User talk:Stifle/Archive 0309b

Don Omar Image

Seeing how you did not take into account what I said at all before deleting this image, you can be the one to find a free image of Don Omar if you think it is so easy! As I said in my reason, if it was so easy, then why has no one provided one in the 4+ years this article has been made? Find one, otherwise you should not have deleted the image as it was not damaging him, his enterprise, his record label or copyright and if I stuck that same image on his angelito page it would remain up which to me is completely idiotic. Goodluck finding one, which you will unless you are here to damage wikipedia and not improve it. I'm here to improve it and that image was an improvement, you deleting it was not. Kartel King (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?

The Wikipedia rule on non-free images is that non-free images which are replaceable by a free image or by text that exists or could possibly be created to serve the same encyclopedic purpose are not permitted (emphasis mine). As a free image could be created (by someone taking a photograph of Mr. Omar and releasing it under a free license), the non-free image is not allowed.

As Wikipedia aims to be the free encyclopedia, removing non-free content in fact improves the encyclopedia by bringing it closer to its actual purpose; adding non-free content damages it. I'm sorry that you disagree.

You are welcome to make a listing at Wikipedia:Deletion review if you feel I did not abide by the deletion policy. Stifle (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Well if you believe yourself, why don't you go onto every article ever created for a single and delete the non-free images of screen shots taken from the singles respective video. In your opinion you are improving wikipedia so go ahead and do it. If you had bothered reading my reason for keeping the image you would be aware that I know the policies of wikipedia, but as per my reason I felt like it deserved to be kept until a free image which is so "easily" available be provided. There are some exceptions to the rules which I feel this image would have been one of them. Kartel King (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on that, see User:Stifle/Non-free audit workspace for more information. Stifle (talk) 10:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Ummmm, okay. Not too sure what you mean but I will have a look at that link now to understand you. Kartel King (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, should have been clearer. I'm working on deleting the non-free images of music screenshots where they violate WP:NFCC.

To the other matter, if we allow a non-free image until a free image becomes "easily available", we may as well tear up the non-free policy as anyone could claim that a free image is not "easily available". Stifle (talk) 10:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen that now and although I do not agree I guess I will accept it as it is fair. But I have evidence that it is not as easy as made out because Don Omar is a world wide famous artist whom for over 4 years no one has been able to provide a free image of him most likely because his fans are not avid wikipedians than anything else. Not anyone can claim this certainly not article about myspace bands. Kartel King (talk) 10:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

As you have not replied to my last comment let me ask you a question. When should I expect to see every screen shot of music videos deleted from wikipedia by you? When do you expect the category containing them to be empty? Two, maybe three months? Kartel King (talk) 12:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

If someone helps an old lady across the street is it then their job to help every single old lady? There is no need to badger Stifle like this. Stifle is a volunteer who is simply following policies. I can understand that you're irritated, but Wikipedia is free first-and-foremost. Also remember several commercial sites host Wikimedia content, and even though they probably won't get sued, we do everything we can to prevent it. If an image can possibly be replaced with a free version, then we can't legally justify using a copyrighted version. The solution is simply that fans of artists with no image on Wikipedia should email that artist to release 1 or 2 free images. As WP is one of the most frequently-visited sites on the internet, a lot of people want to have good pictures of themselves on it. So it's not really that hard to replace this picture. But seriously, Stifle spends a lot of unpaid time sorting through files and figuring out copyrights, and it doesn't really help to have someone be so negative about something that is a straight-forward interpretation of policy. If you really feel this was done in error, bring it to Wikipedia:Deletion review. If you don't like the policy, make a proposal to change it. But this isn't helping anything. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 12:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't see your comment as needing a reply because there was no question in it.

As you will see from my log, I am currently at the letter N in the non-free music screenshots. In some cases, the community has not agreed that the screenshot is inappropriate; those images will not be deleted. In others, the screenshot genuinely is not replaceable and it adds to readers' understanding of the discussion of the video in the article. The image on Crazy (Aerosmith song) is one example; Dirrty is another.

