Smertios

About Dom Pedro's title

First of all, I truly despise arrogant people. I don´t care if you are a monarchist or if you know any monarchists. I AM a monarchist but that does not have anything to do with the article. I´ve been working in Wikipedia for years, and I´ve done some very good job in here. Take a look at my profile and you´ll have an idea. What makes me angry is when someone who dos NOT colaborate in any way in an article and tries to act like an "all-knowing-wise-person". That´s you who I am talking about. Have you seen my work on the last days on the article about Pedro II? Do you think that´s an easy task? Trust me, it isn´t. Do you want to do that job on my place? Because I am seriously thinking on leaving that article as it is. And do you know who will win if I do that? No one. Because no one will ever known how great the Emperor was. Second, the King of Spain, "Don Juan Carlos I", as all the others kings and queens before him, has the "Don" as a title. Like the Dukes of Parma and the Kings of the Two Sicilies in Italy. And they are royals. Dom in Portuguese, Don in English, Spanish or Italian are the same titles. When you said that Dom Pedro Augusto and Dom Augusto did not have the "Dom", I saw how inexperient you were. And that conclusion became stronger when you said that it is a tile reserved only to male-line descendants. Please, whatever you read in Portuguese Wikipedia, do NOT bring to me. Ok? If you want to help, take a look at the text and correct any grammar, spelling or similar mistakes. Give some ideas about what to tell or what to write. But do NOT discuss something that you don´t know about it with someone who does. And yes, I was very arrogant in this message and on purpose. Now you know how I felt when I read your text. P.S.: Write in English, this is the English Wikipedia. Have a good night. - --Lecen (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you haven't been arrogant on this message. You have been so in all mesages I've read so far. And, please, read the Almanach de Gotha, unless you can show me proof that you are an expert on history of the nobility. The descendents from Dona Leopoldina do not use the title Dom. You can ask any expert on the field. I can find absolutely no references from reliable sources to the spanish word "Don" being taken into the English languages, except in dictionaries that list the portuguese Dom as well. Let's face it, please, Don isn't an english word, I don't know where you got that from. And when exactly have I written in anything but English?? The article is great so far, except for those minor problems I've mentioned. You can see I did not criticize any of the content, as, in my opinion you have done a wonderful job on that. It's just that it is not the first time I see people translating the emperor's name to English as "Don Peter II" or "Sir Peter II", when there are no historical documents referring to him as such. A proper English name would be Peter II of Brazil, I think, as the title Dom/Don etc is not normally used in English. Smertios (talk) 14:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)