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Hi HiLo48. I am not really enjoying this! I don't want to create any new pages. I simply want to update the material on the Nick Kyrgios entry which I have noticed contains many outdated entries and none of the new articles or references from this year. There is a lot of material concerning his controversies which the page moderator has requested help to reduce and I edited it by removing the old material as no other player has such a list but it was reverted for suspected 'vandalism'. This is understandable as you can't just have anyone rubbing out a load of material. The old references don't go past 2019 which is four years ago. A lot has happened since then and for a sportsperson, their development goes very fast. I feel that Wiki should stay up to date on things like his 'perceived' good play which is actually world standard as Kyrgios has beaten every other player in the world! They have continually misquoted longform articles, emphasising aspects of controversy out of context of the main article which is about what a great player he is. The entry just looks rather silly and biased. Listing every time he lost a match or was injured. Every time he was fined. For balance we have to go through every current player and include every fine they also received?

So I don't know whether to try including new material as described in 2023 articles which the current editors are not aware of. These include extended studies in a number of magazines which highlight the player's psychology in relation to his behaviour on court with quotes from many sources. It also includes his experience of racism and how he deals with it. The new demographic he is trying to bring in to the sport. Will I bother writing up a draft? How do I go about including these sources? Maybe you can tell the editors that I am not a vandal? I would like to discuss where we go from here so that the sections which need re-writing and updating (as requested by the moderator) can be done by someone with the material? I don't know anything about html so citing an article correctly is going to be hard. do you think I should just give in and let the article remain outdated? I was a journalist myself (in the field of education) and am concerned to get it all right. PS - The complaints listed on your page like Wiki hates me...are very discouraging!SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 23:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Expanding/editing Nick Kyrgios: Mental Health Issues

I would like to introduce new material from four articles: November 2018 in which we learn that NK is seeing several psychologists; NK: Bad Boy Come Good (cover story, Men's Health 2023) concerning his career and mental health; NK joins the PTPA July 2023 in which he joins the player's union to help improve the health environment for players; NK is coming for Tennis NYTimes 2023 about the effect of levels of pressure and expectations. The current short entry uses a podcast for its reference. How do I go about asking the editors to do this?SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 23:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

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Hello! I do not have any conflict of interest with this page. I do not know Nick Kyrgios personally, nor his family nor have any interests in his companies. My interest is as an enthusiast of all Australian tennis players. I have followed Australian tennis for 25 years and know the history of it very well. I am interested in sports and education for young people and am concerned about the misuse of media. I would like to help update the resources used on the Nick Kyrgios pages which are at present old (pre 2019) and narrow. Many long form studies have been made in the last three years which are not mentioned here. How can I refer the writers to these new resources?SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 15:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Having "old (pre 2019)" sources doesn't mean they need removing, Wikipedia reflects what the reliable sources say, whatever age they are. Theroadislong (talk) 15:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes you're probably right. However as a tennis fan I am concerned with a correct balance of sources and like many others have perceived that these entries do not appear to draw from balanced sources. There is a very long entry on fines and controversies, much of which occurred before 2019. The ATP no longer uses such fines and no longer publishes them because the outcome is detrimental to the players mental health. Many other players have more serious incidents which do not appear on their WP entries. For the sake of balance, all players should have equal lists of fines - or none. The introductory bio relies on one match report which is very negative - from 2017. Kyrgios has played 300 matches since then. Looking at similar 'divisive' players' bios, they are much more positive. I have offered to introduce more recent studies from well-established sports writers, not online tabloids. Is this 'conflict of interest?' SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

Hello, I'm TechnoSquirrel69. I noticed that in this edit to Nick Kyrgios, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:26, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Techno Squirrel69. I have tried to explain why and hoped it was adequate. The section box says that it requires cleaning up. This section gives names and opinions of other players and people about Nick Kyrgios that may no longer apply. The section is called 'Current Public Perception'. It is no longer 'current' and these observations are subjective. No other players - I have checked the Wikipedia entries of eleven top players - have any similar type of entry labelled 'current public perception'. We should stick to facts. Some of these are positive and some are negative. Recent developments in 2023 have changed the 'public perception' of Kyrgios as he has not played for a year and has been cleared of the assault charge and his outbursts have been explained by two years of severe mental health issues. Thankyou for discussing these. Please consider restoring my deletions which I have been very careful to weigh up in comparison with many other player entries.SueoftheAntipodes (talk) SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Nick Kyrgios. And this includes your addition of non-neutral material: the claim that you are not involved in any way with the subject, emotionally or otherwise, is a bit difficult to believe. Drmies (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. Which part of my material was unsourced? I have been adding material on Kyrgios's recent podcasts and mental health which were already under headings. I would be just as happy for anyone else to do this. Or we can leave it not updated. He is a high profile individual and I am interested in keeping Wikipedia updated about Australian sport in general. Kyrgios is expected to retire soon from injury. I have given the references to the podcasts and to another print source for corroboration. I live in UK and have never met Kyrgios or his family but the town I live in is where tennis originated so people here are very interested in tennis. I do think that someone should update current perception as the sources are 2019.SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

January 2024

Hi SueoftheAntipodes! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Nick Kyrgios that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Note that all three of your edits there do not count as minor; in the future, try to only call something a minor edit if it only fixes an unambiguous typo or grammar mistake.‎ EducatedRedneck (talk) 02:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I do apologise. I was just adding some information such as an update on injury that meant Nick Kyrgios could not play in the Australian Open 2024 (see references provided) when it was previously supposed his injury would be healed after one year. I will probably not do any more editing as I seem to be making mistakes a lot. It would be good if another volunteer would update this pageSueoftheAntipodes (talk) 12:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

That's quite alright; Wikipedia has a steep learning curve, but please don't let that discourage you! Your contributions looked alright to me, so if you're making mistakes, you're making fewer and smaller ones as time goes on. You're kilometers ahead of where I was when I started editing! So if you still enjoy editing Wikipedia, I encourage you to continue. Thanks for your contributions, and happy new year! EducatedRedneck (talk) 14:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay I'll keep trying. I was doing quite a bit a few weeks ago because there were no other volunteers changing this entry on Kyrgios and quite a lot has happened in the Australian tennis scene. But the moderators thought I was 'emotionally involved' so they reverted everything. I was going to include some material on racism/ethnicism in Australian junior sport which has affected his development because it is very topical at present especially in cricket but it's a difficult topic to get right. Ethnic kids and parents have to be very careful to keep silent if they want to play many sports. Australia is trying to fix this now. Kyrgios has highlighted this in tennis which is a positive.SueoftheAntipodes (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)