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SPA tagging

Wouldn't it be more effective to leave the work to a bot? Trade (talk) 16:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Probably, but it's not very time-consuming for me to do so manually. All it takes is a Ctrl+F for the username, and then pasting in the template. That way, I don't have to wait for some bot to get around to it on a fast-moving page. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 16:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

One per user seems sufficient. Otherwise it just hurts readability--Trade (talk) 19:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I do not agree with that assessment nor that user's revert, but I also don't care enough to contest it. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 19:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Sweet Baby Inc editnotices

Hi SWAT, I moved the editnotices you created for Sweet Baby Inc. and Talk:Sweet Baby Inc. to where they should be :) SWinxy (talk) 20:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I totally forgot that article space editnotices go in a different place than userspace ones. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 20:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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MisteOsoTruth

Would you be willing to change Selo007 (talk · contribs)'s block to something similar (CTOPS GENSEX restriction)? Trade (talk) 23:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe I can. If Selo007 was blocked under the CTOPS procedure directly, then it would be out of process for me to modify that block -- the appeals process for a single-administrator-imposed CTOPS block starts with the blocking admin. If Selo007 was blocked under consensus at AN/I, which is how I interpret the block; then it would also be out of process for me to modify the block. Either way you'd have to ask @Acroterion:. The only scenario in which I would be able to unilaterally modify it without the blocking admin's permission (or consensus at AN) is if they were simply blocked for a policy violation directly, in which case while I *could* do it, I'm not sure why I would want to. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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Sinclair CW affiliates

The website reads old logos, but they're outdated! BMarGlines (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

If they're actively being used on the website, then your mere assertion that they are "outdated" in the face of evidence to the contrary is not just meaningless -- it's disruptive. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, I could be banned ALL across MediaWiki due to evading the ban on Dream Logos Wiki! BMarGlines (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not how banning works, as that's not a WMF-controlled wiki -- but if you're already ban evading elsewhere, you absolutely will not bring that disruptive behavior over here. Tread very carefully.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

If MediaWiki announced a universal ban, that means that it may spread across Wikimedia or Fandom BMarGlines (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Fandom is a separate entity that has no relationship to Wikimedia. The two networks do not share accounts, thus it's not possible for there to be a "universal ban" as far as I'm aware, unless I'm misunderstanding something. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

They both use MediaWiki BMarGlines (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki is just the software. Lots of companies use MediaWiki. You can take a look at the banning policy -- there's nothing in there about a MediaWiki ban. I have no idea why you're banned on the Dream Logos Wiki (I could hazard a guess though...), but what they do there has no power to affect anything here. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

WHDF consequences

WHDF's logo that you added was from when it debuted on YouTube TV, and it changed on Facebook, this may lead to WHDF on Wikipedia ending up with its first CW logo. BMarGlines (talk) 21:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I have not "added" anything -- I have reverted the undiscussed and unsourced changes that do not appear to have any evidence for being correct or accurate. As I've mentioned multiple times now, you'll need to cite a reliable source that these logos have changed. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Even worse, I could be globally banned from Wikimedia Foundation from evading Dream Logos Wiki ban, a website-to-website evasion. BMarGlines (talk) 22:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Please read what I wrote above about how Wikimedia Foundation banning policy works. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Ranger Regiment article

After reviewing the sources, most do not seem authoritative. Sources from the British Army and MoD only suggest that they will be roughly modeled on the Green Berets, and will share the FID and UW role of SF. That, however, does not mean that they should be considered equivalents as US Army SF is a SOF unit which is able to undertake the full range of SOF missions. Nowhere in the article is that distinction made, and you deleted my well-sourced section that outlined the differences.

So what sort of edit would be appropriate? Wikipedia is the public's primary source of information on these units, and at present this article is lacking important context. 165.166.230.211 (talk) 04:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I shouldn't say "context" but rather nuance. For instance nowhere does it acknowledge that the Rangers are not as capable of operating behind enemy lines due to a lack of language training. It doesn't mention that US Army SF medics train in civilian trauma centers for months in order to gain experience to prepare them as a medical provider for rural civilians in other countries to engender good will with the populace. It doesn't mention that the Rangers train for 3 months while Green Berets train for over a year in many instances. The Rangers are also not airborne qualified and are not reported to have any specialization for insertion.

