The Cleaning Laddy

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Kieran207 talk 02:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of OutThere (magazine) for deletion

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CUPIDICAE💕 20:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I'd also like to give you a warning about canvassing other editors as well as personal attacks as you've done here. I would advise you to thoroughly read those policies before continuing to edit. You also cannot ask other editors to vote a certain way in discussions. CUPIDICAE💕 22:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

PraxidicaeAs discussed, I agreed and I have publically apologised and recounted. Not asking anyone to vote in a particular way, but for those who approved the article to discuss the debate. I have stated my case above, and I do understand your point. The Cleaning Laddy (talk) 22:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

You cannot canvas, even so. Please read WP:CANVAS again and preferably revert yourself on the talk pages where you engaged in canvassing. Asking everyone who ever edited the article you started is canvassing. CUPIDICAE💕 22:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Understood, learning as I go. I will revert. The Cleaning Laddy (talk) 22:32, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Did you really join Wikipedia just few weeks ago? You are off to a good start, and I hope you don't find it too frustrating (the AfD can be off putting, to say the least). WP:GNG is a very important policy to understand, as it safeguards Wikipedia from spam and like. But nothing is white and black and topics that fall close to the borderline can elicit lots of emotions, as often they are created in good faith, and people get upset that their attempts to help are rejected (deleted). Keep up the good job, and let me know if I can offer assistance (I have years of experience with Wikipedia and notability policies). Cheers, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Thank you. I'm a retired sub-editor, so it seems I'm not so great at new articles over the line, but I

am better at backing them up! haha. I got frustrated to start with, as feedback always seemed very short (and I prefer discussions) but once I put that aside and got into it more, things are better. There's just SO much guidance to read, though it's overwhelming. But now I think I'm going to focus on one subject area (the media) and try to become more clued up on the guidance around it. Thanks for the encouragement. The Cleaning Laddy (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Magazine title moves

Hi -- would you mind holding off on these magazine title moves and discussing them? As far as I can tell, at least some of them are in error -- there's no requirement to add a "(magazine)" disambiguator if there is no similar other article. Pinging Good Olfactory, who has reversed at least one of them. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please stop moving these and use WP:RM if you think a move is appropriate. In my opinion most of these are inappropriate and not in line with naming guidelines. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:53, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mike Christie:@Good Olfactory: sure, no problem and sorry. I was just reading in the wiki project : magazines group that if there’s an ambiguation, I should. Maybe too hasty. I will review everything again now. The Cleaning Laddy (talk) 22:58, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

No problem; hard to get familiar with all the rules quickly. Thanks for stopping. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:21, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Some of the moves were appropriate, and I have left those alone. I have reversed the ones that I think were not. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Good Olfactory: Thank you! Rereading guidance and will def use WP:RM The Cleaning Laddy (talk) 08:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there is no need, i.e. it is unnecessary, against policy, and frankly (if you don't mind my speaking plainly) undesirable to add "(magazine)", "(journal)" etc when there is no requirement for disambiguation. "Yoga Journal", now would that be a kind of washing soap or could it be a publication, hmm? Let's keep things plain and simple. Disambiguation is always an additional step and an inconvenience; this price is only worth paying when the confusion that exists with certain names is greater than the inherent inconvenience. In other words, disambiguation comes with a cost, which should be avoided whenever possible. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:24, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap:Yes, got it now – sorry, I got confused and maybe a little trigger happy. I've now got it, the only time Yoga journal would need a disambiguation would be if 1) There is another Yoga Journal, say it's a UK version, then the disambiguation would be (UK magazine) and this would be (US magazine) or; 2)If someone wrote an entry about a yoga journal (ie a diary you keep to keep up to date on your yoga). And in such cases where there could be debate in the future, I will use WP:RM. Thank you for commenting. The Cleaning Laddy (talk) 09:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)