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Hello, I'm Shawn in Montreal. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Parker Liautaud because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. You have not addressed the WP:PEA issues in any significant way and the maintenance tag should not have been removed. I have retagged it as a fansite, which is it how it reads. Wording like "unassumingly ordinary boy who attended school and played football, but who also had an extraordinarily deep-rooted concern..." and "Humbled by the magnitude of the challenge and the Arctic's unpredictable nature, Parker resolved to try again" does not reflect the sort of neutral tone we use here. I would suggest you read WP:TONE -- and once again, WP:PEACOCK -- before any further editing. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Willis Resilience Expedition image

Here, you state that "We would like to add back to the article the image that was removed." What is meant by "we"?--Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:49, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what's going on here yet but it strikes me as rather odd that that you've contracted an Intellectual property lawyer, presumably at someone's expense, to upload this logo. That, combined with the overtly promotional tone of Parker Liautaud and the expedition article (despite recent improvements) leaves me with the impression that you may be in WP:COI. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Paid editing and Conflict of Interest

It appears, from the natures of your edits and some of your comments about them, that you are an employee of a marketing or PR firm, or of another firm in a marketing or PR role or are in some similar situation where you are contributing to articles as part of your employment or as part of your association with the subjects.

If this is correct you urgently need to read our conflict of interest guideline and particularly the section on paid editing. Note that this guideline says, in significant part:

"If you have a financial connection to a topic – including, but not limited to, as an employee, owner or other stakeholder – you are advised to refrain from editing articles directly, and to provide full disclosure of the connection. You may use the article talk pages to suggest changes, or the {{request edit}} template to request edits. Requested edits are subject to the same editorial standards as any other, and may not be acted upon.

"The writing of "puff pieces" and advertisements is prohibited. "

Many editors feel strongly about this. If in fact my assumption is correct, you would be well advised to disclose your affiliations on your own user page, or on the talk pages of any articles where you have a conflict of interest, or better yet, both. If my assumption is not correct, then you might want to explain why the general nature and tone of your edits has made my assumptions seem plausible. At least one editor has suggested that your account be blocked as a promotion-only account. I am not going to do that, although another admin could, because it seems to me that you are listening to Wikipedia policies and making some useful edits. But transparency here is vital. Please consider this a serious warning. DES ^(talk) 22:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Response and Thanks: Paid editing and Conflict of Interest

Thanks to both DES and Shawn in Montreal. I take your guidance very seriously and gratefully appreciate your willingness to invest the time to ensure Wikipedia remains a verifiable, trusted source of unbiased information. As you can see from the above entries on this Talk page, it has been a number of years since I have either created or edited a Wikipedia article, so I am more than a little rusty. However, I wish to edit responsibly. I am pleased to disclose anywhere necessary (here on my talk page, as well as those on relevant articles) my affiliation with the lead underwriter of this Expedition.

As you have been reading the two articles I recently contributed, Parker Liautaud and Willis Resilience Expedition, you may by now have gathered that the Expedition is a legitimate scientific, communications and record-attempting endeavor. It is not a for-profit enterprise. However, like Parker's past polar expeditions and other scientific endeavors like them, it is costly and is funded by outside parties, including NGOs, corporations, and the like. Parker is also legitimate, a serious polar explorer who is studying to be a scientist and future Ph.D.

It should be noted that I have no personal connection with Parker Liautaud, so there may not be a COI issue with the article about him. My sole connection with him is through an affiliation with the lead underwriter of his upcoming expedition. I have not met Parker nor have I ever corresponded with him. I do, however, have great respect for him and find his accomplishments greatly impressive, hence the "fan" tone initially put forth in the article. I have since attempted to tone it down but may not have yet fully succeeded.

With that said, I took it upon myself to create the two articles. I was not asked by anyone to do so, and there is no profit involved. I am aware of and agree to the irrevocable licensing of this content. I do not wish to be in WP:COI and will take whatever additional steps are necessary to ensure neutrality and alignment with Wikipedia's purpose over that of any other entity. This includes removal of any inappropriate references or citations, and ensuring that any published graphics are appropriately licensed for free use by the file creator/s, ideally under the Creative Commons License.

I appreciate any further advice you are willing to provide and it is my sincere hope that Wikipedia's admin team does not see fit to block my account due to my lack of recent experience as a Wikipedia editor. With many thanks and kindest regards, Schneile (talk) 16:58, 10 October 2013 (UTC)schneile

• I've changed the maintenance tag from fansite to advert (as content issues still persist) accordingly. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I quite accept that the expedition is a legitimate one. However, creating an article to promote a "worthy" not-for-profit enterprise is still unacceptable, unless the enterprise is Notable and the article must still be written with a neutral, encyclopedic tone.

You say that you have "an affiliation with the lead underwriter of his upcoming expedition." That may well be enough to give you a WP:COI for this project, depending on the nature of the affiliation. If you are an employee of the underwriter/sponsor, that may still count as paid editing, and would surely be a conflict of interest. If expect to make money through your relation with that firm, or are very closely associated with them, that might still be considered a WP:COI. In any case I urge you to clearly declare the nature of your association, or as clearly as you can without revealing personal information that you wish to keep private, on the article talk pages, or on your user page, or better, on both.

