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Angela 20:02, Oct 3, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi, good work on your new article Exquisite Corpse... except for the fact that someone else already wrote an article at Exquisite corpse. Since you know something of the subject, perhaps you'd be up to merging the two articles together? Have one article at which ever is the more correct capitalization, and make the other into a redirect. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:50, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Addition of navboxes to cigarette brands

Hi, I noticed you've recently added the {{Addiction}} and {{Carcinogen}} navboxes to a lot of articles for cigarette brands. I understand the motivation behind doing that, but per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, navboxes should only be put in articles that are linked on the navbox. I intend to remove the navboxes from those articles; please don't re-add them. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Premeditated Chaos:, go ahead and do that if you want to follow that rule if you must. One could argue that you'd be breaking the wp:Due and undue weight because almost all of those pages are written in a pseudo-NPOV style that is essentially advertising. Without those navboxes, one would have no idea that cigarettes were highly addictive and caused cancer and other diseases. We could perhaps compromise and add a statement about known nicotine content for each brand, and a more general statement on carcinogenicity of cigarettes. It would take me a while to do this, if you agree. THSlone (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I think your standard for what constitutes advertising is out of sync with what the rest of the community would consider advertising. Describing a brand of cigarette in a neutral tone is not advertising, it's Wikipedia's standard approach. Similarly, not including those navboxes doesn't violate due weight. Due weight doesn't require we reiterate the negative health effects of a substance at every possible sub-article related to that text (and in fact you were told as much in the thread at the Teahouse a few weeks ago that's linked above). We have the detailed and highly-referenced article health effects of tobacco for that. If you have reliable sourcing for it, nicotine content per brand is certainly a relevant encyclopedic detail, but including a general statement on carcinogenicity of cigarettes in each brand article is frankly not appropriate for a general purpose encyclopedia. Wikipedia does not exist to right great wrongs in that way. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

You've basically explained the problem with NPOV as applied on WP. A highly addictive product that causes cancer and other diseases can only mention the nicotine content but only if known specifically. THSlone (talk) 05:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way, but we are not an anti-smoking advocacy site, we are an encyclopedia. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

It is factual that these products are addictive and health hazards, not advocacy. You're mistaken. THSlone (talk) 06:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not arguing that cigarettes are not dangerous. They absolutely are, on both counts, no question. But information about the general health effects of smoking tobacco belongs at health effects of tobacco and any of its sub-articles. It would not be encyclopedic or due weight to insert that information repetitively into the text of every single page about cigarette brands, which you were told at the Teahouse thread as well. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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