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Daya Singh Bedi

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Your edits on Daya Singh Bedi have been BOLDLY reverted (by me and another experienced editor), mainly because we believe your edits were against certain Wikipedia core policies. However, under the Wikipedia Guidance policy WP:BRD you could, if you wish, REVERT all our edits to your last preferred (ie status-quo) version and request for a DISCUSSION on the article's talkpage to arrive at a WP:CONSENSUS. Sigmabaroda (talk) 13:25, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I suggest you do not do that (revert) and was in the process of leaving you a note when Sigmabaroda left theirs above.

I realise that you meant well, Sunamikapreeti, but a fair amount of what was removed was indeed simply against key policies and guidelines. Sigmabaroda is not an experienced contributor here and they're upset with me over something else, hence their attempt to stir things up. I am happy to explain any of the changes that you do not understand but one major aspect in the removals is that the article is about one person but much of the content did not relate to that person in anything other than a trivial way. Indeed, in some instances it didn't relate to them at all.

I have added this talk page to my watchlist, so you can ask questions here if you wish. Alternatively, you can ask at User talk:Sitush or at the article talk page. Please do not be disheartened by what has gone on: it can be difficult to get a grasp of how Wikipedia works when you are starting out and those of us who are experienced are aware of this. - Sitush (talk) 13:41, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Sitush is also experienced in getting blocked [1] so listen to him, but he must WP:AGF like everybody else and not disparage other editors. Since Lt.Col Bedi was notable, I can help you in finding reliable sources WP:RS eg. [2] Sigmabaroda (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Be wary of that link. It shows up here as an Untrusted Site, which means it could harm your computer. Not sure why as the site itself is the National Library of Australia. - Sitush (talk) 14:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with that site.Here is another Govt of India IMAGE link for you [3] "Press Attache G.O.I.Australia/Sept.49, A22a(iii)History was made in the Australia-India trade relations when two Indian ships, S.S. Bombay and S.S. West Bengal visited Australia.. These were the first two India Government-owned ships to call on Australian waters and they received a warm welcome. His Excellency the High Commissioner for India, Lt. Col. Daya Singh Bedi went specially to Sydney to meet the Captain and officers of S.S. Bombay. He inspected the ship and attended a reception in their honur. On August, 26 the captain of S.S. West Bengal and his officers came to Canberra and the High Commissioner for India held a reception in their Honur which was attended by Australia’s Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for External Affairs, Dr. H.V. Evatt and members of the diplomatic corps. This photograph shows (left to right , front row): Mr. Wallwrk, captain, Lt. Col.D.S. Bedi, High Commissoner for India, Dr. H.V. Evatt, Australian Minister for External Affairs, Mr. Wadia, Mr. Fernandez and T. Pande, Information Officer to the High Commissioner for India." Sigmabaroda (talk) 14:19, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

This is in sync with his role as High Commissioner of Australia.

User:SitushYou have made changes without discussion - all the information mentioned on Daya Singh Bedi's page was with citations from the internet. This page will have a brief reference to India Pakistan and Afghanistan since Daya Singh Bedi's patronage was in those areas pre-partition. He is the direct descendant of Sri Guru Nanak and that is a historical fact. The family tree is absolutely and factually correct and so is every other information mentioned on the page. Please ask me what aspects of the information are disputed, what is unclear to you and why you have 'slashed' the information on Baba Daya Singh Bedi.

Hi, not everything on the internet is a reliable source - have you read the info at that blue link? For example, you were using something from Blogspot and something from jatland.com, neither of which are acceptable on Wikipedia. There are practically no sources from the Raj era that are considered reliable here, and I think you were also trying to use uncaptioned photographs to verify written statements (see our attitude to original research).

