article. I hang out in lightly edited articles, making sure they don't deteriorate. -- Schapel (talk) 18:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

License agreement of Internet Explorer 9

Hello, Schapel

I received your message. Internet Explorer is both MS-EULA and freeware. "MS-EULA" means it is licensed by Microsoft. Freeware means it is can be used free of charge but not changed. In another word, "MS-EULA" is the internal long word for "license". Freeware is the type.

Another user and I had this discussion and in the end decided to use "freeware". See User talk:Codename Lisa § Freeware and MS EULA.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. To address this issue once and for all, I have opened a discussion thread in Talk:Internet Explorer 9 § MS-EULA again. You might like to participate, in case you are still not satisfied. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 16:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Acid3: Back From The Vat

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