I do not have a timeline for completing the work on this category, and in any case as images are uploaded anew every day, it arguably could never be complete. I am not paid to do this. You are welcome to help out. Stifle (talk) 12:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

So what exactly makes the screen shot of Don Omar not one of the acceptable cases? I know a free image of him could be provided but I do not feel it to be as easy as the policy states as one hasn't been provided for over 4 years. I do not think alot of the community would have thought that image to be inappropriate, especially if no one could provide a free image for this well known artist. I am aware you are not paid, as is any other volunteer including myself, but I wont help you because as I previously mentioned, I do not agree. And I am quite happy to keep the images on wikipedia as I do not find it likely that any big corporation such as Viacom will sue wikipedia for having the free promotion on it's website. Just next time though I would like it if you replied to a comment on the images talkpage rather than proceeding to delete the image with no possible chance for the uploader to plead his case and defend from deletion. Kartel King (talk) 13:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It's simple — all it takes is for someone to find him, take a photograph of him, and release it under a free license.

I did read your talk page comment, but I did not consider the image to be irreplaceable based on the information available to me. I stand by that opinion.

I don't think any further discussion here will prove fruitful, however; feel free to make a listing at Wikipedia:Deletion review if you feel that I have not followed the deletion process. Stifle (talk) 14:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you please provide me with an example to your statement "In some cases, the community has not agreed that the screenshot is inappropriate; those images will not be deleted.". I'm curious to see which screen shots you feel the community has not agreed are inappropriate. Kartel King (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Section break for ease of editing

Certainly. File:If i could turn 281x211.jpg was kept where this discussion found that it was not inappropriate. Stifle (talk) 16:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou for that example. Now that I have read the reasons it was kept and it's significance let me ask you something. Do you think the image of Don Omar from his video Angelito is able to be kept under exceptional circumstances? This single was a significant move in his career and as an artist in general. The song was about aids and a message to be safe and have safe sex and was number one on a couple of charts and was very successful in general. Would this be reason enough for it's inclusion in the category of not being inappropriate? Kartel King (talk) 03:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

No. The image was being used to identify the artist, and a free image which could be created would suffice for that purpose. Stifle (talk) 11:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Question about licensing

Hi. I've got a question about licensing text in light of the upcoming potential transition to CC-by-SA. As one of my favorite go-to OTRSers, I wanted to let you know about it and ask you, if you have any input, to please weigh in. :) It's at Wikipedia talk:Copyrights#Co-licensing?. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Question

This request by Pygmalion to be unblocked is on hold while waiting for a comment by the blocking administrator.

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Hello

It is almost two days since I asked for unblock.

I would just like to know how long will it take to resolve that dispute?

Thanks, Marko. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.255.204.80 (talk) 07:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

It depends on how long the administrator takes to respond to the request. Stifle (talk) 11:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

There is already some response from administrator in my user talk. I have responded to his response.

Regards, 84.255.204.80 (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

... for talking sense in Yvonne Bradley's DRV.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 11:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of a Tanora instead? I don't drink (: Stifle (talk) 12:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

This pub doesn't serve it, but it's got New Coke?—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 12:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Sláinte! Stifle (talk) 14:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Peret

Can you please explain the deletion of this article. This was a biography of a professional sportsperson who has had in excess of 30 professional fight and fought for the Baltic Boxing Union Heavyweight title. Also the article was referenced. This doesnt seem like a candidate for a speedy delete.--Vintagekits (talk) 14:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The article there did not explain any of that and instead referred to nicknames and dubious facts cited to forum posts. I can userfy it for you if you're willing to clean it up. Stifle (talk) 15:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Verano de Amor