All of this was mentioned in the section that you said did not actually make any comparisons. 165.166.230.211 (talk) 04:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not require sources to be "authoritative." Please carefully review our policy on verifiability and avoiding undue weight, and the guidelines on reliable sources. Your section, while partially adequately sourced, was a massive WP:COATRACK violation, and constitutes undue weight. It did not actually make any comparisons between the two units -- it spent multiple paragraphs describing the Special Forces pipeline, and only in passing mentions that Ranger Regiment has a shorter training cycle, and that it's unknown what the future is. That is not a "comparison" -- that is simply off-topic content that is not directly relevant to the Ranger Regiment article. In contrast, however, the other in-line references that the Ranger Regiment is modeled after Special Forces (which is a very different thing than what you are claiming), were an appropriate amount of weight given their short length, clear conclusions, and reliable sourcing. The article in its present state already provides sufficient information about the origins of the Ranger Regiment. A comparison section *could* be appropriate, if it actually made a direct comparison of the two units, without undue weight, and did so in a way that was reliably sourced, constructive, and encyclopedic. Nowhere, however, did I see anything stating they were "considered equivalents" or "undertaking the full range of SOF missions" -- these are things that the article does not actually claim. Furthermore, your statement that "all of this was mentioned in the section..." is flatly false. None of those things were mentioned in the form of a direct comparison, cited to a reliable source. You simply stated that these were capabilities of SF -- the section made no mention nor comparison whatsoever of whether Rangers are airborne qualified, have any specialization for insertion, etc. Please see our policy against synthesis -- claims need to be directly sourced, and must not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source nor combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source.

So what we're left with, is me removing a bunch of inappropriate material from the article in accordance with our policies and guidelines; you reverting to add it back in; then further disrupting the article by saying effectively "well, if I can't have my content included, then I'm going to remove a bunch of other perfectly good content." That kind of behavior is unacceptable disruptive editing, and it needs to stop. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 05:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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CW Rebranding

On Logopedia, many CW affiliates rebranded, also, those logos are real and have been does by the affiliates owners or Nexstar. BMarGlines (talk) 23:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@BMarGlines: Logopedia is a wiki which anyone can edit, and it is not a reliable source. As far as I can tell, every single one of those logos was a hand-made replacement from Junebug, not an original. There's simply no evidence to suggest that these are in any way official logos, and there's no evidence to suggest that the actual logos which are still in use on those affiliates websites (which are NOT the ones you've been adding) have changed either. To be honest, it looks quite a bit like a weirdly disruptive attempt to get around our non-free image usage criteria by using near-knockoffs released under free licenses instead of the actual logos (which remain under the claimed copyright of their owners). In any event, as I said, you'll need to provide a reliable source for your changes.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The KOMU-DT3 YouTube video AIRED on the ACTUAL station! BMarGlines (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but it's not an acceptable reliable source, and the actual KOMU-TV website is *not* using that logo. Do not make further unsourced logo changes to logos not actually in use. Per policy, you *must* provide a citation to a reliable source and gain consensus before reinserting this material. If you continue, you may be blocked from further editing for disruption. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 14:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Same with WWTI-DT2 BMarGlines (talk) 15:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

And once again, there is the same problem -- you have not provided a reliable source that shows the logo has changed, and as far as I can tell thus far, literally every single one of those logo changes has been invalid: not just due to being unsourced but in several cases I was able to verify that you were changing the logo *away* from the actual one in use, to one that has no evidence of being in use and appears to be fan-created. You seem to be under the mistaken perception that following Wikipedia policy is optional -- it is not. You are *required* by policy to provide a reliable source for contested material, and you are required to seek and gain consensus before reinserting controversial content. See, e.g. WP:V, WP:RS, WP:BURDEN etc. "Some guy on youtube says this is official" is NOT a reliable source -- and in general the community has determined that Youtube videos are not reliable sources either (see WP:RSPYT). "I got it off Logopedia" is also not a reliable source (as that is a wiki that anyone can edit). And you're presumably already aware that Junebug was taking these fan-made images off of Logopedia, converting their format, and uploading them inappropriately to Commons under incorrect licenses, to then try and replace the *actual* logos on Wikipedia with her fanmade fakes -- a type of vandalism that you're also participating. You've been made aware of what our policies require several times, you've been repeatedly warned, and this is not a subject up for debate -- if you continue to make disruptive edits to television station logos, you're going to be blocked from editing. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I have filed a report over on Commons (c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#User:BMarGlines) and nominated the logos for deletion. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW I suspect this one may have also been in error, as I do not see that logo in use anywhere on the KFDM website, and suspect it's like the others (the file page similarly notes it was inappropriately sourced from Logopedia, which makes it unverifiable as being official in any way).⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

