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Edits to Church of God International
editThanks for your edits to the Church of God International article. It is more informative and accurate about the CGI of which I am a member. I am also a Pastor and Media/Marketing director for the church. There are still a few items that portray the CGI in a non neutral way.
First the article states that the church was " founded by evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong (1930-2003)" This is not entirely accurate. It was founded by four former members of The Worldwide Church of God. One of which was Garner Ted Armstrong. http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue144/over-the-years-cgi-moved-from-authoritarianism.html
Second the article states "CGI doctrines are similar to those of the other Sabbatarian Churches of God, which formed after the 1995 schism in the Worldwide Church of God and primarily follow the teachings of Garner Ted Armstrong's father, Herbert W. Armstrong." It is true that CGI doctrines are similar but this gives the impression that CGI doctrines originated from Herbert W Armstrong. He taught a lot of speculative weird stuff that we have never believed. The doctrines precede him and come from recent origins of the Church of God, Seventh day. We personally believe they originated with Christ and the Apostles. Also, the churches that formed in 1995 have no significant connection to the CGI. The CGI doctrines were agreed on in 1978. I would suggest removing the reference to Herbert W. Armstrong.
The article also states "Following allegations of Garner Ted's gambling and adultery,[2] the disagreements between Garner Ted and his father over operations and certain doctrinal positions in WCG boiled over. In 1978, Herbert W. Armstrong excommunicated his son from WCG and fired him from all roles in the church. Garner Ted moved to Tyler, Texas where he founded the Church of God International and the Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association." There is no credible source to back most of this statement up. Reports of gambling and adultery allegations are only rumor or hearsay and not relative to the forming of the Church of God, International. The source supporting this is not able to be reviewed and is nothing but gossip. Citing this is the equivalent of citing the Weekly World News to support alien life in the universe. The use of the words "boiled over" certainly are not neutral. I suggest this be removed and be replaced with something like - "The Church of God International emerged from the WCG [Worldwide Church of God] in 1978 and was established in Tyler, Texas. It was founded by four former members of the Worldwide Church of God. Garner Ted Armstrong was the president of the church until he resigned and formed the ICG, the Intercontinental Church of God, in 1998."
The article also states "In 1998, amid accusations of rape,[5][6] Garner Ted Armstrong was removed from office by the church's board of directors." He actually resigned before he was removed. Also the accusation was not "rape" but "sexual assault." Every other wikipedia article and the sources cited mention sexual assault. Again this is not accurate. I suggest removing this from the article and let the sexual assault information remain on his article. It is not relevant information to the CGI as a church. He was an employee of the church acting on his own personal time.
Also in the media section I would suggest including something like "The church publishes a quarterly newspaper, The International News containing meaty doctrinal articles, world events as they relate to bible prophecy, and church news."
Thanks again for your edits.75.109.195.212 (talk) 16:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Edits to Church of God International
editThanks for your edits to the Church of God International article. It is more informative and accurate about the CGI of which I am a member. I am also a Pastor and Media/Marketing director for the church. There are still a few items that portray the CGI in a non neutral way.
First the article states that the church was " founded by evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong (1930-2003)" This is not entirely accurate. It was founded by four former members of The Worldwide Church of God. One of which was Garner Ted Armstrong. http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue144/over-the-years-cgi-moved-from-authoritarianism.html
Second the article states "CGI doctrines are similar to those of the other Sabbatarian Churches of God, which formed after the 1995 schism in the Worldwide Church of God and primarily follow the teachings of Garner Ted Armstrong's father, Herbert W. Armstrong." It is true that CGI doctrines are similar but this gives the impression that CGI doctrines originated from Herbert W Armstrong. He taught a lot of speculative weird stuff that we have never believed. The doctrines precede him and come from recent origins of the Church of God, Seventh day. We personally believe they originated with Christ and the Apostles. Also, the churches that formed in 1995 have no significant connection to the CGI. The CGI doctrines were agreed on in 1978. I would suggest removing the reference to Herbert W. Armstrong.
