Hi Simon - a warm welcome to Wikipedia. You seem like a very good addition and I hope to collaborate with you on many pages in the future. I have a lot of old JDM Cultus brochures (well, three or four) and other reference material. I am busy with another project right now but will scan them and maybe share them with you. Remind me if I forget. Thanks again and cheers, Mr.choppers | ✎ 03:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks and Hi Mr Choppers. As you can see I'm still pretty new to this but I don't mind helping out. This cultus article has been bugging me for a while. I hope we can return it to stub article for each model as there seems to be enough content. The brochures would be great for both reference and personal interest. Simon.pilepich (talk) 05:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ah yes, and WP has a lot of words that don't necessary mean what they mean in common parlance. In WP, "stub" means just a beginning of an article - not something one should aim for - and obviously not what you meant. When you want to split it up, do you mean by generation or by nameplate or something else? A number of interested editors only recently, after years of discussion, managed to merge Geo Metro, Suzuki Cultus, Pontiac Firefly, etc etc (since they all contained so much duplicate content) into a single article, meaning that it might be hard to arrive at a consensus to re-split it again along the same lines. If you mean to split it into Gen 1 and Gen 2, I think that's not unreasonable. My primary goal for this page (...one which I have largely been doing nothing about) is to prune more stuff and generally streamline the article a bit, making things a bit clearer. Anyhow, let's keep talking and if I begin to annoy you or whatever then you can always bring it to the relevant talkpages to get more editors' eyes on your questions/problems. Cheers and g'nite (it's 1 in the morning here). Mr.choppers | ✎ 05:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- It is tough..... I see what you mean by stub, nomenclature in new scenes is always tricky. I really don't like the merge. I think that the different Makes quantify for unique pages. For example [Holden_Barina] get's it's it's own page and couldn't't possibly be merged.
- Another minor note is that WP prefers pictures of standard, unmodified cars. As little special wheels, paintjobs, or whathaveyous. And no angles or exaggerated perspectives if possible. On the right please find provided an example of the Automobile Project's (please join!) favored photographic style, see WP:WPAC for more conventions and style agreements. Cheers, Mr.choppers | ✎ 05:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- Believe me I know those photos are terrible. I'm trying to find a free photo of the sa310 but it ain't easy (i stole my sa310 front for the GTI so i cant go getting a photo of that http://redlinegti.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=52066). That flame job one was allready on wikimedia so I used that for now. I just found a better one for the GTI in the photo album. So I'll switch it over. Any tips for finding CC photos? Simon.pilepich (talk) 00:54, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- Ah yes, and WP has a lot of words that don't necessary mean what they mean in common parlance. In WP, "stub" means just a beginning of an article - not something one should aim for - and obviously not what you meant. When you want to split it up, do you mean by generation or by nameplate or something else? A number of interested editors only recently, after years of discussion, managed to merge Geo Metro, Suzuki Cultus, Pontiac Firefly, etc etc (since they all contained so much duplicate content) into a single article, meaning that it might be hard to arrive at a consensus to re-split it again along the same lines. If you mean to split it into Gen 1 and Gen 2, I think that's not unreasonable. My primary goal for this page (...one which I have largely been doing nothing about) is to prune more stuff and generally streamline the article a bit, making things a bit clearer. Anyhow, let's keep talking and if I begin to annoy you or whatever then you can always bring it to the relevant talkpages to get more editors' eyes on your questions/problems. Cheers and g'nite (it's 1 in the morning here). Mr.choppers | ✎ 05:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
- First, sorry for the late response. My inner thirteen-year-old does not like the SA310 lights (too old fashioned) but my current self does. Cool, logical, and an unusual conversion. I wish you much fun with the rallying, and keep the shiny side up! I have some extra alloys (the ones in this photo!) but I guess shipping to OZ would be murder. I have an old Suzuki sports steering wheel too. Furthermore, as for photos, I have trawled all available sources for years trying to find suitable ones. There are several WP editors who search Flickr regularly for CC photos of cars, so I don't think that there is much left there. Another thing you can do is find a photo you like and then email the owner, requesting for them to relinquish the license - it's a convoluted and awkward process, but I have gotten some very special images that way: [1], [2], !!!. The linked photos contain links to the OTRS process, shoot me a wikimail or something if you need any help and we can continue the process of making Suzuki Cultus an article worth reading. Cheers, Mr.choppers | ✎ 00:34, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
![[1]](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Delahaye_134_N_Chapron_1938.jpg){kind=link}
![[2]](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1967_Rolls-Royce_Silver_Shadow_James_Young_Coup%C3%A9_front_right.jpg){kind=link}
- Oh, and the reason that Holden Barina remains its own article is that the badge ended up being used on a rebadged Opel Corsa. So the title doesn't fit very comfortably at Suzuki Cultus. As for the Makes, they all mostly consist of nothing more than different badges glued on at the plant in Hamamatsu - all of the essential developments mirror each other exactly, meaning that there was a lot of duplicate material on the various entries. And since they weren't all updated together they also often ended up containing contradictory information, and the articles on less popular versions (like the Pontiac Firefly) were full of errors and confusion. Mr.choppers | ✎ 01:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)