Seighean

R639 Article

Hi Seighean, I have been attempting to date the former section of N8 road between Mitchelstown and Cahir, the wiki article (and reference #4), which i don't have access to, would infer after 1811, Taylor and Skinners 1778 map shows a "New Road" between Cahir and Mitchelstown, Perhaps the connection between Fermoy and Mitchelstown was the key in the superseding of the Clonmel-Clogheen-Kilworth route. Id be interested in your thoughts

http://www.galteemore.com/images/1778%20Map.jpg

Padraigobrian (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Padraig, very interesting map you have there! It's been a while since I thought in any detail about road history. I am quite sure that T&S's map did not show the current R639 and that the stretch along the Galtees from Cahir to Mitchelstown via Kilbehenny was built at *some* point after 1811, though I haven't for the life of me been able to figure out when. I definitely think that Fermoy to Mitchelstown would have played a role in shifting the route. What would be great is if someone could get their hands on Bianconi's old routes and use these to plot the road network of the time. Troop movements are also an interesting insight.

Here is the text of a newspaper article I wrote in 2009. Unfortunately I never did any further research after this:

On 25 May, 2009, a little bit of transport history will be made when the penultimate section of the M8 motorway opens between Fermoy and Mitchelstown, completing the route through County Cork.

To be sure, motorists travelling between the Republic’s first and second cities cannot fail to have noticed the drastic changes made to the Cork-Dublin road in recent years. Bit by bit, the old single carriageway N8, with its twists and its turns, its endless lorry convoys, bottlenecks and dangers, has been superseded by the new M8.

The upgrade of the N8 to grade-separated dual carriageway standard began slowly at first. The 6.3-km Glanmire Bypass, first called for in the LUTS Report, opened on 3 April 1992 after a construction period of almost seven years. Although elegantly designed and exquisitely landscaped, the bypass of Glanmire is a testament to the disjointed approach taken to all things infrastructural in 1980s Ireland. In contrast to contemporary road schemes, it was built by multiple contractors – to such an extent, in fact, that even its overbridges were constructed by three different companies.

The Watergrasshill Bypass, which opened on 12 September 2003, was the next major improvement made to the N8 route. This scheme, which was built by two construction companies working in partnership, was completed ahead of schedule at a cost of €144 million.

Yet even as the design of the Watergrasshill Bypass was still being tweaked on the engineer’s drawing board, the new National Development Plan (2000-2006) amended the earlier recommendations of the 1998 Road Needs Study and called for the construction of a completely new high quality road link between Cork and Dublin – one of five such ‘interurban’ motorways that would connect the capital to each of the cities. The original completion deadline of 2006 for all of these interurbans (the M1, M6, M7, M8 and M9) was never really achievable; delays in the planning process and erratic funding saw to that. Nevertheless, by late 2006 the Cork-Dublin interurban route had grown by another 24.5km with the opening of the Cashel and Fermoy bypasses.

By December 2007 all remaining sections of the proposed M8 were under construction. Seventy-seven kilometres of the motorway opened last year in two separate instalments between Mitchelstown and Cullahill, County Laois. The opening of the latest section between Fermoy and Mitchelstown, together with the imminent redesignation of the N8 Glanmire and Watergrasshill bypasses as additional M8 sections means that the Cork-Dublin interurban route is just kilometres away from completion. The final stretch of the motorway, from Cullahill to Portlaoise, is expected to open in late 2010.

But let us turn our thoughts, for a moment, back to the old N8; for it too has a history. The present route number dates from 1974, when the then Minister for Local Government, Kevin Boland, introduced a new national road numbering scheme that radiated in an anti-clockwise direction from north of Dublin. Before this time, the N8 did not exist as a single, national route. In fact, travellers from Cork to Dublin took a very different road in the first half of the twentieth century. One set out from St Patrick Street, proceeded down the Lower Glanmire Road, and travelled through Glanmire, Watergrasshill, Rathcormac, Fermoy and Mitchelstown before travelling northeast to Cahir. So far, so familiar.

But when one reached Cahir the next port of call was Clonmel; and from Clonmel one went onwards to Dublin via Kilkenny, Carlow, Kilcullen and Naas.

Further back, in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, much of the present N8 had not even been built. The old N8 between Cashel, Littleton and Urlingford, for instance, all of which were bypassed by the M8 last December, was built in 1739 as a turnpike (i.e. a tolled) road. The sections between Fermoy and Cahir through Mitchelstown were only built after 1811, bypassing Kilworth and Ballyporeen in the process.

