User talk:Steve M/Archives/2021/January

January 2021

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give a page a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into The Milagro Beanfield War (novel). This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. Thank you. Spicy (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@Spicy: I tried to move it, but was unable to do so and was trying to revert my inappropriate draftify. What was the appropriate thing to do? 4thfile4thrank (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

You could have moved it back once the redirect had been deleted, or asked someone with pagemover rights to move the draft over the redirect. Spicy (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

A third option would be to use {{db-move}}, but since it was already an R2 request I would have just waited for that to clear. Primefac (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Request on 16:41:23, 6 January 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Soundsliketeatime

• Soundsliketeatime (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Junior Enterprises Global (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello :D Can you tell me what informations make you think that the article is a promotion? (other artciles treat the same subject, e.g. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conf%C3%A9d%C3%A9ration_europ%C3%A9enne_des_Junior-Entreprises). I honestly would need help to understand and improve this contribution with the help of an experienced contributor.

Thank you so much!

Soundsliketeatime (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Soundsliketeatime: Hello. Thanks for coming here! Firstly: see WP:EXTERNALLINKS. At Draft:Junior_Enterprises_Global#Members, there are too many external links. Other-language Wikipedias are not very reliable, as there are less people patrolling those wikis. Also, see WP:PUFFERY. It also contains a lot of stuff that are only about the goals of the organization. Good luck! Steve M (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Steve M: Hello. I worked on the stuff you asked me to modify, I hope it will be acceptable this way! Thank you again for your feedback :) Soundsliketeatime (talk) 08:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Soundsliketeatime: Hi. The removal of the links makes it safe from spam speedy deletion for now. However, I believe it needs a rewrite in order to be accepted. As I am not the most experienced at editing articles, I recommend you go to the Teahouse and ask there, where a lot of more experienced AFC reviewers and editors exist. Thanks, Steve M (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

SPI

Just noticed that you marked the SPI as closed and placed a G7 speedy tag. I actually got to know about WP:SOFTBLOCK myself two days ago, when I made exactly same mistake like you did. Another editor Pahunkat thankfully pointed it out to me, and the SPI was closed lol. Happy editing! :) --Ashleyyoursmile! 19:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Haemothorax

Hi, Steve. I noticed that you reverted your edit, but I have no problem but Murray & Nadel. I just happen to prefer Fishman. Axl ¤ [Talk] 22:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Steve M, just a follow-up to the talk page thread. Work is all-consuming this week, but I should have time to continue reviewing the article this weekend. I hope all is well! Ajpolino (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Ajpolino, thanks for letting me know! Steve M (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Added Short Bio for previously deleted article!

Hi, Steve. This is Raovikramnet (talk) 01:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC) from California, I would like to create page for 'Prasant Mohapatra'. Initially i created a draft but it was speedily deleted! i have created a new short, crisp, concise draft and published it, Hope it is not violating any Wikipedia guidelines (Currently i am not related to subject)

@Raovikramnet:, it still is promotional, I'm afraid to say. "Mohapatra’s research has resulted in more than 400 journal articles and conference and book contributions in the domain of wireless and mobile networks specifically on protocol design, performance, quality, and security. Prasant Mohapatra pioneered an understanding of how to quantify the quality of surveillance in a wireless sensor network. He has proposed novel methodologies for designing networking protocols, contributed to the development of new metrics and models, and methodologies for enhancement of quality and security of wireless network services." is promotional. See WP:RESUME. The tone is highly promotional. If you want more detailed advice, I recommend yo see the WP:TEAHOUSE. They have many highly experienced editors that are far better at helping new editors. Good luck, Steve M (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Steve M:, Thanks for pointing out. Totally makes sense. I have updated article and removed promotional content. Well, this article must have been in Wiki since late 2000's, surprised that no one has added it! Raovikramnet (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Finding the right venue for reporting

Whilst I have responded to your report of User:X2XTeam at WP:AIV, I thought I'd let you know that that was not the right venue to raise your concerns because their edits were clearly not vandalism. You were right to flag their userpage per WP:CSD U5, and I have deleted it. But their promotion of their business was not vandalism, and the right venue next time would be WP:UAA. You can do this easily by enabling and using WP:TWINKLE. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I agree that the edits were not vandalism. The reason I made the report was that I thought it was spam, and spam was mentioned in AIV. I use Twinkly. There is an option in twinkle called "Evidently is a promotion-only account". When is it appropriate to report spammers to AIV? Steve M (talk) 00:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I didn't interpret it as WP:SPAM as they didn't seem to have edited anything other than their userpage. So that's clearly not vandalism, is it? The userpage was deleted as a result of you correct CSD tagging as WP:NOTWEBHOST, and then I 'softblocked' theirt account for having a promotional username, which is relevant to WP:UAA. Only when articles in mainspace are repeatedly edited to include spam/promotional links is that a WP:AIV issue, and then only after edits beyond a 4th level warning have occurred. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Please take this feedback purely as a gentle steer, rather than criticism of your actions. It's just that I see far too many poor reports at WP:AIV and the only way to improve the situation is for admins to inform the reporting editor. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Sorry if my comment(s) sounded harsh. I have not taken it as criticism. I asked questions in order to clarify and avoid future inappropriate AIV reports. I removed all my AIV reports related to this. It makes sense to me. So basically, am I right in saying that AIV is only for spam past the 4th warning or very rapid-fire bot-like spamming in over 5-10 articles? If the answer is yes that I understand everything. Steve M (talk)

