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Dersonlwd Talk 04:51, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

On Loveless

Instead of a string of edits and reversals, I'll try and make my points here as to my insistence on keeping the references to critical response in the Loveless article:

a)"receiving rave reviews by most of the British music press at the time it came out" seems significant to me in that this album in particular was, well, object of rave reviews. The point being not that it's generally considered good, but that compared to many other albums of the time, and many albums in general, it obtained a great ammount of positive attention, to the point of pure hype, and is still regularly touted as one of the greatest musical references of modern music, as if it were some sort of holy cow. Even now, albums get compared to (or when reviewed, are passingly associated with, even if jokingly) Loveless as soon as they veer off into noisy-pop territory. It's mentioned in the article already, yes, but in passing, and only to make the point that it didn't sell quite as well as expected, and using the first piece of info (acclaim) as a conduct for the second (low sales) doesn't seem precise to me, rather, they should be presented seperately and both with some attention. As my edit, I think, would leave it.

b)"and still often resurfacing on reviewer's lists of best albums to date.", meaning that it is still kept as an important musical reference by a number of people. Though said rankings list does show the point, it doesn't make it as explicitly, especially being at the very end of the article.

I'd like to get your reasoning as to the invalidity of these better explained here, hopefully, and maybe you can suggest a better way of phrasing this, or give me a convincing enough reason not to phrase it at all, which honestly, I haven't seen so far. Otherwise, since it's a tad ridiculous that two editors in particular are pulling this back and forth, we could take it to the article's talk page and maybe reach for a consensus. If you don't respond, I'll assume putting it back as it was before your reversal is okay. Cheers, Zeppocity 04:49, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with your points, as they are valid. My only problem is the placement of your points. The first paragraph, as I see it, is to be as succinct as possible, with the rest of the article to articulate the subject. Since there's already a paragraph on how Loveless was received by critics, mentioning your points there would be best, I think. Also, your point that you mentioned here about Loveless's hype might also be a topic worth mentioning, though carefully of course. I'll copy this to your Talk page because I'm not sure if you're going to check back here or at your own page. I'll also put it on the Loveless article's Talk page because it's relevant.ShaneCavanaugh 05:11, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

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I hadn't finished, no, it was just late and I had to go to bed. I'm mostly sourcing from spiral scratch at the moment, it's the most comprehensive on their history, beforte moving onto the other stuff. I'm not sure how you want to play it with regards your stuff, I'd feel a bit of a tealeaf if I appropriated your stuff. Mind, maybe you can clarify something that's been puzzling me: that interview with Shields where he said him and Colm met at a karate compo, the ages he quotes there aren't compatible with the dates of birth we've got for them, there's only 18 months between them so something is wrong somewhere if Shields says he was 15 and Colm was 12. That said I can source another ref which states Colm was 12. I wonder where the dates of birth were sourced from. I know Shields is noted for a hazy memory... Steve block talk 16:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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