TDV1985

Ronnie

Long Beach, 1976

Hi TDV1985 - I saw your edits at Ronnie Peterson and I was suspicious at first - I had no memory of Ronnie driving for Theodore. Some digging seemed to confirm that his car was entered by March Engineering, but then I thought I'd look a bit harder. And voilà! There is a picture of his Theodore-liveried car already available in the Commons. Shan't doubt you again, I suppose.  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:29, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Mr.choppers, thanks for the remark.

Both Peterson's #10 car and Hans-Joachim Stuck's #34 car were sponsored by Teddy Yip for 1976's United States Grand Prix West, although officially entered by March Engineering.

(I shall add a reference to Autocourse 1976-'77 to the Ronnie Peterson page and the 1976 Formula One Season-page.)

Cheers! TDV1985 (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Sponsor names in F1 tables

Hi TDV1985. You may have noticed that I have reverted some of your edits. The convention of the Formula One WikiProject is to not include sponsor names in the "chassis" column of driver results tables, or the "constructor" column of "Teams and drivers" tables. DH85868993 (talk) 09:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi DH85868993, my bad. I understand the conventions on chassis and constructors.

Still, I see some inconsistencies.

For example in the 1974 Formula One Season-page: there is not one mention of the Lotus 72 as 'John Player Special', or the McLaren M23 as 'Texaco-Marlboro', although they're mentioned as such in official entrylists (and the Autocourse 1974-75 Edition).

On the other hand, the Williams FW is referred to as the 'Iso-Marlboro', a sponsored carname par excellence.

There are also some inconsistencies in constructor names in recent years, e.g. 'Racing Point-BWT Mercedes' in 2020 and 'Aston Martin Aramco-Mercedes' in 2022 and 2023.

In theory, Aston Martin is a different constructor in 2021 (Aston Martin-Mercedes) than it is in 2022/2023 (Aston Martin Aramco-Mercedes).

Certainly, this is sheer silliness.

Until the early 90's, naming, team and constructor conventions in F1 were not as strict as they are now (see e.g. the 1973 International Cup for F1 Manufacturers awarded to 'John Player Special' and the Larrousse-Lola dispute after the 1990 season).

Nevertheless, by omitting this kind of (sponsorship) information (Lotus as John Player Special, McLaren as Texaco-Marlboro, Mario Andretti's March 701 as STP Oil Treatment Special, Surtees as Surtees FINA and Tyrrell as Elf Tyrrell, to name a few), we don't give a complete picture.

I suggest therefore an additional column in the 'Drivers and Constructors'/'Teams and Drivers'-table: Car entrant as a means to include this kind of sponsorship information.

What are your thoughts about this?

Cheers! TDV1985 (talk) 11:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree there are inconsistencies, such as those you have listed above. The intention is that sponsor names should be listed in the existing "Entrant" column in the 'Drivers and Constructors'/'Teams and Drivers' tables, so I don't think there's a need for an additional column. But you're welcome to start a discussion at the Formula One WikiProject discussion page. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2023 (UTC)