The article also states "Following allegations of Garner Ted's gambling and adultery,[2] the disagreements between Garner Ted and his father over operations and certain doctrinal positions in WCG boiled over. In 1978, Herbert W. Armstrong excommunicated his son from WCG and fired him from all roles in the church. Garner Ted moved to Tyler, Texas where he founded the Church of God International and the Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association." There is no credible source to back most of this statement up. Reports of gambling and adultery allegations are only rumor or hearsay and not relative to the forming of the Church of God, International. The source supporting this is not able to be reviewed and is nothing but gossip. Citing this is the equivalent of citing the Weekly World News to support alien life in the universe. The use of the words "boiled over" certainly are not neutral. I suggest this be removed and be replaced with something like - "The Church of God International emerged from the WCG [Worldwide Church of God] in 1978 and was established in Tyler, Texas. It was founded by four former members of the Worldwide Church of God. Garner Ted Armstrong was the president of the church until he resigned and formed the ICG, the Intercontinental Church of God, in 1998."
The article also states "In 1998, amid accusations of rape,[5][6] Garner Ted Armstrong was removed from office by the church's board of directors." He actually resigned before he was removed. Also the accusation was not "rape" but "sexual assault." Every other wikipedia article and the sources cited mention sexual assault. Again this is not accurate. I suggest removing this from the article and let the sexual assault information remain on his article. It is not relevant information to the CGI as a church. He was an employee of the church acting on his own personal time.
Also in the media section I would suggest including something like "The church publishes a quarterly newspaper, The International News containing meaty doctrinal articles, world events as they relate to bible prophecy, and church news."
Thanks again for your edits.75.109.195.212 (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Edits to Church of God International
editThanks for your edits to the Church of God International article. It is more informative and accurate about the CGI of which I am a member. I am also a Pastor and Media/Marketing director for the church. There are still a few items that portray the CGI in a non neutral way.
First the article states that the church was " founded by evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong (1930-2003)" This is not entirely accurate. It was founded by four former members of The Worldwide Church of God. One of which was Garner Ted Armstrong. http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue144/over-the-years-cgi-moved-from-authoritarianism.html
Second the article states "CGI doctrines are similar to those of the other Sabbatarian Churches of God, which formed after the 1995 schism in the Worldwide Church of God and primarily follow the teachings of Garner Ted Armstrong's father, Herbert W. Armstrong." It is true that CGI doctrines are similar but this gives the impression that CGI doctrines originated from Herbert W Armstrong. He taught a lot of speculative weird stuff that we have never believed. The doctrines precede him and come from recent origins of the Church of God, Seventh day. We personally believe they originated with Christ and the Apostles. Also, the churches that formed in 1995 have no significant connection to the CGI. The CGI doctrines were agreed on in 1978. I would suggest removing the reference to Herbert W. Armstrong.
The article also states "Following allegations of Garner Ted's gambling and adultery,[2] the disagreements between Garner Ted and his father over operations and certain doctrinal positions in WCG boiled over. In 1978, Herbert W. Armstrong excommunicated his son from WCG and fired him from all roles in the church. Garner Ted moved to Tyler, Texas where he founded the Church of God International and the Garner Ted Armstrong Evangelistic Association." There is no credible source to back most of this statement up. Reports of gambling and adultery allegations are only rumor or hearsay and not relative to the forming of the Church of God, International. The source supporting this is not able to be reviewed and is nothing but gossip. Citing this is the equivalent of citing the Weekly World News to support alien life in the universe. The use of the words "boiled over" certainly are not neutral. I suggest this be removed and be replaced with something like - "The Church of God International emerged from the WCG [Worldwide Church of God] in 1978 and was established in Tyler, Texas. It was founded by four former members of the Worldwide Church of God. Garner Ted Armstrong was the president of the church until he resigned and formed the ICG, the Intercontinental Church of God, in 1998."
The article also states "In 1998, amid accusations of rape,[5][6] Garner Ted Armstrong was removed from office by the church's board of directors." He actually resigned before he was removed. Also the accusation was not "rape" but "sexual assault." Every other wikipedia article and the sources cited mention sexual assault. Again this is not accurate. I suggest removing this from the article and let the sexual assault information remain on his article. It is not relevant information to the CGI as a church. He was an employee of the church acting on his own personal time.
Also in the media section I would suggest including something like "The church publishes a quarterly newspaper, The International News containing meaty doctrinal articles, world events as they relate to bible prophecy, and church news."
Thanks again for your edits.75.109.195.212 (talk) 16:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Accurate representation of doctrine on CGI wiki page
editThanks for the accurate representation of doctrine on the article "Church of God, International." I noticed that the logo is gone from the article. I am the media director for CGI and it is ok to use that logo on this page.75.109.195.212 (talk) 15:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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editAny other input or corrections, especially on doctrine, would be appreciated. I am trying to restore the logo, but have to work through Wikipedia and Wikimedia copyright paperwork.Siricruz (talk) 21:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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