Theageofchaos

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Hi there

Welcome to wikipedia, hope you're enjoying editing! Since you're a newbie, I thought I'd point out a few important things:

• You have clearly got the knack of citing sources in your articles, but you should be aware that wikipedia has a policy on what sources are considered reliable. Only reliable sources are appropriate for use in wikipedia.

• Some sources contain potentially unsafe material, such as wikis or other websites whose content is created by users and not uniformly moderated or verified (such as youtube, or c64.org which you used in one of your articles).
• Also, sources which are published by the subject of the article, or are otherwise closely connected to the subject, are inappropriate for most usages. See WP:SELFPUB.

• Whilst a short list of relevant external links at the bottom of an article is appropriate, adding external links to the body of an article is generally discouraged. Please see WP:EL.

Hope this is informative. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. Regards Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 19:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Xentax Foundation

Hello again. I've made some fairly major changes to the article you created so that it complies with wikipedia policies and guidelines (such as the ones I mentioned above). I hope you understand. Like I said, if you have any questions, get in touch. Regards Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 20:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Reply

I see the point! It is an interesting matter, as the message concerning date and such is contained in 8-bit software. http://razorpoint.pl/c64/x/Xentax/ is another source for example, but I do believe the CSDb is the closest that comes to an actual database of this 8-bit software, and is maintained by its community. There is another post that dates 1989: http://www.xentax.com/?m=200905. Or perhaps http://www.zuurman.net/introduce What if the text on the page is rewritten in a way that leaves open the option that it may not be completely accurate? Such as terminology like : ", as suggested by an entry in CSDb" or something similar. Would that be acceptable? Theageofchaos (talk) 07:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

It's in interesting idea, but unfortunately wikipedia's manual of style discourage the use of expressions of doubt. Personally, I think you should discount the company's official website and c64.org as sources of information, and look for something else instead. Think of it this way; if someone has posted a piece of information on c64.org, then they must have found that information somewhere else. Try and find where they originally found it, and that might be reliable? Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 12:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I see the difficulty there. I noticed that this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene does refer to CSDb as well, and that a lot of dates are not cited. If I would have to guess where software posted at CSDb was originally found, it is on 5 1/4 floppy disks of the Commodore 64. During those days people exchanged their products and creations via normal mail on floppies, and later on via modem. There was no internet. The source then in such a case, is a floppy disk, with a program on it that is dated to a certain year/month. That will be difficult to refer to. :( Theageofchaos (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. It's possible that the content itself is not notable. In order for notability to be established, the information must be discussed in reliable third-party sources (see WP:Notability). If it's impossible to find the information in appropriate sources, it's probably best to leave it out altogether until it can be properly sources. You're probably right about that other article citing c64.org; unfortunately wikipedia does contain some bad articles along with the good ones! Let's try and make this article a good one by following the guidelines. Is there anything I can do to help? Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 13:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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Hello! Theageofchaos, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Sarah (talk) 14:10, 16 June 2012 (UTC)