KOMU-DT3's logo on the main KOMU website came from TitanTV BMarGlines (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The logo itself is real, if you want a more reliable source than my YouTube channel, check YouTube TV or Hulu + Live TV's channels by zip codes, that also proves other CW affiliate logos (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMA180guy (talk • contribs)

YouTube channels aren't reliable sources, nor would a single usage on a list indicate a rebranding that would justify changing the logo on the article. And I'm not the one seeking to add the material. There's clearly some weird off-wiki coordination issues going on here, but regardless of whatever is going on with that, y'all are required to follow our policies and guidelines on verifiability and reliable sources. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

It needs to be explained that some stations aired station identifications with the new CW Logo. I'm not saying you're wrong. mer764KCTV5 / Cospaw (He/Him | Talk • Contributions) 17:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That may be the case. And the way we can confirm that is by providing a reliable source to verify that a new CW logo exists. We cannot simply rely on someone's mere assertion that a change happened, and we cannot accept fan-made copies found on wikis as substitutes purporting to be the real thing. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 17:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I do agree with you. I do have an question, some of the CW Plus logos have been updated, (the ones that aren't owned by say, Sinclair or Nexstar, A.K.A. the ones that the website is the one that The CW can provide to its affiliates) .... I think I forgot the question I was going to say. Oops. mer764KCTV5 / Cospaw (He/Him | Talk • Contributions) 18:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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Reliable?

https://issuu.com/burmamilitarysecrets/docs/_207c2042c2f9a0/1|

https://www.rbnr.it/my/prodotto/itagl-00128/

These sources contain a lot of info about organisional structure of RIfle Platoon and RIfle Company. Do you think they're reliable enough to be writen on wiki?

As for interview of the POW, the Colour Sergenat (sometimes called Master Sergeant) in Myanmar tells that a Rifle Company, in practice, only have 50 men in total. You can check it in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1fRaUZl3w he said that around 7:06 The Burmese Editor (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Burmese Editor: The issuu.com one is not reliable enough. As best I can tell, it's just a pdf sharing website, there's no editorial control and per WP:UGC: Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is generally unacceptable. Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal and group blogs (excluding newspaper and magazine blogs), content farms, Internet forums, social media sites, fansites, video and image hosting services, most wikis and other collaboratively created websites. In general that also applies to Youtube -- there is a consensus that it is generally unreliable and should not be allowed as a source WP:RSPYT. I could not get the other site to load, so I don't know what's on it. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 00:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Ohh, got it. I guess those documents are not consdered reliable enough. What of the POW interview? Is that considered reliable enough? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1fRaUZl3w The Burmese Editor (talk) 00:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@The Burmese Editor: unfortunately no. The community has determined by consensus at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#YouTube that YouTube is a generally unreliable source, and with limited exceptions we can't use it. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 219, July 2024

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Tupac Page

The page for Tupac can now be edited by everyone; it wasn't like that before. Previously, only administrators and users with permission could edit it. This rule needs to be reinstated, or it will be edited every day. Pier1999 (talk) 09:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Articles are not generally permanently protected; "it will be edited every day" is perfectly fine. Protection is put into place to deal with intractable behavior issues, not to prevent good-faith editing. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 14:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, all right. However, a lot has happened in these hours Pier1999 (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

ActionHeroesAreReal He came back to edit the page without consent, so Human and I had to edit all the time. So an administrator had to close it to avoid the edit war. And this happened because I had addressed the Wikipedia section on vandalism (the one you suggested to Human). Pier1999 (talk) 14:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

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Beautifully said

At User talk:Σ. And I didn't understand at all the OP's response to my post. I mean *really* - it didn't make any sense. At all. And now that I think of it I bet they used ChatGPT or some AI tool to write that exceedingly wordy and incredibly nonsensical reply... I thought about posting exactly how to adjust the archiving and maybe tell them the editor who instituted the archiving (because I did a search! SO hard y'know) but then I thought Naw they're experienced, they should know this stuff or at least be able to look it up & learn how. - Shearonink (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it was pretty strange. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 16:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

