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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
The abuse filter function now has a faster parser. This is to shorten the waiting time when you save an edit. [1]
Problems
- There is a problem in the visual editor when you copy or delete text with footnotes. It will be fixed soon. [2]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 October. It will be on all wikis from 10 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 9 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Community Wishlist Survey has a new format. It will focus on wikis that typically get less support. It will probably go back to the normal format next year. It is not decided exactly how it will work this year. You can leave feedback.
- The URL of the Wikimedia wiki main pages could be changed. This is because the current URLs cause several problems. For example
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Pagewould behttps://www.wikidata.org/instead. You can tell the developers if this would cause problems for your wiki. - There is a new technical community newsletter. You can read more about the work of Wikimedia's technical community. Subscribe to get the information in the future.
- Outreachy is an internship program for groups who are underrepresented in free and open-source software. There are seven Wikimedia projects about coding, documentation and quality assurance in the next round. Persons who fit the criteria can apply. The last day to apply is 5 November.
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15:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Bradley Colburn
Hello, TheSandDoctor. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Bradley Colburn".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.
If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! CptViraj (📧) 16:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: TheRadBrad has been accepted
The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
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‐‐1997kB (talk) 04:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can now use more advanced editing tools on the mobile web. You can turn them on and off in your preferences in the mobile version. [3]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 October. It will be on all wikis from 17 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Internet Explorer 6 and 7 are no longer supported. This means the browsers might start looking a bit weird. They will not get security support. You can't read Wikimedia wikis in Internet Explorer on Windows XP or Windows versions that are older than Windows XP. This is because almost no one uses the browsers anymore. Supporting them made the wikis less secure for everyone else. [4]
- In the future section headings might have a share link. This is to make it easier to link to the section. You can read more and discuss.
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23:55, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – October 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2019).
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Guideline and policy news
- Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which
applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories
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- Following a discussion, a new criterion for speedy category renaming was added: C2F: One eponymous article, which
Technical news
- As previously noted, tighter password requirements for Administrators were put in place last year. Wikipedia should now alert you if your password is less than 10 characters long and thus too short.
Arbitration
- The 2019 CheckUser and Oversight appointment process has begun. The community consultation period will take place October 4th to 10th.
- The arbitration case regarding Fram was closed. While there will be a local RfC
focus[ing] on how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future
, there is currently a global community consultation on partial and temporary office actions in response to the incident. It will be open until October 30th.
Miscellaneous
- The Community Tech team has been working on a system for temporarily watching pages, and welcomes feedback.
Template
Could you please move the changes made in Template:Storm colour/sandbox to Template:Storm colour? NoahTalk 22:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Done. Apologies for the delay @Hurricane Noah:. --TheSandDoctor Talk 04:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
WP:JCW updates?
Been a while since the bot ran on the various page. It would be nice if it resumed doing so. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:55, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- I will try and work on this asap Headbomb. Lot going on at the moment off-wiki unfortunately. --TheSandDoctor Talk 06:19, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Closing dormant sections
I'm not sure that's really needed, and each time you do this for a section that's been inactive for some time already, you're extending the archival time. If you want to signal to other administrators that the thread needs no further attention, just throw an unadorned {{resolved}} at the top (or omit the timestamp). –xenotalk 16:51, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thought I'd replied to this earlier, my apologies. Given that (in most cases in my recollection) only a day or two had passed I didn't see a big deal, but point taken. I'll switch to {{resolved}} or un-timestamped. Thanks for reaching out with the suggestion! Wishing you a wonderful/happy thanksgiving!
--TheSandDoctor Talk 18:49, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Given the edit summaries I revdel'd, a short blocked seemed appropriate nonetheless. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:13, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Ohnoitsjamie: Fair enough/no objections, just thought I'd check that you were aware . --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
I've added all reliable sources about this tv show. Why you declined it ?
I've made this draft from French Wikipedia.
An example of a TV show :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-Lanta — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.92.101.62 (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I am not sure what draft you are referring to? Your contributions do not show any edits to any drafts and Draft:Ninja Warrior le Parcours des héros does not appear to have ever existed (nor does its English translation: Draft:Ninja Warrior The Heroes Journey). Without knowing which draft you are referring to, I unfortunately cannot answer that question. I review a lot of drafts and, unfortunately, there is no way for me to currently figure out which one you are referring to based on the information I have at hand. If you are able to provide more information (preferably the draft's title or a direct link), I can certainly answer you. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Draft:Ninja Warrior : Le Parcours des héros. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jonesey95. At the time they had not edited it.