Hi there. I noticed you PROD'ed the Verano de Amor article a little bit ago. I'm inclined to think it should stay, as one of the lead actors (Dulce Maria) was one of the leads in the Rebelde telenovela / RBD singing group, and this show has received a fair amount of Spanish-language media coverage primarily for that reason. I'm going to look for better sourcing for it over the weekend and will leave the PROD notice alone until I can do that; I consider the WP:FICT proposed guideline generally confusing, and I'm not here to claim anything resembling default notability. Just wanted to pass along a friendly heads-up that I'll be working on establishing show-specific notability, and if I decline the PROD, this'll be why. Thanks - Townlake (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I have no objections to that. There was a huge walled garden of non-notable Colombian/Venezuelan telenovelas that I was involved in dismantling last year, so I'm generally wary of them. If it's notable and you improve it, feel free to deprod (not that you need my permission anyway). Stifle (talk) 16:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I just don't like to do that kind of thing without explanation. If someone else beats me to de-PROD-ing, my guess is it'll be for a similar reason, whether or not they're actually intending to make the needed improvements. Townlake (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Following up, someone else did indeed remove the PROD this morning, citing inherent notability in their edit summary. I'm working on sourcing today, but if you see fit to put it up at AFD, I won't take offense. Townlake (talk) 17:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

File:Krait-crew.jpg

Hi, I've responded to your nomination of this image for deletion. Could you please withdraw this - the image is PD in the US. Nick-D (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I'm not in a position to do that, as it is not at all clear that the image is PD in the US. Stifle (talk) 20:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

St Blazey Cricket Club Deletion

Hi,

I created the St Blazey Cricket Club information page, and I have noticed that you have deleted it. I was wondering on what basis you have deleted this for? Other pages are aloud to exist, for example Somerset County Cricket Club etc. Obviously these are big clubs therefore have a place, other clubs are also avaliable, ie St Blazey Football Club. This is a small team and is aloud to exist. I am extremely disappointed that this page has been deleted, as I have spent quite a bit of team gathering what information there was on there.

I ask you to please re-instate the page.

Regards

Antony Best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.88.110 (talk) 01:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~~~~ at the end.

Thank you for using my message system. However, in future, please try to choose the option that actually pertains to your specific situation, rather than defaulting to "other".

St Blazey Cricket Club was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about a club which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see WP:ORG for details of what might show notability. If you think that these criteria are met, please explain which one and provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.

You may alternatively file a deletion review request.

Thank you for pointing out the other articles to me. I have nominated St Blazey A.F.C. for deletion. You will note that Somerset County Cricket Club is a first-class cricket club, whereas St Blazey Cricket Club is an amateur club playing in Division 5 East. Therefore your comparison isn't really relevant. Stifle (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for replying to me, I would note that yes you may have put St Blazey AFC up for deletion, but there are a plethora of other, similar pages on wikipedia, so I don't quite understand why it is just our entry that has been selected. Secondly, although the page had very little in the way of facts, it should be noted that St Blazey is a founder member of the Cornwall Cricket League, if the page is undeleted, it will be added, with full reference to the Cornish Cricket Handbook. If you would consider this, I would be much apreciated.

Antony Best —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.88.59 (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately on this occasion I will have to decline your request to restore this article. If you feel other articles on Wikipedia are not appropriate, please feel free to nominate them for deletion. Wikipedia:Deletion process has more details on this. Stifle (talk) 11:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Account Creation Interface

Hello, I would want to request that you unsuspend me from the ACC interface and allow me to create new user accounts. After about 5-6 months now, I've learned more about Wikipedia and know more about usernames. I've learned more about usernames and I learned more of the technical features about creating usernames and how you can create one that has the same letters but different case. I also know more about Wikipedia's policys since. Techman224^Talk 03:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, done. Please read the guide before using the tool again. You will be limited to creating six accounts per day for the time being and won't be able to create accounts with similar names to existing users. If you find yourself running into these limits on a regular basis feel free to request the accountcreator flag from me or any admin or WP:RPE. Stifle (talk) 20:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually my attempt to restore the access failed. The server seems to be a bit screwed up. I'll try again later. Stifle (talk) 20:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Should be done now. Stifle (talk) 20:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: DRV

Thanks for the notification. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 14:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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Review of DRV of article on Nicholas Chan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_March_14 Thank you for commenting on the abovementioned article which I have put up for DRV. Sources have been updated for the DRV. Appreciate your review, thank you. Ncknight (talk) 06:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Coláiste an Phiarsaigh

Re. Coláiste an Phiarsaighp - please reconsider. I know that it's in another language - Irish I think. An article in another language on the English wikipedia does fit the criteria of patent nonesense. Otherwise, everyone checking pages would have to speak every language. Also, consider WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:SNOW, this page needs to be removed. I've already put a message on the users talk page to discuss it with them. Please reconsider.