Herman Moll’s “New Map of Ireland”, which was published in 1714, shows that in that year people wishing to journey by packhorse from Cork to Dublin travelled the well worn path between Cork and Fermoy via Glanmire and Rathcormac, much as one did until the 1990s. But upon reaching Fermoy, the journeyer would have turned right at the present-day site of Charlie Brown’s pub and proceeded to Kilworth via the intriguingly numbered ‘R666’ regional road. From Kilworth village the traveller would have traversed the Kilworth Mountains along a narrow lane (which is still trafficked today) until he reached a crossroads, where he would have turned right for Ballyporeen, Clogheen, Ardfinnan and Clonmel, before taking the Kilkenny road and travelling onwards to Dublin. This was the very route taken by Captain John Stevens, a soldier loyal to James II and a veteran of the Battle of the Boyne, in autumn 1689. Stevens left Cork for Dublin on 9 September that year, and stopped off in Rathcormac at the end of his first day’s march to spend the night. The captain made for Kilworth the next day, passing through the small market town and numerous others until he and his entourage finally arrived in Dublin eight days later.*

It will surely come as no surprise to readers that Stevens and others had very little positive to say about Ireland’s road network in their own day. After 1691 the country’s new administrators initiated a massive and prolonged programme of road construction and improvement. Critics of the M8 Fermoy Bypass toll plaza would do well to take note here: By 1783, the 158-mile route from Cork to Dublin had on it no fewer than nineteen turnpike gates – on average, one for every 8.32 miles!*

All in all, there is much to be learned by studying the history of a nation’s roads. Roads are, after all, one of mankind’s most ancient, functional and enduring types of building – not in the conventional sense of the word perhaps, but in every way that truly matters. Many, such as the old N8 between Cahir and Cashel in County Tipperary or the older route between Fermoy and Kilworth, are as old as the settlements themselves, if not older, having developed organically and haphazardly over centuries. Their winding paths and the ruined tower houses and castles that stand forlornly along their lengths reveal much about the historical geography of the areas through which they run. Other roads were constructed for specific, yet oft-forgotten purposes. Some, for example much of the Cork to Killarney road, were built to transport butter. Still more were constructed to put starving and impoverished men to work. Military and mail roads were commissioned to extend the reach and burgeoning power of the state.

But all roads connected and bound communities, both economically and socially, and facilitated the dissemination of news, songs and stories across the country. For this reason they were, are and always will be an integral part of our heritage, whether by-road or motorway.

Safe journey.

*Source: David Broderick, The First Toll Roads: Ireland’s Turnpike Roads, 1729-1858 (Cork, 2002).

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Motorways in Ireland Page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Motorways_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Tidy_Up

I'm thinking it needs a bit of a tidy-up...

Trans5999 (talk) 10:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Photo needed

Seighean, I've had a request from another editor to help with the Tubrid article. It could do with a few photos and as it's in your neck of the woods maybe you can help? Regards Sarah777 (talk) 11:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Master Juba

There's still a lot of rascist remarks, but I don't know if some are actually supposed to be there, or not. Good luck, and I hope I can help,

Buggie111 (talk) 12:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I just went to read the featured article and noticed that someone had changed 'black' and 'African American' to 'nigger' and 'niggerface', so I speedily reverted the offensive edits. I haven't read through the rest of the article properly, but it seems that it has been targeted because it's today's Feature. If the attacks continue, maybe wiki should lock the article for a while? Seighean (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

One request to lock was declined. Do you know if "blakcface" should be there, either? Buggie111 (talk) 13:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes 'blackface' is okay, as it refers to a make-up style worn by white performers at the end of the 19th century and the early twentieth century and was a well-known phenomenon. Seighean (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

M8 motorway

I notice that back in January 2009 with this edit you assessed M8 motorway (Ireland) as a Good article on behalf of the Ireland Wikiproject assessment team but there is no evidence that the article was ever nominated for good article review nor was one ever done, so rating it as such is improper. I will rerate the article at it highest rating for an unnominated article, i.e., B-class. You are of course welcome to nominate it at WP:GAN, in which case I wish you the best of luck. If you have any information that it was in fact nominated and reviewed please let me know though details of this are placed on the talk page and I don't see it. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Lusk services

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Dunkettle interchange

I'm after starting a new article for the Dunkettle interchange. Just wondering if you have any photos in stock to add to the article. Ditto on the Kinsale road roundabout article which is lacking a good photo. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 13:48, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello again!

I note that your tendency to replace all other photos with your own has not diminished with time. Thus, I repeat the general principle; unless your pic is manifestly better than the one you replace then ....don't. On the M8 article you have a series of very good pics. They are however (i) excessive in number and (ii) very similar. I have restored a different perspective of mine of the cutting on the Fermoy bypass and I don't expect to see you removing it again - without some discussion and agreement. Fond regards, Sarah777 (talk) 00:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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