ANI

Thanks for your your comment. I am the instigator of the AN/I thread, although because AN/I is semi-protected, I am not able to post there. Perhaps you could carry the following over, as a response to your question? Thanks. Also pinging @Ravenswing: who redoubled your request. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Well you can read the long WPM thread, especially the more recent part (starting here), but in essence the complaint is about a continuing violation of policies/guidelines on original research and synthesis, and an unwillingness to adjust in the face of criticism or consensus. Outside of the good summaries by CodeTalker and Imaginatorium just above, I think the clearest indication of the latter problem is captured in this comment. In this series of edits [1] [2] [3] you can see Radlrb repeatedly restored WP:SYNTH content after objection (and while the actual edits on the article are just the two of us, you can see from associated discussions that numerous other editors have endorsed my diagnosis, e.g. [4][5]). The problems are quite widespread, as explained e.g. in this message. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 20:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, I've seen your name being frequent when looking so I'll ask you. Do you it's a concidence that BMarGlines (files), Junebug3000 (files) and DMA180guy (files) seem to upload the exact same kind of files, with the exact same filename patterns and also edit the same kind of Wikipedia pages related to radio stations? There is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BMarGlines/Archive which confirmed that BMarGlines and Junebug3000 were unrelated but there is just something that bugs me. They may perhaps all just use the same source and that's why everything is so similar. What do you think? Sockpuppets or just coincidence? FYI BMarGlines is blocked on Commons. Jonteemil (talk) 16:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I think there is some off-site coordination going on, but I'm not sure it's sockpuppetry. DMA180guy has a different mannerism of speaking than BMarGlines and Junebug3000. My suspicion is that they're all involved together from logopedia, but probably separate individuals. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, okay. Then I guess I'll just sit tight I guess. Thanks for your response. Jonteemil (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Check the investigation

Hello there is a another sockpuppet account of a previous user who was blocked weeks ago. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Samirlalas Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Make sure to check out the investigation for this user as this is serious. Thanks. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 20:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Re RIM-161 Standard Missile 3

I expect I'll want to launch an RM on these at some point, but I'll leave it for now. Still too many other balls in the air. But check out some sources, like this one with "standard missile" (about the Rim 66B and 67B, not the 161, though). And lots from the 70s that use "Standard missile" or just "Standard", making it seem that maybe "Standard" is the name [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]; also STANDARD missile. Most of the mentions of RIM-161 and SM-3 don't say standard missile, but the ones that do capitalize it (except this one). It's all very much of a mess. Dicklyon (talk) 04:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The usage in the first source appears to be a general stylization error, as I see it also does not properly capitalize "TOW" (an acronym) and refers to the "Tow missile." It's a transcript of a Congressional hearing, I would not expect it to be accurate in stylization or adherence to naming conventions. The all-caps STANDARD version is similarly apparently an error in stylization (see, a page or so prior, their reference to HARPOON for Harpoon (missile). Obviously nobody's suggesting that all-caps is correct for the capitalization of Harpoon (which is not an acronym) right? Why would we expect it to be different for Standard? These types of sources are frequently in error -- just because they're governmental in nature, or even related to the DOD, doesn't necessarily make them correct or authoritative. Whether "Standard" or "Standard Missile" is the name is debatable and probably worth some deep-dive research (which should have been a discussion *before* moving, as I keep pointing out), but either the all-lowercase version isn't it. Compare similarly with the four missiles that it replaced (RIM-8 Talos, RIM-24 Tartar, RIM-50 Typhon, and RIM-2 Terrier; all obvious proper names, and the RIM-7 Sea Sparrow. We would not think to decapitalize those, it would not make sense. Doesn't make sense here either. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 05:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Paraguayan block evader

Hi Swatjester, you were the admin who recently blocked an IP account for adding Paraguay as a user on various firearm articles with false references, and they've now come back with the account User:Luis crazy L20. I previously reported them to SPI, but at that time they closed without action, and in my report they advised me to take it to AIV if the account continued (which they now have), but I've found AIV to be inconsistent for these kinds of cases, so I figured it'd be best to bring it up here. Thanks, and sorry for the trouble. Loafiewa (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

They seem to have stopped for the moment, and in one instance they removed the IP's addition, so I'll monitor a bit further. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 18:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Multi-Terrain Pattern

Regarding that article, what was the reason for your last edit? Dreddmoto (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

As I explained in my edit summary, per our manual of style, galleries are generally to be avoided, and image captions are generally sentence fragments and not to be ended with closing punctuation. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 20:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

That's a surprise because I had not read that. Would you explain why? That would be informative and appreciated. Thanks. --Dreddmoto (talk) 17:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

It's a fairly long set of information but the relevant guidelines are at WP:GALLERY and MOS:CAPFRAG.

