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List of Michelin 3-star restaurants
Please stop adding restaurants that have lost their 3-star rating to List of Michelin 3-star restaurants. This article is an overview of restaurants with a current 3-star rating, not an historical overview. The Banner talk 09:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I disagree with your rationale. If it’s for current, the list should be renamed 2020 or current very clearly. All the Michelin lists on Wikipedia features former stars, for example the NYC one. Given your stature, I assume you should know the rules better than I do by not engaging in edit wars. Pls achieve consensus first before further undoing mine. My edits clearly give the contexts of why they should be kept thx. Supermann (talk) 05:59, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- It would be a good idea that you start reading the article carefully. For example, the title already states "List of Michelin 3-star restaurants", not "List of former and present Michelin 3-star restaurants". Beside that, one of the headers state "List of Michelin 3-star restaurants by country in the latest version". This means: the restaurants must be mentioned in the current/last issue of the Red Guide. Not in an older issue of the guide. The Banner talk 10:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- If you carefully read the summary section, "Currently, there are 137 restaurants with 3 Michelin stars based on the 2018 or 2019 Michelin Guides of the particular city or country." Also, your argument is entirely moot, especially if you or no one else hasn't spent time in scrutinizing every existing single entry. My edits clearly show the two restaurants didn't lose their stars due to bad food quality or hygiene etc. If you look at List of Michelin starred restaurants in New York City, all historical stars are maintained while keeping the list current. It really doesn't hurt to keep them. I don't understand why you are so eager to delete history. You should stop abusing your editing. Instead, you should raise it on the article's talk page and establish consensus. Supermann (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- No, my arguments are not moot, your arguments are incorrect. As you can see List of Michelin starred restaurants in New York City contains a list of all restaurants ever awarded one or more stars. Just like List of Michelin starred restaurants in Ireland and just like List of Michelin starred restaurants in the Netherlands. And please note that restaurant Oud Sluis lost its stars a few years ago and is not in List of Michelin 3-star restaurants. You seem to be the only one who wants to keep former 3-starred restaurant in the list, even when that is clearly wrong. If you read the sourced that you have added (Michelin Japan 2020), you can clearly read that they have lost their stars. Why do you not create an article List of Michelin starred restaurants in Japan. That would be the correct place! The Banner talk 17:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Why did they lose their stars? The reviewers didn't say it was due to bad food/hygiene. I already cited their reasoning and gave the expiration date for the 3 stars. Why is that not enough for you? Once you do create the entry List of Michelin starred restaurants in Japan, I am fine with you removing them here. It seems you don't want readers to know any context regarding the list. Supermann (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- It looks more that you fail to understand the purpose of this list and the difference with the other mentioned articles. The Banner talk 09:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Why did they lose their stars? The reviewers didn't say it was due to bad food/hygiene. I already cited their reasoning and gave the expiration date for the 3 stars. Why is that not enough for you? Once you do create the entry List of Michelin starred restaurants in Japan, I am fine with you removing them here. It seems you don't want readers to know any context regarding the list. Supermann (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- No, my arguments are not moot, your arguments are incorrect. As you can see List of Michelin starred restaurants in New York City contains a list of all restaurants ever awarded one or more stars. Just like List of Michelin starred restaurants in Ireland and just like List of Michelin starred restaurants in the Netherlands. And please note that restaurant Oud Sluis lost its stars a few years ago and is not in List of Michelin 3-star restaurants. You seem to be the only one who wants to keep former 3-starred restaurant in the list, even when that is clearly wrong. If you read the sourced that you have added (Michelin Japan 2020), you can clearly read that they have lost their stars. Why do you not create an article List of Michelin starred restaurants in Japan. That would be the correct place! The Banner talk 17:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- If you carefully read the summary section, "Currently, there are 137 restaurants with 3 Michelin stars based on the 2018 or 2019 Michelin Guides of the particular city or country." Also, your argument is entirely moot, especially if you or no one else hasn't spent time in scrutinizing every existing single entry. My edits clearly show the two restaurants didn't lose their stars due to bad food quality or hygiene etc. If you look at List of Michelin starred restaurants in New York City, all historical stars are maintained while keeping the list current. It really doesn't hurt to keep