Systematizer

I guess this is my talk page. Please keep it free of bullshit. If you disagree with my contributions, please discuss them in the relevant talk page. My intellectual life is too rich and my time is too valuable to be wasted replying to random graffitti.

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Hello, Systematizer, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! Tourskin (talk) 20:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

sUp. I thought it would be appropriate if I welcomed you. As you know, I have a point of view. You are entitled to one too. Have a good day editting. Tourskin (talk) 20:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure you must have learned a great deal and realized your faults. Tourskin (talk) 01:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Tourkin, you should restrict your content comments to the relevant Wikipedia pages. Your opinion about the accuracy of my posts is not relevant for the discussion and smells of vandalism. I warn you against this sort of behavior. Quoting from No Personal Attacks:

"As a matter of polite and effective discourse, comments should not be personalized and should be directed at content and actions rather than people."

Please stick to this rule. I propose to you that we refrain from writing on each other's talk pages and restrict our interactions to the relevant content pages that we both contribute to. Systematizer (talk) 03:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out those excellent quotes. Don't you think I know what Personal attacks are - I am a more experienced user than you! You were the one who were sneaky enough to say "I particularly liked the Neutrality and blah blah". Do not confuse personal attacks with attacks against arguments, which is what I did by saying that you have faults. I can say you have faults an you can say that too. Develop a tough skin because people will criticize you for mistakes you will make in wikipedia just as I have been criticized. I did not say anything personal to you. Vandalism? Why don't you take a look at what vandalism is, because for vandalism to exist, it must have the intent of being vandalism. Finally, everyone has the right to a Bias and an opinion. What they do not have a right to is editing in line with such a Bias. Tourskin (talk) 03:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

No we need not refrain, let us forgive and forget?Tourskin (talk) 03:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC) And I am sincere too, I admire your desire to avert nastiness between us. Tourskin (talk) 03:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude, in case you still don't get it, here's what I object to: Personal attacks ("sneaky"), ab auctoritate fallacies ("I am a more experienced user than you"), attempts to establish truth by repetition ("you have faults" / "your mistakes"). Again, if you got touchy about my complaints about NPOV violations (Talk:Byzantine_Empire#NPOV_violation) you should present your "arguments" there. Farewell, troll. Systematizer (talk) 03:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Those aren't personal attacks. Its called criticism. You have it and so do I. Trolls? A troll is someone who disrupts, which is what you seem to be doing by demanding a change of the article. I am a more experienced user than you. This again is not a personal attack. You know what, I will not give my friendship to you if you think that calling you a less experienced user is insulting. You are too sensitive. You keep throwing crap at me like "Troll" and "personal attacks". You have misused the ab auctoritate fallacy because I am using my experience not as faulty authority to argue a point of view. I am using it to criticize your attempt to teach me the rules of wikipedia, when you have only been registered for a handful of days, and I over a year with plenty of articles single-handedly contributed. You want to see how much of anti-Muslim I am? Why don't you take a look at how anti-Muslim I can be here Byzantine-Seljuk Wars and Byzantine-Ottoman Wars. Instead of throwing terms at me that you don't even know how to use, be civil. Instead of reacting aggressively to criticism, learn from it. Instead of accusing a user of a POV whom you don't know, check out their history of edits, like the above two articles I created and made into Good Article Status. If you will not put this whole thing behind us, then it is best we leave each other alone. Tourskin (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

You've changed the top of the page, no doubt for me. I do not deserve the honor of having someone change their talk page message. At the moment, your arrogance is at the highest peak. You're choking on your pride and using swear words like bullshit. This is not bullshit. This is not graffiti.

I will leave you alone for now, for you seem to have neither the will nor the points to argue with me. I will no doubt see you again in another discussion. Tourskin (talk) 03:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)