WP:GALLERY says Generally, a gallery or cluster of images should not be added so long as there is space for images to be effectively presented adjacent to text. A gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. As the exceptions do not apply here, they should not be used. Similarly, for captions Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely sentence fragments, which should not end with a period or full stop. In general, most captions should not be complete sentences either for succinctness. Hope that helps. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 20:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC) ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 20:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello I did add a reference/source to my edit.https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3109809/chinas-aircraft-carrier-killer-missiles-successfully-hit-target 158.223.166.78 (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

You added an incorrectly formatted external link to a section that does not take external links, with no indication as to what claim it is supposed to be supporting. That's not adding a reference, that's linkspam. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

annual warrior competition

The sky sword unit is a Chinese special forces unit belonging to the PLAAF Airborne Brigade 158.223.166.78 (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

You need to provide a properly formatted reference for that claim. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 16:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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People will object

With regard to "people will object just to the re-organizing despite what WP:PGCHANGE and WP:PGBOLD say," I'd change "people" to "one person in particular." Can you say Wikipedia:Status quo stonewalling? - Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the number of people who would do this is quite a few, unfortunately. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 18:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Nibbling

Gentle reminder regarding the CW page—I totally get why you might've felt a bit exhausted or frustrated after fixing what was definitely a very rough draft, and the specific issues you pointed out with the article were 100% spot-on. However, maybe the first sentence of your comment could be deleted or withdrawn in line with our policies on encouraging new users? (Focusing just on policy—I don't exactly disagree with how you felt.)

With that said, thank you for all your hard work on improving the article. :) I'd be lying if I said I'd never made the same mistake myself. This is meant as a very gentle reminder, not criticism, given how much exhausting work that must have been.

Good luck, and have a great day! – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 23:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Closed Limelike Curves: you're absolutely right. I felt bad about how I approached it at first, and tried to be more helpful in my subsequent responses, but I should have been less bitey up front about it. Thank you again for the reminder. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries, happens to the best of us after a long day. Take care :)

By the way, since you seem to know what journals are out there for this topic, do you have any recommendations on an intro textbook on military science? My main expertise is economics, so as soon as I saw the article on Lanchester's laws it was like an immediate "Oh, so there is a science here"! I'm very interested in any work on mathematical models. Thanks! – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm probably not much help here, at FSU the department of military science courses were mostly undergraduate level history, strategy, leadership, and tactical courses; things like Lanchesterian modeling were graduate courses in other departments and math was never my strong suit. Maybe Stephen Biddle's Military Power? They started us with Clausewitz for what it's worth and even if that's not quite what you're looking for science-wise, the principles and assumptions therein are the foundation of U.S. military doctrine and dominate our decision-making processes with how embedded they are in field-grade officer culture in ways that can greatly inform modeling and wargaming (von Moltke is probably a close runner-up for level of influence). If wargaming is close enough I do have some recommendations there -- you might want to check out Peter Perla's The Art of Wargaming which is a frequently republished introductory text for wargaming; U.S. Navy Fundamentals of War Gaming from Francis McHugh also covers some modeling; for more historical professional wargaming I'd start with the original Kriegsspiel (avoid the "free" versions like Verdy's, which explicitly reject complex simulation in exchange for subjective umpiring).⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 04:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Heckler & Koch

Hello, you undid my changes on the Heckler & Koch article due to "undue" labeling of them as nazis. Although to you personally perhaps this is a "questionably inaccurate" I have provided numerous sources. If you are not a German speaker and rely on autotranslation tools I therefore recommend you to refrain from undoing such edits, especially if they come with sources like mine did. Heckler & Koch's nazi-past has been well-established and documented by the German media, and given that the engineers were all formal members of the NSDAP *and* personally benefitted from for example the Nazi government's forced labour programme there is absolutely adequate evidence to label them as "Nazis." Before replying, please consult a German speaker on the following articles:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/heckler-koch-das-steht-in-der-studie-zur-ns-vergangenheit-19187618.html

https://www.rnz.de/politik/suedwest_artikel,-Studie-vorgestellt-Nazi-Schatten-auf-Heckler-Koch-_arid,1192784.html