them. I don't understand why you are so eager to delete history. You should stop abusing your editing. Instead, you should raise it on the article's talk page and establish consensus. Supermann (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Gotten here via Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink#List_of_Michelin_3-star_restaurants. The List of Michelin 3-star restaurants is clearly for the latest version. This is indicated clearly in every section of the list. There is nothing for previous restaurants which are not listed in the latest year. The other lists that you have raised in your argument with User:The Banner are not only for the current year's edition, but for historical inclusion as well since the restaurants are listed with when the stars given and not subsequently. robertsky (talk) 19:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Again, summary section states, "Currently, there are 137 restaurants with 3 Michelin stars based on the 2018 or 2019 Michelin Guides of the particular city or country." Each column is labeled "awarded since" not "2019/2020". Therefore it doesn't hurt to add the heavy weight from the past. I don't understand why people like censoring history.Supermann (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- You do not seem to understand the meaning of "currently"? The Banner talk 15:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Nowhere in any dictionary says "currently" cannot include history/context for a Wikipedia article. The two restaurants 3-star status are fully caveated. I don't understand why you are so eager to censor history.Supermann (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Because this article is only about the present, not the history. The Banner talk 18:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- I am creating List of Michelin starred restaurants in Japan so that we can see the history!Supermann (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Finally something positive. I advice you to add the template:inuse to it to show that you are working on it. I know from working on the Dutch and Irish articles that it is a lot of work, especially with the many 1-star restaurants. Good luck. The Banner talk 11:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't have time to work on all the stars for free and others should start contributing. Otherwise, it's again a silent lazy majority situation here. And you should take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Michelin_3-star_restaurants and start discussion there instead of my talk page and deleting stuff on your talk page. They are not really deletable. You should know this better than anyone. ThxSupermann (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- So, out of sheer pettiness you create an extremely incomplete article? With no intent of finishing it off? The Banner talk 10:08, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- I am still seeing you refusing to apply the same "standard" you impose to the other two onward to Koryu. And why is that? If you are accusing me of sheer pettiness, what is your condition? Double standard? Random standard? I don't have time to further expand the list. This is not a paid job. We volunteer. Remember? Thx Supermann (talk) 15:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- So, out of sheer pettiness you create an extremely incomplete article? With no intent of finishing it off? The Banner talk 10:08, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't have time to work on all the stars for free and others should start contributing. Otherwise, it's again a silent lazy majority situation here. And you should take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Michelin_3-star_restaurants and start discussion there instead of my talk page and deleting stuff on your talk page. They are not really deletable. You should know this better than anyone. ThxSupermann (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Finally something positive. I advice you to add the template:inuse to it to show that you are working on it. I know from working on the Dutch and Irish articles that it is a lot of work, especially with the many 1-star restaurants. Good luck. The Banner talk 11:29, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- I am creating List of Michelin starred restaurants in Japan so that we can see the history!Supermann (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Because this article is only about the present, not the history. The Banner talk 18:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
December 2019
Your recent editing history at List of Michelin 3-star restaurants shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. The Banner talk 08:45, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Ow, brilliant. You are so creative that you even fail to created a proper signature when wrongfully slapping a template on my OP. The Banner talk 16:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- I have updated the article's talk page so that others can see your bullying under the sunlight. I prefer spending more time on something more meaningful to being narcissistic about one's signature.Supermann (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- You are funny. The Banner talk 10:06, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
- I have updated the article's talk page so that others can see your bullying under the sunlight. I prefer spending more time on something more meaningful to being narcissistic about one's signature.Supermann (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)