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Happy editing! Cheers, wizzito | say hello! 17:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sanctuary of Refuge (May 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by The Most Comfortable Chair were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sanctuary of Refuge and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Sanctuary of Refuge, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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— The Most Comfortable Chair 07:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tai Curry! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! — The Most Comfortable Chair 07:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Sanctuary of Refuge

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Sanctuary of Refuge, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:22, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, this is not a promotion article, this article is used for educational purposes only. The individual reporting this article used a biased perspective instead of assisting with editing needs. The individual is now harassing me through this platform. Tai Curry (talk) 13:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Given that we've never interacted before, assuming I'm biased on this is ridiculous. Unlike you, I have an understanding how Wikipedia, a neutral point of view encyclopedia works. Also, please read no personal attacks. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Joseph, I actually was not speaking directly to you, I was attempting to appeal. I apologize if you were offended. I reached out for editing help and guidance in return I did not receive any of that. Next to your name above it states "deleting admin" I assumed appeals were appropriate. The draft article has been deleted and that's fine. The "unlike you" part is the same tone used by another user. I thought this was a place for peers to collaborate not attack, but educate. I wouldn't have reached out for help if I knew this would happen. Tai Curry (talk) 14:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Tai Curry. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Sanctuary of Refuge, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

• avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
• propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
• disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
• avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
• do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Again this is not a promotion, this is a non profit organization in which there are many listed on wiki. I am being directly attacked due to someone individual opinion. Editors should be unbiased. Tai Curry (talk) 13:33, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Paid editing

Hello Tai Curry. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Tai Curry. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Tai Curry|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Theroadislong (talk) 13:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

This is not a paid account or promotion, I am seeking advice from a "team" of editors. I am receiving abuse through this platform whether than editing assistance or professional guidance. This is not how you assist someone in any form. Tai Curry (talk) 13:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

There is no "team of editors"? You have received no abuse, promoting any cause on Wikipedia is simply not allowed. Theroadislong (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

THIS IS NOT A PROMOTION - Do you use the same term for the million of other religious organization listed on wiki. Or, did you see the defition of conversion therapy and run with your opinion? Tai Curry (talk) 13:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

It was nothing but promotion and was speedy deleted as such. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause which says “We do not exist to promote your "brand", and will not tolerate efforts to abuse this project with that goal in mind.” Theroadislong (talk)

Some advice about contributing to Wikipedia

I see that you have not found the start of your editing Wikipedia a good experience. That is very unfortunate, and I have decided to say a few things which I hope may help you.

• None of the messages to you have been based on personal opinions. All of them have been good-faith attempts to help you by explaining to you how your editing relates to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Most people who edit Wikipedia originally start doing so without knowing Wikipedia's policies, and therefore start out doing things which are out of line with those policies. I did so myself, and so I have every sympathy with any other editors who start off finding themselves in conflict with policies that they knew nothing about.
• An important way for new editors to learn about how Wikipedia works, and what is or isn't acceptable under Wikipedia policies, is for more experienced editors to explain the relevant policies to them when they unwittingly do things which aren't in line with those policies. That is what the editors who posted the messages above were doing. None of them were attacking you.
• One very common mistake made by people without experience of editing Wikipedia is to think that "anyone can edit Wikipedia" means that anyone can edit Wikipedia in any way they like, whereas it means that anyone can help to contribute to Wikipedia in accordance with the framework of policies about what Wikipedia is and how it works. One of those policies is that promotion of any kind is not allowed. You say that the draft you created was not promotional, but it was unambiguously written both to publicise an organisation and to present that organisation as beneficial and noble; both of those are aspects of promotion.
• You mention that the organisation in question is "a non profit organization". Perhaps that means that you are making the common assumption that the prohibition on promotion applies only to promotion for commercial gain. It doesn't: it applies to any kind of promotion of anyone or anything.
• None of the messages you have received is in any way connected to "a biased opinion on Christianity". There are many examples of precisely similar advice and information given to new editors making similar mistakes about Wikipedia policies when editing on almost any topic you may be able to think of, unrelated to christianity.
• It looks to me as though the issue of paid editing probably doesn't apply to you, but the guideline on conflict of interest clearly does, so please take care to comply with it.
• My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. Obviously that advice is unlikely to appeal to you if you have no interest in doing any kind of editing other than publicising your organisation, but in that case Wikipedia isn't the right place to do so anyway.

I hope these comments may help to clarify the various matters for you. However, please feel very welcome to ask me for any clarification you may need of any of what I've said.JBW (talk) 14:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I thank you! This was very helpful and encouraging. However, everyone is not like you and I no longer wish to use this platform. Tai Curry (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

June 2022

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Can you please STOP? I do not wish to continue the thread which is triggering notifications. The article was not accepted and you are a complete pain, respectfully. I specifically would like for YOU to stop communicating with me. I have tried to ignore you, but you won't leave me alone. You have taken the context of the article completely out of context and continue to weaponize this platform as some twisted game. Tboz (talk) 22:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph2302 @JBW Are either of you able to intervene? I do not feel safe on this forum and would like it completely removed or my account completely vanished. Tboz (talk) 22:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Since your account is in good standing, you can request a courtesy vanishing - see Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing#How to request a courtesy vanishing. As the page says, this "should only be used when you wish to stop editing forever" - if that's your intent, it's the best way to go. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 12:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

• You can disable notifications in your account Preferences. I'm not sure what has been done to you to make you "not feel safe", but please visit WP:VANISH to learn how to request a vanishing. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived

Hi Tboz! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse, Draft Declined: Sanctuary of Refuge, has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days. You can still read the archived discussion. If you have follow-up questions, please . See also the help page about the archival process. The archival was done by Lowercase sigmabot III, and this notification was delivered by Muninnbot, both automated accounts. You can opt out of future notifications by placing {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}} on top of the current page (your user talk page). Muninnbot (talk) 19:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)