(edit conflict) Yes, that sounds right. Quite often my first warning to an editor is at the 2nd level - it depends how egregious their edit is. What frustrates me as an admin is when an editor leaves a warning and then immediately reports that user to AIV, and expects us to respond with a block. I refuse to block on that basis (there is one very experienced and generally very good anti-vandalism editor whose AIV reports I now mostly ignore because they so often fail to put the work in to warn and then to monitor for repeated poor behaviour. Their rushing straight to AIV is like The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, on a relavant sidenote, is this an appropriate way to respond to spam/vandalism? Because I want to know if changes are needed in my way of addressing vandalism.

Nonsensical edits: warn level 1, sometimes test edit

Offensive/profanity vandalism: warn level 2

RD2 worthy material: warn level 3

Oversightable material or rapid fire IP vandal: warn level 4im

Vandalism past 4 or 4im level warning: report to AIV

Account that has blatantly vandalized in over 4 edits, or has an obviously profane/disruptive username and has vandalized over 2 times: report as vandalism-only account Steve M (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Precious

medical conditions

Thank you for quality articles around medical conditions such as Chylothorax, Fibrothorax and Hemothorax, for updating medical articles, for dealing with articles for deletion, for fighting vandalism, for "quotes to live for", and goodbye, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2517 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Request on 22:41:45, 21 January 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Harley.quintana

• Harley.quintana (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Raise3D (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Steve M, You recently reviewed a page I wrote about Raise3D. You said it sounded like advertisement and you had some feedback about the sources. I am afraid I do not fully understand what you meant in your comments. I am not sure how the draft came off as an advertisement. And I am not sure what you meant in the comments about the sources.

Just so you understand my logic, I thought listing facts about the machines was remaining neutral. And as for the sources, I thought I did use notable, independent sources for the 3D printing industry. I am not sure where I went wrong.

Any further explanation would be very appreciated.

Thank you! Harley.quintana

Harley.quintana (talk) 22:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Harley.quintana, the main thing I can say is that it places undue weight on the products. For more help, see the WP:TEAHOUSE, where more editors can review your draft and explain in more detail what is wrong. Steve M (talk) 22:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft: STEMconnector

Hi Steve,

I was working on a draft "Draft:STEMconnector" that was nowhere near ready to be reviewed and I see that it was deleted. I can no longer access the text I had on the document to be able to modify and fix the issues. Can you please un-delete the draft so that I can go in and make the chnages? I've effectively lost all of the work I did previously with it being deleted and I was not ready for review either... i was just trying to save it so it wouldn't get lost. I have a ton of changes I need to make on it so that it fits Wikipedia's guidelines but as of right now I don't have anything to work on because all of the text and work that I did is gone. Please help!

-Dougpod

Dougpod (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dougpod. I am not an admin. I recommend you ask the admin who deleted the page. Did you read the link on the top of my talk page? Steve M (talk) 20:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Josh Frydenburg

This Man simply refuses to acknowledge the corrupt practices of officers under his charge. As there is no Independent Commission Against Corruption, there are no paths to have the truth known. I can support my claims with evidence of the Corruption and of this man's negligence in acting upon it. As his parents are both Holocaust Survivors he should know better than covering up the Truth. If you deem that the truth should not make up the basis of your Encyclopedia, i would appreciate redirection to another forum that will.<Freedom of Information Request No. 220-2019>

Please read WP:BLP. Steve M (talk) 00:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Man simply refuses to acknowledge the corrupt practices of officers under his charge. As there is no Independent Commission Against Corruption, there are no paths to have the truth known. I can support my claims with evidence of the Corruption and of this man's negligence in acting upon it. As his parents are both Holocaust Survivors he should know better than covering up the Truth. If you deem that the truth should not make up the basis of your Encyclopedia, i would appreciate redirection to another forum that will.<Freedom of Information Request No. 220-2019>Please read WP:BLP. Steve M (talk) 00:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC) Xassanhindi (talk) 21:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

George Gewinner edit removal

Steve, I've made a number of small phrasing edits to my George Gewinner article today. Each edit was intentional and designed to improve readability of the article. I don't understand why you would assume some of them were tests or why you remove them, but would appreciate if you would please revert. Thank you. GaryBayer (talk) 02:08, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I just realized that you took ALL of my edits out. Please put them back in - they were a lot of work! Thank you. GaryBayer (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@GaryBayer: I undid that, as I reverted much more than I wished. I thought you removed the e from george by accident. Sorry, Steve M (talk) 02:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

GaryBayer, I have undone that in the history. Sorry, it was an accident, as there are issues with the new tool I was using. Steve M (talk) 02:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Not safe to assume. George's birth certificate birth name was "Georg" which is the normal German spelling. He began using George because everyone here called him George. Thought it appropriate to show the birth name by the birth certificate reference. Thank you for restoring my edits. GaryBayer (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for your hard work! Anywhere I go you have already fixed it.