No one will block you for being inexperienced. However, editors who appear to edit solely for promotional purposes are often blocked on sight. Adjusting the nature of your editing, and disclosing any affiliations, after being informed of Wikipedia policies and guidelines is the best way to demonstrate good faith and a desire to constructively contribute here. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. I hope this is helpful. DES ^(talk) 17:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Dear DES: I continue to appreciate your guidance. To your question of whether the Willis Resilience Expedition is Notable, based on the general guideline (I'm pasting here for my own reference, as you of course are familiar) of If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list, I believe it qualifies, given recent unbiased press coverage by the following media outlets, all of which I can substantiate. (Please forgive the incorrect coding on the Correne Coetzer story; I just cannot figure out where I went wrong). Does this information help to support my claim? Many thanks.

• "The Protection Of Future Generations". The Huffington Post. 2013-10-04. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "19-year-old Explorer to set World Record on Antarctica Adventure". Frost Magazine. 2013-10-08. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "Willis funds climate change Antarctica expedition". Intelligent Insurer. 2013-10-03. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "Willis Sponsors Antarctic Research to Gauge Climate Change Impact". Insurance Journal. 2013-10-03. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "Willis Leads Antarctic Research to Better Understand Impact of Climate Change". Claims Journal. 2013-10-02. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• Liz Gyekye (2013-10-01). "Amcor provides packs for teen attempting record trek to South Pole". Packaging News. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• Chloё Hamilton (2013-10-01). "-25C on the Thames? Young explorer lives in pop-up South Pole to prepare for trip". The Independent’’. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• Chloё Hamilton (2013-10-01). "From Tower Bridge to Anarctica: young explorer sets up camp for polar mission". The Independent I’’. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help); Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "Willis to launch Antarctica expedition to study climate change impact". Canadian Underwriter. 2013-10-01. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "Teen targets Pole position in expedition". London Evening Standard’’. 2013-09-30. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• {{cite news|title= South Pole 2013-14: Doug Stoup and Parker Liautaud for Leverett Glacier route |author=Correne Coetzer |url= http://www.explorersweb.com/polar/news.php?url=south-pole-2013-14-doug-stoup-and-parker_138054059/ |publisher= explorersweb.com |date=2013-09-30 |accessdate=2013-10-11}

• "Willis funds record-breaking climate research". Reactions. 2013-09-30. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• Sarah Gibbons (2013-09-30). "Five minutes with...teen polar explorer Parker Liautaud". Travelbite.co.uk. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• "Teen to attempt 400 mile Antarctic challenge". ITV.com. 2013-09-30. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• Jamie Merrill (2013-09-29). "Into the freezer on Scott's trail". The Independent on Sunday. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

• Fran Berkman (2013-09-24). "Teen Attempting Record Trek to South Pole for Climate Change". Mashable. Retrieved 2013-10-11. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Broadcast coverage includes:

• "Live Radio Segment". News Granada Reports , ITV1. 2013-09-30. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• "Live Radio Segment". BBC Radio 5 Live. 2013-09-30. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• "Live Radio Segment". BBC Radio Leicester. 2013-09-30. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• "Live Radio Segment". BBC Radio Scotland. 2013-09-30. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• "The Jon and Anne Show". BBC Radio Newcastle. 2013-09-30. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

Schneile (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)schneile

I am sorry not to have responded sooner. Several of the above sources seem to be press releases or reprinted press releases, specifically the ones from Intelligent Insurer, Insurance Journal, Claims Journal and perhaps others. As such they would be considered primary sources, not independent, and so do not usefully contribute to notability. Such sources should be avoided if the same facts can be found in reliable sources that are Secondary. A few sources seem to be behind paywalls or require registration, I haven't taken time to asses these. The remainder, on a quick look, seem to eb enough to establish notability of both Parker Liautaud. Feel free to go ahead, but I urge you to declare your association with the expedition and with Liautaud, fully and accurately on the talk pages of those articles and on your user page. You could also seek further advice and assistance on our conflict of interest noticeboard. The COI is really a larger issue than the notability is, in this case. DES ^(talk) 16:55, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, DES. Thank you for your reply. I have added what I believe is an appropriate disclosure to both the Parker Liautaud and Willis Resilience Expedition articles, and would like to request your assessment of these to ensure I have followed guidance and disclosed correctly. Another admin, Sulfurboy has already expressed reservations on the Parker article talk page, stating if anything, he feels the COI tag is even more warranted. I find this discouraging as the article was written as a biographical entry with a logical and nonpromotional mention of the subject's latest expedition. As stated in the article, the primary purpose of the expedition is scientific research, with a secondary purpose of setting a world speed record. I could not help but be impressed with this young man's accomplishments, so on my own time, I wrote the article.

Also, many edits have been made to the Willis Resilience Expedition article to remove language that might be considered WP:NOT#SOAPBOX. I would therefore like to request your assessment on this and removal of the tag if you agree guidance has been correctly followed. Thank you, Schneile (talk) 13:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)schneile

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