- 41.92.101.62: I can now answer your question. The difference between Draft:Ninja Warrior : Le Parcours des héros and Koh-Lanta is the amount of references present. Without independent and reliable references, notability cannot be demonstrated. I have gone ahead and added a reference from Variety which mentions the show. With that, the draft is closer. The main issue that I see at this point preventing its acceptance is the fact that the vast majority of the draft is currently unsupported by sources (in-line or otherwise). I would urge you to take a look at this guide to writing an article and this guide to referencing. Just because something is acceptable on the French Wikipedia doesn't mean that it is up to the standard required of the English Wikipedia. Anecdotally, I have found and been told that the French edition's standards for inclusion tend to be a lower. Standards vary between editions, the English Wikipedia just happens to have one of the highest.
- To aid you in improving the draft, I have tagged several statements that need sourcing in-line to support them. Just look for where [citation needed] shows in the draft (it shows after the sentences or chunks that need support). I hope that this helps. If you have any questions, please do let me know. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:04, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- Draft:Ninja Warrior : Le Parcours des héros. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019
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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.
Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!
Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team would value your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.
Talk Pages
The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.
The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.
Mobile visual editor
The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.
- On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
- There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
- Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.
- In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
- One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
- New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
- Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
- Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.
Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.
Looking ahead
- Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes. The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
- Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
- Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November. This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.
– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks and a question
Hello and thanks for your feedback on my article submission.
This is my first attempt and I'm a bit overwhelmed with the process.
Can you give me more specifics on which parts of the article need revisions? It's at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ajobryan/sandbox
I just don't want to delete or change something that was ok and really would like to expedite the process if possible.
Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajobryan (talk • contribs) 12:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hello, Ajobryan! I am certainly happy to help! This can indeed be a bit overwhelming at first. It happens to all of us when we start editing (in 2017 I was in the same boat). "Notability" is a hard concept to grasp at first and truly does come with time. I will give you a breakdown of the sources (references) currently within the draft and am happy to answer any questions you may have. I would also recommend checking out this guide to creating your first article and this one to learn about sourcing. Another useful thing is to learn from other related articles. Help improve existing ones by adding more sources, fixing spelling/grammar mistakes, etc. You can learn a lot about how an article is written by doing that.
- Another great resource may be completing The Wikipedia Adventure. It is a great interactive tutorial on editing and improving articles.
- https://sallyhelgesen.com - her own website. This does not help towards notability as it is what is called a primary source, but can be used to backup factual statements in an article (such as date of birth and full name)
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallyhelgesen/ - social media (linkedin is considered one) is a primary source, but should not be used whenever possible. As a general "rule of thumb", it is best to avoid using social media in writing an article. They can be used in some limited circumstances, as outlined here, but do not contribute towards notability.
- penguinrandomhouse - this not an independent source. It is used to support the claim that The Female Advantage: Women’s Ways of Leadership "became a best-seller, was translated into 12 languages and has been continuously in print for nearly 30 years". I do not see this anywhere on the linked webpage? Where is this stated?
- https://sallyhelgesen.com/sallysbooks/web-of-inclusion/ - same as #1, does not contribute to notability
- How Women Rise - same as #1. This is used to support the claim that the book How Women Rise "became an international best-seller and has been translated into 15 languages". This is a claim that should really have secondary sources to attribute it to. As an example, I could claim to be an expert on every Wikipedia article on my website, but if there are no secondary sources to back that up, it shouldn't be written as fact (even if you've seen my knowledge first hand). By all means it could be written as "TheSandDoctor claims to be an expert on every Wikipedia article", just not "TheSandDoctor is an expert on every Wikipedia article."
- There is a second problem with this source. Similarly to Pengiunrandomhouse above, the link at current does not claim that the book is an international best-seller translated into 15 languages.
- https://sallyhelgesen.com/womens-leadership-speaker/ - same as #1. This is used to backup the claim that "She has also consulted with the UN on building more inclusive country offices and been Visiting Scholar at a number of schools and universities, ..." If she has been a consultant for the UN and a visiting scholar at a number of universities and other academic institutions, surely there must be a secondary (non-primary) source which mentions this? Additionally, none of the linked blog posts on that page mention the United Nations?
- https://globalgurus.org/best-leadership-speakers/ - this page won't load for me for some reason, so I cannot comment on it at this time.
- https://meeco-institute.org/thought-leaders/awardees/ - appears to be an OK source in this instance, which indeed confirms that the MEECO institute did in fact give her an award for "Cultural Transformation"
- https://womensforumny.org/members/ this is used to support "member of the New York and International Women’s Forums." The reference is specific to the New York Women's Forum, so I have moved it closer for you. However, neither https://womensforumny.org/members/ nor the International Women’s Forum websites appear to have any mention of Sally Helgesen?
- https://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celebritytalentbios/Sally+Helgesen/4150 - this is her listing with a talent agency. This is another primary source which does not contribute towards notability. It can, however, be used to say that she lives in Chatham, New York. However, I noticed that it does not mention her husband (or even that she is married) yet is used to say her husband is Bart Gulley?