PirelliSlicks (talk) 04:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

why did you remove my facts and figures off of the melrose wiki

R u even melrose??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Childoframen (talk • contribs) 20:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Childoframen, your edits were not in an appropriate tone. Steve M (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Can we discuss Cuban sandwiches?

I'm willing to talk about this with a cool head, but I'm having a hard time justifying the inclusion of a regional ingredient in the traditional ingredient list when clearly there is a dedicated subsection for that discussion. Why only include salami, when there are other regional ingredients not explicitly listed in this section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:84A0:87CF:51D1:4340:8A25:143C (talk) 20:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't me who reverted your edits. Steve M (talk) 21:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	You're on top of it! ("it" being those endless "notable people" additions...) DanCherek (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Stop Steve

Hi Steve plz stop Wizardlordecho (talk) 00:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Wizardlordecho, your can't randomly add people to the "notable people" section WP:BLP. Have you seen that tiktok video? Please do not att people randomly to the "notable people section". It is the latest vandalism trend, all becaase of a tiktok. Over 200+ people have been reverted and/or blocked due to it. Steve M (talk) 00:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Wizard yr blocked. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 00:54, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Ohnoitsjamie, it is appropriate to use ordinary Huggle rollback in the case of obviously inappropriate additions to the "notable people" section? Steve M (talk) 00:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, for garbage like "Joe Smith, living legend" or "certified baddie" absolutely. For anything that looks like it could be good faith, probably best to revert with "non-notable" or something similar in edit summary. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 01:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Ohnoitsjamie, would using the reason "unsourced info on a BLP article" be sufficient for this purpose? Steve M (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Ohnoitsjamie, is this legit or notable people vandalism? Steve M (talk) 01:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey I’d like to hop on this, stop it Steve M why do you give a shut? We’re enjoying life harmlessly let us live. I am notable people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.171.125.210 (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for jokes. By all means have fun, but please take it elsewhere. Steve M (talk) 22:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Good work with reverting non-notable people additions, but...

I noticed that you used the 'living person biography' template here, was that a mistake? Warner Robins appears to be a town and not the name of a person. I feel like you're probably aware by now, or maybe I'm just parsing the template wrong- is it that they edited information on a living person within the article? Either way, the phrasing makes it sound like the article is a biography in and of itself. I'm a relatively new editor and you're an experienced one, so I feel like I'm probably the one missing something here, but I thought I'd let you know anyways.

Thanks, MuBoSko (talk) 01:30, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi MuBoSko, I noticed that, but it is't really meant to be that way. BLP applies for any content that is about a living or recently deceased person. Someone needs to change that in Huggle, as it is an issue with the reason. Steve M (talk) 01:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

MuBoSko, I'll probably just use "not providing a reliable source". Steve M (talk) 01:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Reliable resources????

Would Amino or Pinterest count as a reliable resource? I'm the one that tried to add notable people to Collin County. I do not know if I'm notable, but I am from collin county — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harleenphenix7 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so. Pinterest i a user-made source, and amino is a social networking platform. Not all people are notable. For the general guideline, see WP:GNG. I'm sorry is I was a bit too harsh, but there are a lot of people adding random people to the "notable people" list. They are originating from a TikTok video, and there is a huge surge of inappropriate additions to "notable people" lists. Thanks for coming here, Steve M (talk) 02:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Harleenphenix7, to determine that, read WP:GNG Steve M (talk) 02:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Motion proposed

A motion regarding the amendment request you filed, Amendment request: MONGO, has been proposed. The motion can be seen here. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 23:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

AIV

Hi,

Just wanted to say thanks for the help with that user :)-- 5 albert square (talk) 02:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

5 albert square, your welcome! Can you please hide the username in the revision history of UAA? It hasn't been hidden there yet and it is grossly inappropriate. Steve M (talk) 02:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Yup, was just doing that as you typed the reply :D-- 5 albert square (talk) 02:23, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

5 albert square, is it needed to hide https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&oldid=1003659510 ? It contains the same name. Steve M (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Done! 5 albert square (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing "béké"

Hi Steve, just to let you know that I was actually correcting the test. I am starting over again as the section is gone. Thanks anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MounISSIDAN (talk • contribs) 21:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi MounISSIDAN, please use the sandbox for tests instead, which is meant for tests and does not affect articles. Thanks, Steve M (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MounISSIDAN (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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