Specifically regarding the family tree, the article concerns a particular person and Wikipedia is not a genealogy website. Do these points help you at all? I did provide explanations in my edit summaries, which you can see here. - Sitush (talk) 16:21, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush, since the editor has opted to dispute your deletions and seek discussion, I propose you rollback to [4] by User:Utcursch and discuss on the article talk page in a WP:CIVIL way.Sigmabaroda (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

And I suggest that you butt out of this. You do not have much clue about our policies, you are only here because you followed me to the article after hitting brick walls elsewhere, and I am trying to guide Sunamikapreeti in how Wikipedia works. - Sitush (talk) 16:32, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

"Genealogical entries. Biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. One measure of these is whether someone has been featured in several external sources (on- or offline). Less well known people may be mentioned within other articles.". The deleted "Bedi Family Tree" is perfectly acceptable under policy, all it needed was a proper source and some formatting for thesementions.Sigmabaroda (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

I hadn't even bothered mentioning verifiability at this stage because I didn't want to overload Sunamikapreeti with too much reading in one go but, obviously, that also applies Now please back off until you actually understand how we operate here. - Sitush (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

You're obviously stressed out. Chill, relax, go edit something else, have a beer (have two). Sigmabaroda (talk) 17:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Sitush SigmabarodaHow blaze you are! Thanks for the Beer. I am not interested or have the expertise to edit any thing else. PLease, I beg of you dont use my page to get back at each other - I'll get guys all the beer you want!

Please, I beg of you not to use me to get back at each other. There is years of research and effort that has gone into preparing the wikipedia page on Baba Daya Singh Bedi. Please revert the article back to its original - the Bedi's, just like the Sodhi's form an important part of Sikh History and religion. The Bedi's are direct descendants of Sri Guru Nanak the patron saint of the Sikhs and as descendants and as royal family of Kallar (Pakistan) they have a very important role to play in Sikh religion. Baba Sri Chand the ascetic son of Sri Guru Nanak insured the lineage and form a significant part of the intangible cultural heritage. I am formally studying this subject and can assure you every bit is true and accurate. Baba is a title of reverence and therefore Baba Daya Singh Bedi cannot be referred to as merely Bedi. Please revert to the original and I will go through each aspect. The family tree is necessary to record the lineage of the great Saint Guru Nanak.

I request both of you to please return Baba Daya Singh's Bedi's page to its original - it is a faith I practice, study and revere and must be recorded for posterity...please return the page to it's original.

It is important to document royal families from Pakistan who were forced to migrated to India and the Bedi's of Kallar form the part of Sikh history that had it's influence in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I promise both of you many more beers, just return my page on Baba Daya Singh back to original!

This article is about a famous person and his family, with achievements in his life and an even more famous lineage! How many people can claim fame to a direct lineage to a saint like Sri Guru Nanak?

I promise both of you many more beers, just return my page on Baba Daya Singh back to original!

My offer of Beer was only for Sitush. What you have been doing is completely wrong and against Wikipedia policies. Sitush is an experienced editor at Wikipedia, I am an experienced editor at Sikhiwiki. So you don't have to explain to us, if you want our help to make this article into a Good Article. Bole So Nihal means you have spoken and that is sufficient Sigmabaroda (talk) 09:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Sitush Sigmabaroda What have I been doing wrong? You know I am new to this and my contribution has been only to my field of research and expertise. Why havent you discussed what is 'wrong' instead of being a bully and massacring someones effort and devotion? Return the page to it's original and lets go step by step on what is 'wrong' because sikiwiki has been a reference point for me too. If you are with Sikiwiki you will realise how limited the information is on Sri Guru Nanak and the Guru's descendants and the role they have played in preserving Sikh culture. You will also know of the Bedi's of Kallar and their family tree. Baba Daya Singh Bedi's lineage is legitimate and documented and you will be surprised how each family has preserved it's family tree - it is not confined to what appears on sikiwiki. Please return the article to it's original. Bole So Nihal.

User:Sitush is the best editor you can find at Wikipedia for caste related article disputes like 'Bedi' caste, 'Sodhi' caste, and if Bedis are Khatris descended from Sri Guru Nanakji, or they are from Sodhis who studied Vedas in Banaras.Sigmabaroda (talk) 10:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Sigmabaroda By your own admission you do not have the knowledge, understanding or expertise on the Bedi's or other sects or casts of Sikhism, so it is totally irresponsibly on your part to delete my contributions. Please restore the Baba Daya Singh Bedi's page to it's original and given that your conversation trail suggests alcohol as your editing companion all the more reason why you should not be editing anything related to Sikhhism. Please stay away from me and find someone else to abuse and bully. Your action amounts to Vandalism and is totally out of sync with Sikh ethos.