One more thing, I find it very awkward to leave this message because of all the protection on your talk pages and your 'wizard' system; the problem is, if everyone starts creating their own system, it's going to be very hard to put notices onto each others' pages. I'm not sure of any protocol on this, but please do think about it. --  Chzz  ►  12:49, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The criteria for speedy deletion specifically state that material not in English is not patent nonsense. Content that might be a reasonable article should be preserved if possible. In future please consider tagging the article as {{notenglish}} and listing it at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation.

In this case, however, the matter is now moot. Luckily (for the page at least), I am one of a few sysops who speaks Irish, and have transwikied the old content to the Irish Wikipedia and translated the article there into English.

My message wizard is not designed to get people to place different messages onto different pages; rather, it is designed so that users who have an issue which any admin (or any user) could answer are routed to an admin noticeboard or the village pump, so that users who have an issue which I am not willing to deal with get advised straight away, and so that users who have an issue that I can deal with are prompted to leave all the necessary information. I've found that it works very well for me and I don't think I'll change it at this time. Stifle (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying policy on articles submitted in another language, I didn't think that was how it worked.

Regarding the 'wizard', having seen how it works, my only objection is with your sig, clicking on 'talk' is actually directed to this wizard thing, which is a bit misleading. How about your sig directing to talk, as per normal, and having a nice big sign on the top of there?

Lucky to hit someone who happens to speak Irish; good work on the article. --  Chzz  ►  13:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

File:0935.jpeg

File:0935.jpeg - Would you mind finding the ticket number for this image? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 13:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Found it, it's Ticket:2007040610010225. Unfortunately, the email does not contain a valid license; only permission to use on Wikipedia. Stifle (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

New project, any interest in helping out?

Hi. I know you are busy in quite a few areas of Wikipedia, but I wanted to just let you know that I've gotten sufficient support at the WikiProject Proposal page to launch Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup--and I've done so. If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any feedback. I've tried to be comprehensive and clear, but just because I think I've succeeded doesn't mean others will agree. :) I have asked for input from several other contributors with whom I've worked on copyright issues, but since you have a possibly different perspective from your side of the OTRS process, I thought you might have some unique insights to offer. If it doesn't fit in your schedule at the moment, it's not urgent, obviously. It'll develop as it goes. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a good idea. My immediate reaction is that some section on OTRS confirmations might be worthwhile, and I'm sure I'll come up with more over time. I'll write something on the project talk page. Stifle (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Of course, you're more than welcome to add directly to the project page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Please look at this bad page move

Can you please have a look at the recent page moves to List of people on stamps of Ireland that was moved to List of people on stamps of the Republic of Ireland and again moved to List of people on stamps in Ireland? The move is not without controversy over the name of the state, which is being discussed elsewhere. There are no stamps for the Republic of Ireland, even though the main Irish state article is named Republic of Ireland and in Ireland is totally wrong. The stamps are not in Ireland! The List of people on stamps of Ireland is proper because it uses the state's official English name and there are no independent stamps for Northern Ireland, so there is no ambiguity in using the official name. Stamps issued specifically for Northern Ireland are known as Regional stamps and covered by the article Regional postage in Great Britain. BTW, throughout all of philately the term "Great Britain" is used instead of the official name United Kingdom. This was a totally unnecessary move. TIA ww2censor (talk) 15:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but due to previous negative experiences, I do not generally engage in resolving disputes for other users. Please try one of the options at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Stifle (talk) 15:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ww2censor (talk) 15:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)