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/suedbaden/heckler-und-koch-ns-vergangenheit-100.html Poundthiswriter (talk) 21:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not how it works. The onus of someone making an extraordinary claim, such as declaring someone as a Nazi, is to *directly* source that claim. In at least one case, your sources do not support that claim that "X was a Nazi" without disallowed synthesis; additionally, you have failed to address the concerns about undue weight in your claims, nor have you even attempted to gain consensus for this edit on the talk page as requested. Before issuing ill-considered demands like this, please consult Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and ensure that you've achieved consensus for your claims. This is particularly egregious, because it doesn't appear you've actually read the sources you're using, two of which openly state in that Seidel was not an active Nazi, and that Koch was "not a committed National Socialist." Thus, your edit appears to be giving undue weight to a view not actually held by your given source. The historian's study that has now been published also shed light on the past of the other founders: Theodor Koch was a sustaining member of the SS, he supported the National Socialist organization financially. However, he was "not a committed National Socialist," said study author Stefanie van de Kerkhof. The researchers also do not see the third founder, Alexius Seidel, as an active Nazi. Thanks. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

This tells me you haven't even so much as read the sources. "Heckler sei Ende 1939 aus Karrieregründen in die NSDAP eingetreten." From the Faz article. You can find his registration at: Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Abt. Staatsarchiv Sigmaringen, Wü 13 T 2 Nr. 2554/155.

I know you wish to personally defend these people because your feelings tell you "x was a nazi" has a lot of weight. But in all objective criteria Edmund Heckler meets the "nazi" label and then some. Do not let your personal sympathies get in the way of objectivity just because you "feel" like it's a big deal to be labeled a nazi. As a registered NSDAP-member Edmund Heckler is a nazi, whether for carreer purposes or not. Similar registration can be found for Koch and Seidel. Poundthiswriter (talk) 21:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Poundthiswriter, be careful; you're crossing a line and I will leave a warning on your talk page. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Poundthiswriter, here is a thing that you can do--beef up the biographies of these men, since two of the three don't have much in it. UNDUE still applies, of course, so be careful in your statements and make sure your sources are up to snuff. Drmies (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

We're done here. Poundthiswriter, do not return to my talk page, and do not continue to make accusations of Nazi-ism that are not supported by reliable sources. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 21:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Once again, I am not making "accusations" of nazism. I was showing you Edmund Heckler's registration as a card-carrying NSDAP member. I do not appreciate the emotional response being taken more seriously by your fellow senior editor and me being threatened by a ban for daring to go against more experienced editors. I have provided numerous sources for my claims, and you have refused to so much as check them, and then proceed to tell me my "accusations" (which are verifiable facts supported by sources) AREN'T supported by reliable sources? I feel like I am talking in circles here but once again you can find Heckler's status as a nazi here:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/heckler-koch-das-steht-in-der-studie-zur-ns-vergangenheit-19187618.html

and again here

Landesarchiv Baden-Württemberg, Abt. Staatsarchiv Sigmaringen, Wü 13 T 2 Nr. 2554/155. Poundthiswriter (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

That article is paywalled, and in any event you did not cite that as a source in either of your edits to the article. In any event, it does not address the problems with the breadth and scope of your claim against the others. The sources you *did* cite quite literally state that one of the people you accused of being a Nazi was not a Nazi, and that a second had only a minimal role. You've made no effort to address the undue weight argument -- which was why you were reverted in the first place. You have made no argument why the article on the H&K corporation benefits from a mistaken accusation of nazism in one case, a misleading accusation of it in another, and a third that's possibly accurate but makes no claims to why that's relevant to the article. You say you do not "appreciate the emotional response" -- I do not appreciate the implications you made, I do not appreciate the bizarre suggestion that I somehow have "personal sympathies" to H&K as a corporation, and I do not appreciate you continuing this discussion on my user talk page (where any utility from the factual discussion will likely go missed by 99.9999% of readers to the Heckler & Koch article) after being asked not to. As you've already been informed when linked to the our core verifiability policy, While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and other policies may indicate that the material is inappropriate. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. You have not sought to do so, and the method you're doing now is not going to get you there. I strongly suggest you stop edit warring and start engaging in constructive discussion -- on this article and elsewhere. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)