Sitush (talk) ::User:Sitush Please help me on this. Once the page is restored to it's original, I will go through each aspect if need be and clarify. I included several references to reaffirm each statement. All that is mentioned to Baba Daya Singh Bedi's page is historically and factually accurate, the practices and beliefs are legitimate just as the Bedi family tree is true. I have studied this aspect of Sikh history in great detail and with devotion. There are factions who deny and categorically refuse to acknowledge this aspect of Sikhism. A religion and it's culture cannot be allowed to be tampered with which is what a genre of fanatics have been actively doing on the internet. What has been done to my page amounts to vandalism. What is obvious like you mentioned earlier is that my page does not qualify for speedy deletion, that too by someone who appears to be drinking while editing!

Hi, the references above to "have a beer" are meant in the sense "why not take a break from Wikipedia and go relax for a while". AS for the article, would it be ok if I copied the old version into your userspace? You could work on it there and then we can move it across into the "live" Wikipedia space if and when it seems ok. I'm not too happy with the idea of restoring such a poor version to an area where everyone can see it. - Sitush (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Sitush Hi, Thank you! I dont know what a userspace is! I'm new here and no one other than you two perhaps have seen it! I'm fine anywhich way, but I only know how to edit on the mainpage! How about you restore it for a day, let me understand where the faults lie while I read and relate wikipedia policies with it - I really am intrigued why there is such little information on Sikhism on the internet! Thanks for the clarification on the Beer, but in Sikhism any suggestion of alcohol especially while in discussion of religious aspects if blasphemous and given that it was suggested by someone who claims to be an 'experienced' editor sikhiwiki is shocking. Besides his tone and tenor is that of a bully!

I have copied the old version to User:Sunamikapreeti/Daya Singh Bedi, where you can work on it just as if it was in the "mainspace" (the area of Wikipedia that is visible to everyone). The only people who will see this temporary version are those who know it exists, so there is no problem with you experimenting etc there as you learn. Feel free to ask questions along the way.

I understand re: the beer thing. Some people here say "have a cup of tea" as an alternative for the same idea, but I guess that would offend, for example, some Mormon people. The world is a big place and there are many different cultures - it is pretty much impossible to please all of them, all of the time. - Sitush (talk) 08:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

haha! ...someone who knows about the sensitivities of the Mormons and yet offers tea would be stupid right? In Sikhism, alcohol along with scriptural discussion amounts to unpardonable sin. It also explains the selected information and defacement of Sikhism on the internet.

I have been working on this page diligently for over 5 months, other editors have visited my page and offered suggestions and edited and no one has deemed it for vandalism – why now? Because you two have a personal issue to settle?! It’s highly unfair to sabotage my page. And that too so brutally and with such bold arrogance.

I can’t locate the page where I can edit and please return it to the original so that I may take advice from friends on improvement too, given that the space suggested by you is visible to those prone to wreckage. Please give me a fair chance.

The old version of the article is at User:Sunamikapreeti/Daya Singh Bedi and you can share that with your friends etc. You can edit it just like you were doing previously. If some or all of it gets close to what we accept at Wikipedia then it can be copied back so that the entire world can see it. What I did was not vandalism, by the way - please see WP:NOTVAND. - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

What you did does not fall under the catagory of speedy deletion either either. I would appreciate if you would chill. Get inebriated. And edit some other page. And give other editors on wikipedia respect too. "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content, in a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia"

Baba Daya Singh Bedi was famous, not perhaps in the notoriety sense that would appeal to you, but for his piety, as head of a branch of the Kallar family and his lineage to Sri Guru Nanak. His family tree is as legitimate just as the other descendants of Guru Nanak’s family tree that you have on sikhiwiki. There are other intact family tree’s you may want to include like Baba Dera Baba Nanak, Una Sahib Etc. Or is it your mood which decides which family tree to publicize?

Please clear your facts before making changes on my page. Baba is a inherited title, all descendants of Guru Nanak have the title Baba, and the descendants of the Guru's have the title Guru. Kanwar or Tika is the title given to heir apparent. This is happened for generations so please lets not tamper with history. Incidentally, where ever you have left 'citation needed' had reference is the original. You want a citation for Iskandar Mirza as the President of Pakistan?? If you click on the link Mysore State it will tell you that it merged with the state of Karnataka in in 1973. All details of Baba Daya Singh Bedi's career is the gazette!!

Please find something else to edit!

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