- Of the above sources and the article, if you can find secondary sources to support the claim that some of her books are best-sellers, it may contribute towards passing the author notability guideline. Do any independent book reviews exist to your knowledge? If so, could you link to some?
- https://www.strategy-business.com/article/How-Women-Can-Succeed-by-Rethinking-Old-Habits - appears to be a book excerpt and is written (in part) by Sally herself. That makes this a primary source.
- Forbes - this is a great find! It is the best source you have so far. Perhaps you could work this source into the draft itself instead of just having it at the bottom?
- Google books - interesting. How would you work this in? What does it support?
- Business Management Daily] - I can't read this in full as it is behind a paywall. It seems interesting, but also of lower quality than Forbes.
- Parade.com - interesting source
- Of all these sources, Forbes is by far the strongest. If they exist, I would encourage you to find more in publications like Forbes. If you could find sources not written by her which show that she is a member of the New York and International Women’s Forum, that would also go a long way. I realize that this too is a lot to process, so please take your time. If you have any questions, please let me know. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello.
After going through all the guides provided by you and Wikipedia articles on similar authors, I have made major changes to my article.
Can you take another look and see if everything is alright now? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajobryan (talk • contribs) 08:19, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The API sandbox and help pages now show more clearly when API modules are marked as
internal. API modules marked as internal were probably internal before. It was easier to miss. You should look for non-internal alternatives. [5]
Problems
- There is a translation tool we use on wikis with more than one language. For a few days it did not create pages for new languages when someone translated a page. The languages did not show in the language bar. This has been fixed. [6]
- The history and diffs can show wrong content. This is because of a cache problem. It will soon be fixed. [7]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 October. It will be on all wikis from 24 October (calendar).
- Reference Previews will be a beta feature on all Wikipedias and some Wikivoyages. It shows you a preview of the footnote when you hover over or click on the number. It has been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 October. See how to join.
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14:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
- Mobile users now have a specific design for their Watchlist. [8][9]
- You can share feedback and ideas on the Desktop Improvements project. The goal is to make the interface easier to use for readers and editors without removing any functionality. The Foundation's Readers Web team will work on this over the next two years.
- OOUI now allows using
px(pixels) instead ofem(em) for some specific cases. [10][11]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 October. It will be on all wikis from 31 October (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- There will be no software changes from 19 December to 2 January. The first MediaWiki version next year will come the week of 6 January. [12]
- Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015, this information was moved from global variables named
wg*tomw.config. The old global variables will be removed later this year. You can know more about it and tell the developers if you want to try this out on your wiki first.
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16:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Request for help/approval in regard to third-party sources
Dear User:TheSandDoctor,
Recently the Draft:AXS_GUARD draft was declined, due to missing third-party reliable sources. In an attempt to enhance the draft to meet up the sources expectations, I added two additional references. Before I republish the draft for approval, I would like to verify that indeed they are as expected (reliable third-party sources). It consists of an online magazine, named Computable, that inquired another company (Smart Profile) to conduct a survey of the market share of different firewall vendors in the Belgian market. The results show that AXS GUARD is in the top 10 of hardware firewall appliances, and thus an established brand. They conduct the same survey every year, so I mentioned the two articles: last year and this year. As to my understanding, these should categorize as third party reliable sources, as the survey was not conducted/influenced by our company in any way. The articles are recurring and not commissioned by our company. If it would be possible to take a look and provide some feedback, that would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards. Gebruiker tvb (talk) 16:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hello, Gebruiker tvb. Those would indeed be considered third-party (tertiary) sources. However, the draft still does not satisfy the requirement for "significant" coverage. Merely placing in the top 10 of a survey by an online website/magazine does not constitute enough coverage.
- I also noticed that you mentioned "our company" twice. Am I correct to assume that you work for the company? --TheSandDoctor Talk 17:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the interest and the feedback. Indeed I am working for the company that is producing the AXS GUARD product - it should be mentioned on my user page? I understand the additional sources only prove that the product is an established brand in a market. So there is still to prove that we are actually linux based, use open source software and are doing layer 8 network filtering? I hope that the link to our website is good enough to believe that we are making hardware and virtual UTM appliances, and likewise for the article about DIGIPASS technology integration - although they primary/secondary sources. The primary reason for creating this page is to be mentioned on the Comparison_of_firewalls in the list of firewall appliances, and to give an insight as to what open source software packages we are actually using (also on the same page), much like pfSense on which the initial draft was based. Our product is quite similar to pfSense, yet the sales model is different - we use a network of (local) resellers, as well as the support service (we stand very close to our end customers).Gebruiker tvb (talk) 09:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC)