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		I am awarding you this Barnstar for all of your time and efforts you are putting into World Series of Rock article. Thanks for your contributions and battling the blizzard to research the topic at the Cleveland Public Library. Nice Job Shawn! Eclectic hippie talk to me 16:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

World Series of Rock 1980

Hello Swinterich,

Thanks for your contributions. Please state your sources concerning the 1980 World Series of Rock? Def Leppard's Cleveland appearance in 1980 was at Public Hall on July 30 with Ted Nugent and Scorpions. It was the called the "On Through The Night Tour". I also believe The World Series Concerts saw an end in 1979 due to a fatal shooting at the AC/DC, Thin Lizzy concert. Please let me know.MM DENE (talk) 06:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your great info Swinterich:)MM DENE (talk) 07:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Shawn, Thanks for deleting Chicago Wikiproject from the WSoR page. That didn't make sense. ...MM DENE (talk) 04:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hey swinterich sorry for changing the Dooly County Wiki entry I was really mad about my expierience there. I decided to change it when I got home (rather then mess up Wikipedia) but you already did! Anyway please don't report me or block me because I like reading Wikipedia. I meant to change it but I've just been working all day.

P.S. - Sorry ahead of time for editing your Wiki Entry I just don't know how else to contact you.

Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.93.252 (talk) 04:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hello swinterich- Why was the image of the 1980 WSoR T-shirt removed? I felt it was relevant, especially with the discussion concerning whether or not there actually was a 1980 concert.

Ullean01 (talk) 09 March 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 16:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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Nice work slogging on this article. That's dedication! --Blehfu (talk) 14:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Response to World Series of Rock

It is not the validity of the sources that I question, although I think you might find they do not meet Wikipedia's standards for references. Rather it the far-reaching and unsupported conclusions that seem to have been drawn from the scant information contained in the sources. There is no question that there was an Aerosmith concert at Comiskey Park on July 10th, 1976 and that there was a fire. However, other than the term "world series of rock" found in personal recollections, there is no indication that this was in fact part of the World Series of Rock presented by Belkin Productions in Cleveland. Further, there is nothing in the sources given that indicates that Belkin moved the series from Cleveland to Chicago. None of the newspaper articles I have found on the Comiskey concert make any mention of "world series of rock." I also searched the Chicago Tribune online archives and found no matches in articles or advertisements for the phrases "world series of rock" or "Belkin Productions" in 1976, and none of the articles I have found in Cleveland area newspapers mention anything about the series being moved to Chicago. Even if Aerosmith's concert in Chicago was billed as a "world series of rock", there is no indication it was one of THE World Series of Rock concerts that are the subject of this article. If Aerosmith's Chicago concert deserves any mention at all in this article, it should only be in reference to the generic or other uses of the term mentioned near the end of the article and details of such concerts (like the fire) would not be relevant to this article.

As for the question of why there were no World Series of Rock concerts in 1976, I think it would be an obvious question to any reader noticing a gap in the year 1976 and is worth mentioning in the article. The answer to that question is that there was indeed going to be a concert on July 11th, 1976 featuring Aerosmith, Todd Rundgren, Jeff Beck and Derringer, and tickets had been on sale since May. However, new turf had been installed at Cleveland Stadium and they were unwilling to allow fans to sit on the grass and Aerosmith would not play without fans on the field. Consequently, the concert was cancelled just a couple weeks before the scheduled date, tickets were refunded and Aerosmith was re-scheduled for the Coliseum on the 28th. This situation had nothing to do with the Aerosmith and Yes concerts in Chicago, which had been announced long before the World Series of Rock was cancelled and were probably Concerts West productions anyway. Piriczki (talk) 21:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

• I went back and checked my sources on this article and found I was mistaken about there being no matches for "world series of rock" in the Chicago Tribune archives. It was the first few articles, such as the April 29, 1976 article announcing Aerosmith's Comiskey concert and a June 20, 1976 covering the upcoming summer concert season, which made no mention of "world series of rock". An advertisement appearing on July 4, 1976 first billed the concerts, sponsored by Windy City Productions, as the World Series of Rock. Perhaps the promoter simply adopted the celebrated name, as others later did. Anyway, this demonstrates that these concerts were scheduled long before the concert in Cleveland was cancelled and that they are unrelated to the WMMS/Belkin World Series of Rock. Piriczki (talk) 16:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree, the scope of the article should not extend beyond the Cleveland Stadium concerts - the original, longest-running and really the only notable World Series of Rock. It looks like 1976 was the first and last attempt at outdoor rock festivals in Chicago (for awhile anyway). Despite the fire it appears they were going ahead with their second planned show on July 31 with Kiss but it was cancelled because it had to end by 8:00pm and Kiss required darkness for its light show. The third concert with Yes was supposed to be Aug. 13 at Comiskey but it was moved to Hawthorne Race Track on Aug. 15, and then they had to go to court because the city of Cicero didn't want the concert there. What a mess. I found one newspaper reference to the 1975 Beach Boys/Chicago show as a World Series of Rock but I'll confirm it anyway. If you haven't tried it yet, the Cleveland Public Library has Scene magazines on microfilm and its a great historical document of the local music scene. About one year's worth fits on a reel so it's pretty easy to find things by browsing with just a general time frame in mind. Piriczki (talk) 20:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Blue Hole

OMG. I went there many times as a kid! That's great! I'll have to read your article to bring back some memories. Hope all is well. Michele aka Eclectic hippie ^{talk to me} 02:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Shawn,

Have you ever been to the Blue Hole? I remember it being very clear but I don't recall it being a vibrant blue. As a kid I thought it was really stupid. Crowds of people standing around and staring into large pond. When you tell a young child that it's bottomless.... Well, I thought I would see Chinese children looking from the other side. I know that sounds ridiculous but I was 5 years old. Once we got there, I was really disappointed. I wish I could find a photo for you from our family travels. It could be a nice addition to your article. Would you be interested in working on Hollenden Hotel article with me? Take care. Have a great holiday and send my regards to Diane. Michele Eclectic hippie ^{talk to me} 16:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sharon Tate

I would suggest, considering this is a featured article, that you bring your concerns about the article up on the talk page so that editors who were involved in building the article to that level have an opportunity to discuss these things. Having said that, the main editor in that effort is away on holiday now.

I would discourage you from going ahead and creating a separate article regarding her death. At 49kb, this article precisely within the guidelines for article length and removing the death material would take the article well below the size for a featured article (perhaps shorten it by 20% or so). I also believe that articles which cover the Tate/La Bianca murders separate from the ones that already exist have been deleted before because they are well-covered already. While I can understand your reservations about the perpetrators, the fact that she was killed in a most notorious case cannot be ignored and it would do a disservice to the case, to the people who worked to keep this article both within context and to reflect what occurred. The case is covered quite concisely between the Charles Manson article, which encompasses the entirety of the dynamics of that group and their actions and this one, which, in my view, was covered with respect regarding Tate, the legacy left by her and its work, as well as her marriage and career, with neutrality and no feeling of "memorial". It approaches the murders with a different viewpoint than the one of Manson's. I'd also mention that the only reason Manson's article hasn't been nominated for featured article is because the editors involved (including myself) objected to the insistence by nomination reviewers that it be cut too much. Biographies for victims are quite often not included here because the victims aren't considered notable beyond their murder. This is one of the exceptions to that rule and I believe it treats the whole subject correctly.

Regarding some of the changes you made, one was the insertion of another quote, which would require that I get the current version of the book to check. I don't really think whether Kasabian was an active participant is relevant, and I'm not sure of the point you're making about it. There are those that argue that Manson wasn't an active participant in Tate's death either, but he's in prison for life anyway. I won't revert the changes you made, although I would have preferred you approach prior to your reversion. However, when he returns from his holiday, Rossrs may well have issues with the change. I am watching the high profile articles he has worked on while he is away to prevent large scale changes, until he can return to address them, although I would comment in passing that I found the sentence "But Atkins refused to cooperate further, so the District Attorney's office withdrew its offer of immunity to Atkins" awkward. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm curious about the parts with which you disagree, in short, anyway. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for checking that. I saw your proposal on the talk page and am writing my response. I'm sure you're aware I'm opposed, and I'm not certain I'm making my reasons very clear. I will also just state there that Rossrs would object, although he's away right now (he's on a month-long holiday to Asia and Europe from the southern hemisphere and this is the middle of the second week of his trip). Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Rock Court

This article which you created is being discussed at WP:ANI due to the alleged owner of the houses making a legal threat. I question the notability of the article in any case. Perhaps you could come to ANI and comment upon it? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 08:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

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We were both editing "She Said She Said". I had done a lot of work on citations and didn't want to lose it. I merged the changes, but I had removed the specific date reference because it wasn't supported by a citation. It looks like you added a citation for it. Please add it back if so. Sorry! — John Cardinal (talk) 03:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ernie Anderson's children.

Hey can you add some more family detail to Ernie Anderson? Especially the names of the children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.189.251.1 (talk) 18:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

World Series of Rock 1979

That's probably mine. I don't know why there are no references but several should be easy to find. I'll add them next week, no time now. Piriczki (talk) 19:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Don't know if you still contribute, but...

We sure could use your help with WikiProject Cleveland. And on a side note, I was about 7 when James Lawler (the serial killer you mentioned that killed Kevin Green) passed through my native South Euclid neighborhood. My mother scared the crap out of me with that same story as well, and the first thing that comes to mind every time I hear the word 'ice pick' is that memory. Needless to say, watching Basic Instinct wasn't the same experience for me as it was for all the Sharon Stone fans out there. Anyway, we really could use the help of a writer like yourself. Thanks. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 08:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

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Kinks Gacy

Do you honestly believe this is a reputable source? I'd GENUINELY love to see a respectable source stating this. Even IF (and I have never even read in any of the numerous books etc. on this case a mention of this supposed incident) Gacy had hosted a Kinks gig. Was the fat guy actually Gacy?--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC) Opened up talk consensus. Regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Kevin Green

I was 4 at the time of Kevin's murder, however we lived on the street next to the woods where he was killed and my family was involved at the school he attended. I actually remember the police office coming to our door asking if we had seen or heard anything. I still have all the newspaper clippings from the time of the murder, but I don't have anything that ever mentioned them finding the murderer. Would love to exchange info as there is absolutely NO information on the internet. Please contact me at dfisher08@students.ndc.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfisher08 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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