Sclua
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Coat of arms of Catalonia
editI don't understand your reverting my modifications to the page Coat of arms of Catalonia. I beg you to explain that, because I don't like editing wars. --Jotamar (talk) 16:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Contestaré a tu mensaje en castellano, espero que nadie nos llame la atención.
- Primero de todo, yo no he añadido ninguna bandera de los estados papales, tendrías que explicarme a qué te refieres exactamente.
- El ejemplo que pones de Blas Piñar suena bastante exagerado, la verdad. Y en todo caso me parece que en el bando catalán también debe haber algún Blas Piñar que otro.
- Respecto a la fecha de 1159, seguramente es un error, yo lo que había oído es un sello de Alfonso II de 1167. Este sello que yo sepa es aceptado por todo el mundo, por lo tanto es la primera undisputed evidence, si tienes claro lo que significa undisputed.
- Pero vamos al grano: mis modificaciones que has revertido. Como había comentado en mi modificación lo que a mí me interesa es el "Neutral point of view", y si digo que hay quien duda del sello de Ramon Berenguer IV de 1150 (rey de Aragón de facto, aunque no de iure), eso es objetivamente cierto, y la referencia externa lo prueba. Yo no digo lo que es cierto y lo que no, sólo expongo que hay distintas opiniones, ahí está el NPOV.
- En definitiva, la manera de mejorar la Wikipedia no es borrar lo que no te gusta, por muy seguro que estés de su invalidez. Hay que matizar, poner en contexto, y sobre todo documentar, pero no andar borrando por ahí por las buenas.
Dicho esto, espero que recuperes lo que yo añadí al artículo, añadiendo tus propias matizaciones. Si quieres, pásame el texto que consideres más exacto (y respetando el NPOV) en castellano y yo lo traduciré. Saludos --Jotamar (talk) 21:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- You are very stubborn, Sclua, and you don't seem to have any interest in either consensus or the neutral point of view. If you expect me to just get tired and forget about this whole issue, you can't be more misguided. Just for starters, it's hight time you read this :
I expect you to do something about Coat of arms of Catalonia. For the moment I'm following Wikipedia's guidelines that recommend to be patient with inexperienced users like you. --Jotamar (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Sclua, I made some changes to the article, to let Jotamar re-write his version there without stepping into your version. This should hopefully avoid edit wars, and make a better article --Enric Naval (talk) 02:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
You last two edits to the article, in which your obsessively try to add the phrase "third world" is inappropriate because the term is obsolete and/or irrelevant to section in question. The cold war ended almost 20 years ago, in case you didn't notice, hence, "developing nation/country" come to substitute your out-dated phrase in a more accurate and encyclopedic way. Nonetheless, if your intention is point out that Chile is still not a developed country, I’m pleased to inform you that it has already been noted in the introductory paragraph, which by the way, I strongly suggest you read before making any other changes. Placing irrelevant, already noted or otherwise non-related material is sufficient grounds for swift removal. Repeated offenses will be also promptly reported to an administrator. Likeminas (talk) 18:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Sclua. Following your report on the administrator's noticeboard, I have looked into the behaviour of yourself and Maurice27("MauritiusXXVII"). A few basic rules:
- Stop editing the Chile article to state it is a third world country. You have repeatedly edited the Chile article on a number of occasions to add this term ([1], [2], [3]. You seem to only started doing this since you entered into a dispute with Maurice27, who mentions Chile on his user page. Do not do so again; you will be blocked.
- Stop edit warring on the Coat of arms of Catalonia article. [4]. References seem to confirm that the coat of arms is based on that of the Crown of Aragon, and all editors other than yourself agree, but you keep removing this ([5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. This has been going on for weeks, and will stop right now. Also, do not remove references ([10]) Further edit-warring on the Coat of arms of Catalonia article will also see you blocked.
Please discuss your edits on the talk pages of these articles from now on, to stop further edit-warring taking place. Neıl 龱 09:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Blocked for 24 hours
editSclua, you were asked to stop edit-warring on Coat of arms of Catalonia. You have continued to do so: [11]. I have therefore blocked your account for 24 hours. You were warned. Continuing edit warring following the expiry of this block will see blocks of greeater lengths imposed upon you. If you really dispute the articles content, please discuss it on the talk page, and, failing that, we have other dispute resolution avenues available, such as Third opinion, Requests for Comment, informal mediation or formal mediation. Neıl 龱 08:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- i don't know why my sourced edits are "edit-warring" and the unsourced edits of them have no the same treatment and the same threatens. Your actions keep being clearly biased.--Sclua (talk) 17:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- On the first Neıl's warning he said "References seem to confirm that the coat of arms is based on that of the Crown of Aragon" when actually, there is no reference to confirm this. And then he threaten me to block me if i removed references and he brought this link. Actually, in this link i did not remove the reference but brought it.
- So, the lately block from Neıl 龱was based in two false conclusions, similar to an abuse of authority.--Sclua (talk) 18:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Sclua, Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. But article talk pages are for discussing article content, not for talking about editors. If you think an editor wrote something which is false, it's fine to say that it's false and to provide arguments and sources to prove that it's false. But it's not OK to say that the other editor is lying. If you want to talk about editor behaviour, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, not article talk pages. We can discuss whether a statement is false, but we can't know whether someone is lying because we can't read their mind. Lying means the person knew it was false when they said it. We can't know what the person knew. Please assume good faith. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
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