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Administrators' newsletter – December 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2022).

Administrator changes

• Eddie891
• Euryalus
• TheresNoTime

• Alex.muller
• Excirial
• RedWordSmith
• Ron Ritzman
• TheresNoTime
• Stephen

Interface administrator changes

TheresNoTime

TheresNoTime

CheckUser changes

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Oversight changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Consensus has been found in an RfC to automatically place RfAs on hold after one week.
• The article creation at scale RfC has been closed.
• An RfC on the banners for the December 2022 fundraising campaign has been closed.

Technical news

• A new preference named "Enable limited width mode" has been added to the Vector 2022 skin. The preference is also shown as a toggle on every page if your monitor is 1600 pixels or wider. When disabled it removes the whitespace added by Vector 2022 on the left and right of the page content. Disabling this preference has the same effect as enabling the wide-vector-2022 gadget. (T319449)

Arbitration

• Eligible users are invited to vote on candidates for the Arbitration Committee until 23:59 December 12, 2022 (UTC). Candidate statements can be seen here.
• The proposed decision for the 2021-22 review of the discretionary sanctions system is open.
• The arbitration case Reversal and reinstatement of Athaenara's block has been closed.
• The arbitration case Stephen has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 1 December 2022.
• A motion has modified the procedures for contacting an admin facing Level 2 desysop.

Miscellaneous

• Tech tip: A single IPv6 connection usually has access to a "subnet" of 18 quintillion IPs. Add /64 to the end of an IP in Special:Contributions to see all of a subnet's edits, and consider blocking the whole subnet rather than an IP that may change within a minute.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:44, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

AIV Backlog

Hey can you help with the AIV backlog please. Thanks! Best, Zeke (talk) 03:53, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

PHShangai

Hi. You previously warned User:PHShanghai to not cross paths with me (here), but they did just exactly that, and they have been reverting and making drastic changes to Taylor Swift and Midnights articles eventhough I restored to the articles to their last stable versions which had editorial consensus. You can see the clear bias if you go through their contributions. Please look into this. ℛonherry☘ 17:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

A warning from eight months ago, and now you are WP:FORUMSHOPPING on an admin's page. Please don't hold this grudge any longer

From all my edit reasons to my query on the talk page, I only talked about content. All of your responses so far have been personal, from calling the edit "frivolous" and immediately reverting, to resorting to personal attacks about my editing on the talk page. I haven't, I'm only here to work on the content. You're removing one of Taylor Swift's (properly sourced) major accomplishments from being in her lead, just because I was the one who added it in? Really? PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm still trying to remember the situation, so I don't have anything to weigh in on yet, but its not forumshopping to come back to an Admin who had warned an editor in the past like this. Sergecross73 msg me 17:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Ronherry has told me that I am ruining the page, that I have not discussed with him on the talk page, and if I keep editing, he is going to take me to the Admin's noticeboard.

From my point of view, he has been holding a grudge for eight months now. If he believes that this is worth the attention of the admin's noticeboard, then I am fine with that. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 17:27, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Has it really been so bad? I don't recall hearing from either of you since the final warning I issued you back last March... Sergecross73 msg me 17:36, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I took a bit of an online break in the fall to process some personal life stuff going on. Just been making sporadic edits here and there. Didn't edit much once the 'ber months started. Check my contributions, as Ron wants you to do.

Revisited Taylor Swift's article since I heard about the new album, made a couple edits to the lead, then the situation escalates after Ronherry reverts and I make my points about some of the lead's content on the talk page. His main issue seems to be that I "suddenly popped up on an article and made drastic edits." If he has an issue with WP:BOLD, then that's his issue that he'll bring to ANI and not my issue. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

This stuff looks like simple content disputes. There's no need for either of you to be throwing accusations at each other left and right. Wait for some other editors to chime in to get a consensus. Stay on topic. The next person I see throw an unconstructive accusation towards the other is going to get a short block. The next person who reverts on an article is going to get WP:PBLOCKed from that article. Sergecross73 msg me 18:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Sonic Adventure

Hey Sergecross73, I’m just here to let you know I’m sorry for my behavior. Because whenever users revert my edits, I try so hard not to lose my temper over them. As I explained before, I’m on the autism spectrum and that’s why I was getting upset and annoyed over this edit removed issue. But since you already explain it to me, that’s how Wikipedia works. I was just trying to improve the article a little better by adding those information in the reception, I thought it was ok to include the GameCube, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 reviews too since it was also released on those consoles too. Again, I’m sorry. I just thought was ok to include ALL the reviews of all the systems besides just the Dreamcast. I’m trying my very hardest to accept this Wiki policy rule that you told me. Again, that’s why I’m trying not to lose my temper over it. When the article gets unprotected, I promise not to restore those edits ever again. I’ll just add in a tag to let users know not to include the GameCube, Xbox 360 and PkayStation 3 reviews if that’s ok? Again, I’m really sorry. 2600:1000:B057:2391:807F:EF35:33C9:2DBC (talk) 17:04, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

It happens, I do understand that it does take some time to learn how Wikipedia works, and it can be frustrating at first. What I recommend to all new editors, is that, if you wish to keep editing, is to go find some less popular/low traffic article to practice on while you learn how the website works. That's what I did. I worked on an article for an obscure rock band. And you know what, I made some mistakes. But it wasn't such a big deal or a heated discussion or anything, because they were small issues on an article that not many people saw. And I fixed things up later on too, once I learned more.

So, anyways, one of the most popular Sonic games that has an article that already has achieved the highest quality rating an evaluated article can get on Wikipedia is really not a great place to learn and try things. It'd be better to go tinker with an article like a Super Magnetic Neo or Super Monkey Ball Adventure type article that's not in great shape and doesn't get much traffic, and see if that goes better for you. Just my two cents. Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Hello Sergecross73: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, same to you!! Sergecross73 msg me 23:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

14 years

I was just randomly checking your user page and apparently you made an account exactly 14 years ago today. Congrats! A person born on the day you made your account would be a freshman in high school about now. That's a long time! DecafPotato (talk) 23:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! I always know my "anniversary" is in December, but I hadn't even noticed it was today. It's been a wild ride. I created my account on a whim to keep myself busy during the slow season of my job way back then. Who knew I'd get into it so much... Sergecross73 msg me 23:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm still older. You'll never catch up. -- ferret (talk) 02:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Bahaha I didn't realize. Looks like we both had a very active 2008 didn't we? Sergecross73 msg me 04:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Revdel comments

Hey Sergecross73, what did I miss? Anything good? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 07:28, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Soetermans Two very bizarre, totally unconstructive comments. One was a number of homophobic comments towards us for me helping you out on that talk page (??). The other was directed at me - in response to my comment saying "let me know if you need help with explaining or mediating things", he told me something to the capacity of "You couldn't mediate your parents out of getting a divorce" (???). I don't even know where to begin on that one. Not only do I not have divorced parents, but they seemed to be implying that mediating one's parents out of a divorce is seemingly some sort common and easy scenario? Like, professional therapists struggle to keep marriages together, so I don't know where they were going with that. It was a real swing and a miss as far as insults go all around. It was more that it was just 1000% disconnected from discussing the Wikipedia article itself. Sergecross73 msg me 17:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like a real swell person! All that frustration and anger about... some gametrivia. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 18:00, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, and they really jumped to irrational anger and random asides faster than most too... Sergecross73 msg me 18:02, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Templates to numbered lists

Hi Serge. I wanted to get your opinion on whether you think it's justified to edit an album article solely to remove the track list template and change it to a numbered list while citing WP:TRACKLIST, an essay, as the reason. The style guide says if the writers are the same for the whole album it can be rendered as a simple numbered list and says for more complicated examples the template can be used. I ask because the user Elephantranges appears to be finding examples of album articles to change for this reason alone, and despite multiple users, including myself, expressing disagreement with their unnecessary changes on their talk page, I don't think they're convinced at stopping. I've now reverted some of their more unnecessary changes to numbered lists over the templates. Ss112 03:35, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I've always thought that the templates were preferred, and switching them back would be the equivalent of un-formatting a reference back to a bare link or something. While I'm not usually picky about tracklists in the articles I create/maintain, I can't say I even recall anyone trying that one on me... Sergecross73 msg me 15:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Right? I was aware of users who objected to using the track list templates reverting editors who had changed numbered lists to the template on articles they created, but not editors who actively go around citing WP:TRACKLIST and believe that it stating "a track list should generally be formatted as a numbered list" is advocating for templates being changed to a numbered list (until now). As Template:Track listing states MOS:VAR applies to not forcing the use of the template on an article, I believe the reverse should also hold true as there's still clear division on the issue per the last discussion and no clear consensus to force one or the other (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 66#Track listing template). Ss112 00:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, my two cents would be treating it just like formatting references - unformatted references are okay, but as soon as they're formatted/expanded, there's no reason to go back to bare links. Same with track lists. I don't see a reason to move backwards once they're formatted. I'm no expert though, as track lists are generally one of those areas where I just throw whatever up there, and let other people tweak/perfect it as they see fit. Let me know if any centralized discussion on this ever opens up and I'll participate though. Sergecross73 msg me 18:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Merry!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2023!

Hello Sergecross73, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2023. Happy editing, JOEBRO64 14:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

JOEBRO⁶⁴ 14:11, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Same to you! Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)